Dopers and an * after their name..

[Benotti69]

I think it is time that when a rider's name is type on the forum an * automatically (if possible) pops after his/her name. Bit tired of reading outside the clinic of riders being, e.g. in the best climber thread when we all know their ability to climb cols in the TdF was down epo and a whole list of other substances. It does mean a lot of riders will have the * after their name but lets call a spade a spade!

 

[zapata]

Who would you allow to be mentioned without an asterisk?

 

[Cal_Joe]

Who would you allow to be mentioned without an asterisk?

Seems like sooner or later every rider is mentioned in the clinic, so based on that every rider would have an asterisk. Let's save the admins some time and just pretend there is an asterisk after every mention of every rider.

OP - did you mean for this thread to be taken seriously?

 

[Benotti69]

Who would you allow to be mentioned without an asterisk?

those who have admitted doping, those with a positive test or are under investigation for doping or have failed a test but got off in extremely doubtful circumstances would have an asterix

failed a test but got off; i give you the example of Delgado failed a test in the TdF for a masking agent that was banned by the IOC but was not by the UCI which planned to ban it that same August.

if it turns out that nearly every rider talked about has an asterix, reverse the system and those with no related doping has an asterix.

 

[Benotti69]

Seems like sooner or later every rider is mentioned in the clinic, so based on that every rider would have an asterisk. Let's save the admins some time and just pretend there is an asterisk after every mention of every rider.

OP - did you mean for this thread to be taken seriously?

Yep, but it is not based on a rider being discussed in the clinic.

 

[Cal_Joe]

those who have admitted doping, those with a positive test or are under investigation for doping or have failed a test but got off in extremely doubtful circumstances would have an asterix

failed a test but got off; i give you the example of Delgado failed a test in the TdF for a masking agent that was banned by the IOC but was not by the UCI which planned to ban it that same August.

if it turns out that nearly every rider talked about has an asterix, reverse the system and those with no related doping has an asterix.

Well, the bolded bit still leaves things open to judgement calls. In any event, modifying the forum software (based on my experience) is a no go for several reasons. First, it would add an expensive and complex layer to the forum. Second - who is going to come up with the list of names for even one rider?

For example, if Lance Armstrong were to have an asterisk by his name, the database table would have to include:

Lance Armstrong
Lance
Armstrong
Pharmstrong
Wonderboy
LA
Etc.

The same would also be an issue for Alberto Contador - he too seems to have a plethora of nicknames.

Maybe I am way off base and the forum mods/admins would jump at the chance to implement this.

 

[usedtobefast]

come on this is bike racing...

 

[pmcg76]

Guys without an asterik would include

Cobo
Froome
Wiggins
Gilbert
Cancellara
Horner
Rodriguez
Bartoli
Bettini
Indurain
Rominger
Tonkov
Bugno(Failed a test for caffeine later withdrawn from banned list)

Anyone see a problem yet

 

[ElChingon]

Well the confessions thread would be an easy start

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15143

 

[Fergoose]

Obviously, I'd be all in favour of such a thing as it is very difficult to keep track of things and commentators rarely allude to the fact you are watching someone who has returned from a suspension.

It's an unusual about face by you Benotti given your stance in this thread where you seemed resigned that every team was filled with cheats and that even those like Sastre should be regarded as little different from a proven cheat!

As an outsider looking in I can only recommend if a thread is particular importance to someone and they feel the discussion is rendered utterly meaningless because folk are quoting proven cheaters as "great climbers" then why not create a shadow thread within The Clinic? An alternative would be to a shadow thread within the main section entitled "Great Climbers (who haven't tested positive or served a suspension)".

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

A better idea is that all thread titles should have the word "only" automatically attached to the end so the moderators donot constantly confuse people by changing thread titles.

 

[Benotti69]

It's an unusual about face by you Benotti given your stance in this thread where you seemed resigned that every team was filled with cheats and that even those like Sastre should be regarded as little different from a proven cheat!

stalking?

I think anyone who has rode for Bruyneel, Saiz, Gianetti, Riis and other doping directors definitely deserve a * after their name. Why? they have or are riding for a doping director. simples.

no about face and in the clinic it is a separate issue or not relevant as riders doping is discussed their whereas other areas of the forum seems to take a stance of riders been clean.

i am referring to the pro racing section where people constantly post about riders who all intrinsically linked to doping and comparing their PED feats as some the greatest performances in the sport, which they were, but due to enhancement, hence the idea of the * after names.

 

[Benotti69]

A better idea is that all thread titles should have the word "only" automatically attached to the end so the moderators do constantly confuse people by changing thread titles.

deserves its own thread

 

[Cal_Joe]

Just to keep track of the criteria you are proposing (not that I think this would ever happen), an asterisk would be imposed on:

those who have admitted doping, those with a positive test or are under investigation for doping or have failed a test but got off in extremely doubtful circumstances

anyone who has rode for Bruyneel, Saiz, Gianetti, Riis and other doping directors

riders who [are] intrinsically linked to doping

Which I think bring us full circle to the second post in this thread -

Who would you allow to be mentioned without an asterisk?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I know this is radical but how about having a forum where you discuss feats like "the Greatest Climber in history" without doping and then maybe the Mods could have a different thread (or perhaps different forum altogether) where people could talk about doping - they could call it the Hospital or the ER or something.

