reepje said:I hope the rules change,and dopers get a life ban !
It are the biggest loosers on earth,and kill the sport!
Now in cyclocross to !! what a sad thing !!![]()
Timmy-loves-Rabo said:as sad as it is and I agree with you, the place for this is the clinic
Its a perfectly lucid decison regardless if its prosocial or not.BroDeal said:Doping is a rational choice.
incorrect spellingreepje said:I hope the rules change,and dopers get a life ban !
It are the biggest loosers on earth,and kill the sport!
Now in cyclocross to !! what a sad thing !!![]()
Cloxxki said:If doping is a rational decision, then the penalty should reflect that. Money back to the sport (year salary penalty) is good, but they'll find more old grey men to sponsor their lean trained butts. They are financially safer INSIDE the sport than outside, so they'll keep on training and sucking up to old rich men with bike teams.
2 year bans have only pushed out 32+ yo riders out of the sport. Except for Kohl.
BroDeal said:I have said this before, but studies have shown the risk of getting caught is more important than the harshness of the punishment when it comes to dissuading people from doing something. As long as people believe that they will not get caught, they will continue to dope. The risks are small. The rewards are great. Doping is a rational choice.
Ripper said:I basically agree with you. My stance for quite some time has been - let's make the suspensions (not bans) short, but immediate. And let's actually be rigorous with testing, and catch all the fish (not just the small fry). Work the suspensions on a sliding scale, so it becomes increasingly 'bad' to be caught again and again - hitting you in the wallet.
Banning is essentially criminalization of a behaviour, but will not change the behaviour - it will just make it higher stakes. At the highest stake, you are too big to be caught.
flicker said:Are you ripper saying that life is unfair? What a concept.
Colm.Murphy said:well, that is not precisely true.
here is the big list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling
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Le breton said:Of course Pascal Hervé is not far behind; watching him in the TdF 2002 was funny as well, he had to slow down so many times in the Izoard so as not to drop everybody including of course L.A. and his buddy Virenque who he was trying to help. If you have a video of that climb it's well worth watching just to admire Hervé's antics. My guess is he could have won the TdF that year but didn't want to as it would have been too obvious he was doped : too much above his usual performances.
luckyboy said:You mean 2000. Herve retired in 2001 and only rode for Polti with Virenque in 2000
Le breton said:You must be right luckyboy, I did not take the time to check. 2000 then
ChrisE said:Yeah, I remember him chomping at the bit and soft pedalling up Hautacam and Ventoux, which enabled LA to put the tour away over those 2 stages. LA was really worried about Herve, who was the real threat instead of Pantani, Ulrich, etc.![]()
ChrisE said:Coming up next on Biography:
Pascal Herve, the reluctant stage racer. Get the inside story about this humbling character, who held back his ambition to obliterate the 2000 TdF field for the tranquility of obscurity.
Le breton said:PS : I love your avatar, or is that the real thing?
ChrisE said:No, that's me. Thanks for the compliment, and if I "swung" that way I would have to look you up next time I was in Europe.
My girlfriend took this picture of me at the bisexual/lesbian convention in Cancun last month.![]()
frenchfry said:I say an interview with Hervé a few years ago. Clearly he was willing to do pretty much anything to get results and was totally unapologetic about it.
I remember him saying that at the end Virenque's lies were so blatant as to be ridiculous. I dislike them both a lot, though at least Hervé was honest about his digressions.
Colm.Murphy said:What is Herve doing now? I'd like to see what the riders from that time have moved forward with in their lives.
ChrisE said:Coming up next on Biography:
Pascal Herve, the reluctant stage racer. Get the inside story about this humbling character, who held back his ambition to obliterate the 2000 TdF field for the tranquility of obscurity.
Colm.Murphy said:What is Herve doing now? I'd like to see what the riders from that time have moved forward with in their lives.