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did anyone know Danielson is one quarter eskimo

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lost 9kilos according to Univ. Sports television coverage here in New York City.

so he put on 5kgs in the Giro, and now he has lost 9 kgs? Wow. Prototypical yoyo dieter.

Tom "eskimo" Danielson, or Oprah Winfrey?

you tell me
 
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RHitaliano:



so he put on 5kgs in the Giro, and now he has lost 9 kgs? Wow. Prototypical yoyo dieter.

Tom "eskimo" Danielson, or Oprah Winfrey?

you tell me


Since I am great DPF scientist who needs to calculate in moderation, I will have to think about this great problem without formula.

I think he must be on laxatif.

RHitaliano is actually sad because his favorite cyclist Denis Blood doping Menchov great Red Ruskie doper did not ride the viewelta.
 
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that was what JV estimated Wiggins' component in the 90 million. Or the 70 million, however much value they achieved.

Point is, his publicity component is fungible, if you can grab an equivalent substitute. And I posit there are substitutes, so JV's formula is flawed.

I am just saying that his thinking is flawed becaused he cannot get anywhere near the value he is claiming from his sponsors. If the team was truly getting $90M worth of media exposure then Vaughters should be able to go to sponsors and sell them a two for one deal. He should be able to tell a company that instead of spending $90M on advertising and PR, give Slipstream $45M and get that $90M for half price.
 
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I am just saying that his thinking is flawed becaused he cannot get anywhere near the value he is claiming from his sponsors. If the team was truly getting $90M worth of media exposure then Vaughters should be able to go to sponsors and sell them a two for one deal. He should be able to tell a company that instead of spending $90M on advertising and PR, give Slipstream $45M and get that $90M for half price.
but you need a good fit, a good correlation with the sport.

You can arbitrage your media buy with cycling, but how potent will it be, can it communicate your message? It is brand recognation, and does that reasonable well. Motorola achieved a good business result.

But in terms of moving product, cycling cannot move direct product. Better to spend 10 million on a 60 second SuperBowl commercial for Garmin, and introduce your product, and what it will do.

Cycling is good for brand recognition. Mediocre as a retail driver.
 
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No more worries about his doping program anymore. He's pulled out because he is sick.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/danielson-out-of-vuelta

Does thid change the point of view about Tom Danielson of some of the forists here in the Clinic?

Well, my opinion of Danielson has been that he has a pretty weak constitution for a pro cyclist. Perhaps a misperception, but he seems to always be getting sick, to have a parasite, or, well, something! Either that, or the evil Spanish tainted his food - beware of the wrath of the maize!
 
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Well, my opinion of Danielson has been that he has a pretty weak constitution for a pro cyclist. Perhaps a misperception, but he seems to always be getting sick, to have a parasite, or, well, something! Either that, or the evil Spanish tainted his food - beware of the wrath of the maize!

I don't know how they have an immune system left at all after three weeks. I'm surprised more of them don't fail to make it to the end to be honest.
 
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I don't know how they have an immune system left at all after three weeks. I'm surprised more of them don't fail to make it to the end to be honest.

Aren't you a close relative of the guy who was claiming that Armstrongs hematocrit increased during the tour due to the benefit of altitude training during the mountain stages. That hardly seems compatible with this post.
 
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Aren't you a close relative of the guy who was claiming that Armstrongs hematocrit increased during the tour due to the benefit of altitude training during the mountain stages. That hardly seems compatible with this post.

That's a good point. Well played. :eek:

But I suppose my point is the top GC men are made of different stuff to normal guys - which surprises me.
 
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Be more specific.
So which one is it? You can't have it both ways. Hematocrit going down or going up?

I think mine would go down, if that's what you're asking. Amazingly though, some of these GC guys seem to get better as the tour goes on. Remember Contador at last year's Giro? He came off the beach and was really huffing and puffing in the first week, but then rode himself into form and won it! Most people just can't do that, even other pro-cyclists, so I think people like Contador and Armstrong are rare beasts.
 
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That's a good point. Well played. :eek:

But I suppose my point is the top GC men are made of different stuff to normal guys - which surprises me.

Not in terms of physiologically impossible increases in their blood profile. :eek:
 
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It looks like Danielson may not be in that group, but he still has time. What role the mental approach plays in regulating the physical form is something that greatly interests me.

Quite apart from cycling, we know that our mental approach can directly effect our health. If you're depressed then this itself can lower your immune system. Some women can bring on irritable bowel syndrome when she get depression, likewise man can effect their testosterone levels. It's a fascinating area. Maybe the top GC guys have tapped into an area of the brain that has greater control over their own physiology than most people.
 
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It looks like Danielson may not be in that group, but he still has time. What role the mental approach plays in regulating the physical form is something that greatly interests me.

Quite apart from cycling, we know that our mental approach can directly effect our health. If you're depressed then this itself can lower your immune system. Some women can bring on irritable bowel syndrome when she get depression, likewise man can effect their testosterone levels. It's a fascinating area. Maybe the top GC guys have tapped into an area of the brain that has greater control over their own physiology than most people.

Sounds like one troll has been reading a bit too much scientology literature.
 
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BroDeal said:
Sounds like one troll has been reading a bit too much scientology literature.
Isn't it amazing? Those top GC guys have so much control over their bodies, that after three weeks of racing, they can make it look like they've pumped themselves full of drugs!
 
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BroDeal said:
Sounds like one troll has been reading a bit too much scientology literature.

Not really. It's pretty common knowledge that your state of mind can effect your health. Two people can have the same diet and be doing the same job/activity, but if one of them is really stressed then this can bring on all types of health problems.
 
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Isn't it amazing? Those top GC guys have so much control over their bodies, that after three weeks of racing, they can make it look like they've pumped themselves full of drugs!

They must watch a bunch of Cheech and Chong movies.

"Here here, take these......no no wait a minute man, don't take those..."
 
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It looks like Danielson may not be in that group, but he still has time. What role the mental approach plays in regulating the physical form is something that greatly interests me.

Quite apart from cycling, we know that our mental approach can directly effect our health. If you're depressed then this itself can lower your immune system. Some women can bring on irritable bowel syndrome when she get depression, likewise man can effect their testosterone levels. It's a fascinating area. Maybe the top GC guys have tapped into an area of the brain that has greater control over their own physiology than most people.

A definitive causal relationship between depression and lowered testosterone levels? This is great news!!!!!
 
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My opinion on Tommy D is that his comeback should have been taking some more serious smaller steps before leaping straight at a Grand Tour. Fair enough he had a crack at Burgos but I'd like to see him try and have a serious crack at Paris Nice or Tirreno next season (not just thinking of them as training but as THE goal).
 
rolfrae said:
My opinion on Tommy D is that his comeback should have been taking some more serious smaller steps before leaping straight at a Grand Tour. Fair enough he had a crack at Burgos but I'd like to see him try and have a serious crack at Paris Nice or Tirreno next season (not just thinking of them as training but as THE goal).

He should just pass on being a top GT threat, 'cause it ain't gonna happen. Something will happen and he will break down.