 

[Christian]

David Moncoutié should have an asterisk behind his name and everyone else shouldn't, much faster and easier that way

 

[Dr. Maserati]

David Moncoutié * should have an asterisk behind his name and everyone else shouldn't, much faster and easier that way

Fixed that for you.

 

[Benotti69]

It seems that some people are quite happy to go into the clinic discuss doping in the sport and then off to other parts of the forum and discuss the sport and its riders as if doping doesn't exist!

I think that at least those who have been caught and received sanctions should have an * , the likes of Pantani, Vino, Ullrich, Basso, Coppi, Anquetil, Merckx, Di Luca, Simoni, Rebellin, Valverde etc...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It seems that some people are quite happy to go into the clinic discuss doping in the sport and then off to other parts of the forum and discuss the sport and its riders as if doping doesn't exist!

You could be on to something there - is it because in one section you are allowed talk about doping and in the other you are not?

I think that at least those who have been caught and received sanctions should have an * , the likes of Pantani, Vino, Ullrich, Basso, Coppi, Anquetil, Merckx, Di Luca, Simoni, Rebellin, Valverde etc...

Pantani wasn't 'caught' (poor lad just had a reaction to altitude) and Simoni was cleared.
Maybe you need an asterix after the asterix?

 

[Benotti69]

You could be on to something there - is it because in one section you are allowed talk about doping and in the other you are not?

It does make it difficult reading sometimes in the road racing section

Pantani wasn't 'caught' (poor lad just had a reaction to altitude) and Simoni was cleared.
Maybe you need an asterix after the asterix?

Pantani had recorded a hematocrit level of 60.1%, i think we can consider that doping and his rest a ban as he didn't race for the rest of the year.

i am suggesting the * to bring some kind of honesty in to he discussions in the road racing section without the discussions that belong in the clinic getting brought up and derailing threads but at least everyone will know and not be able to pretend it does not exist.

Simoni's guilt is in my mind without question, but i'l leave it to the forum admin to decide if they so wish to add the * or continue ignoring the obvious.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It does make it difficult reading sometimes in the road racing section

Why, because someone actually talks bout Road Racing in the Road Racing section? If you can't figure it out than don't visit it.

Pantani had recorded a hematocrit level of 60.1%, i think we can consider that doping and his rest a ban as he didn't race for the rest of the year.

Can 'we'?
So you want to include people that YOU consider doping - and ignore actual tests.

i am suggesting the * to bring some kind of honesty in to he discussions in the road racing section without the discussions that belong in the clinic getting brought up and derailing threads but at least everyone will know and not be able to pretend it does not exist.

You mean your honesty, right?

Simoni's guilt is in my mind without question, but i'l leave it to the forum admin to decide if they so wish to add the * or continue ignoring the obvious.

"In your mind" - so again you wish for the Mods/CN and us the users to accept your standard.

Then why not just start your own wonderful forum? You wouldn't even need asterix.

 

[Benotti69]

Why, because someone actually talks bout Road Racing in the Road Racing section? If you can't figure it out than don't visit it.

i dont think doping has a place in road racing but i am not gonna hide my head where the sun doesn't shine and pretend i am not watching enhanced performances.

Can 'we'?
So you want to include people that YOU consider doping - and ignore actual tests.

well i'll call a spade a spade when i see it. If you want to be part of the charade that the UCI runs be my guest.

You mean your honesty, right?

it is the honesty of the performances, but i guess you only like to talk about it in the clinic.

"In your mind" - so again you wish for the Mods/CN and us the users to accept your standard.

I made a comment about what i consider Simon's guilt and then put a ',' for a pause, then added that it will obviously not be me deciding the riders with *'s after their name as it is not my forum, as you so graciously pointed out and it will not in all likely hood happen unless there is a general consensus from members and judging by the amount of posts, it is dead in the water.


need a chill pill tonight Doc?

by the way you need to wipe that frothing from yer mouth, not sure it is permitted outside the clinic.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

i dont think doping has a place in road racing but i am not gonna hide my head where the sun doesn't shine and pretend i am not watching enhanced performances.

And why should anyone care about what you think?

well i'll call a spade a spade when i see it. If you want to be part of the charade that the UCI runs be my guest.

You call everything a spade.

it is the honesty of the performances, but i guess you only like to talk about it in the clinic.



I made a comment about what i consider Simon's guilt and then put a ',' for a pause, then added that it will obviously not be me deciding the riders with *'s after their name as it is not my forum, as you so graciously pointed out and it will not in all likely hood happen unless there is a general consensus from members and judging by the amount of posts, it is dead in the water.


need a chill pill tonight Doc?

It didn't have a pulse when you brought it here.

by the way you need to wipe that frothing from yer mouth, not sure it is permitted outside the clinic.

No idea what that mean - but if you're stating a preference that I keep quiet then consider it ignored.

 

[Anonymous]

Pantani wasn't 'caught' (poor lad just had a reaction to altitude) and Simoni was cleared.
Maybe you need an asterix after the asterix?

Just to clarify.

AsterIX

AsterISK

As for the thread, there have been some stupid ideas on this forum over the years, this is right up their with the silliest of them.

i assume its a joke?

 

[Benotti69]

As for the thread, there have been some stupid ideas on this forum over the years, this is right up their with the silliest of them.

i assume its a joke?

maybe becasue too many sky riders will be asterisked