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DanielSong39 said:
OldCranky said:
All of mine have been mentioned already but I still have to say special mention for the queen of doping, Flo Jo. Still holds the women's 100m record, set at the US Olympic Trials (lol) in 1988. In the 30 years since then, nobody else has run within 0.15 of her time.
She paid the ultimate price for her deeds...
Not really. She died from suffocation during an epileptic fit, which was caused by a congenital brain abnormality. Nothing linking it to doping.
 
The Austrian alpine skiing team in the early 2000s was quite ridiculous. From being among the best teams to winning every race usually getting all three spots on the podium and in one case the first nine skiers in a race were all Austrian. To top it off their two most successful skiers were Maier and eberharter, one a noname who suddenly bursted on the scene at a relatively high age and completely dominated, the other one once a big prospect who disappointed after a successful career start just to all of a sudden be twice as good as he ever was from one year to another. Don't sound like the narratives of dopers at all, right? :lol:
BTW, luckily I'm anonymous on this forum asI'd get crucified for saying what I just wrote in public.
 
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The Austrian alpine skiing team in the early 2000s was quite ridiculous. From being among the best teams to winning every race usually getting all three spots on the podium and in one case the first nine skiers in a race were all Austrian. To top it off their two most successful skiers were Maier and eberharter, one a noname who suddenly bursted on the scene at a relatively high age and completely dominated, the other one once a big prospect who disappointed after a successful career start just to all of a sudden be twice as good as he ever was from one year to another. Don't sound like the narratives of dopers at all, right? :lol:
BTW, luckily I'm anonymous on this forum asI'd get crucified for saying what I just wrote in public.
That era was just full genius Austrian domination, boring as hell if you weren't Austrian. :D
The Herminator was a beast, he was actually invited to the 2003 Tour de France and rode the prologue:
 
Mayomaniac said:
Gigs_98 said:
The Austrian alpine skiing team in the early 2000s was quite ridiculous. From being among the best teams to winning every race usually getting all three spots on the podium and in one case the first nine skiers in a race were all Austrian. To top it off their two most successful skiers were Maier and eberharter, one a noname who suddenly bursted on the scene at a relatively high age and completely dominated, the other one once a big prospect who disappointed after a successful career start just to all of a sudden be twice as good as he ever was from one year to another. Don't sound like the narratives of dopers at all, right? :lol:
BTW, luckily I'm anonymous on this forum asI'd get crucified for saying what I just wrote in public.
That era was just full genius Austrian domination, boring as hell if you weren't Austrian. :D
The Herminator was a beast, he was actually invited to the 2003 Tour de France and rode the prologue:
I still have a couple of pairs of those adidas shoes and I'm wearing a pair in my avatar picture. :surprised:
 
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Singer01 said:
Black Betsy said:
Singer01 said:
A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?

Biases aside, interesting article:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/olympics/jarmila-kratochvilova-800-meters-record.html
Haha. Look how far behind everyone else was at the finish.
Reminds me of the short track equivalent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx_-DpRDwIs

Now where have I seen a finish like that before? Oh yeah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrt9yZL8dbI
 
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OldCranky said:
Singer01 said:
Black Betsy said:
Singer01 said:
A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?

Biases aside, interesting article:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/olympics/jarmila-kratochvilova-800-meters-record.html
Haha. Look how far behind everyone else was at the finish.
Reminds me of the short track equivalent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx_-DpRDwIs

Now where have I seen a finish like that before? Oh yeah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrt9yZL8dbI
Is that any different from Rudisha or Carl Lewis though.

Rudisha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEOjWEzVGs

Carl Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fg-fz8ugF4
 
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Black Betsy said:
Singer01 said:
A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?

Biases aside, interesting article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/olympics/jarmila-kratochvilova-800-meters-record.html
That's a pretty good read.

I remember seeing a documentary about Kratochvilova a while back - forever and ever she'll claim she never doped (or was given some roids without her knowledge), she was just given some B-12 shots.

Draw your own conclusions.
 
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DanielSong39 said:
Is that any different from Rudisha or Carl Lewis though.

Rudisha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEOjWEzVGs

Carl Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fg-fz8ugF4
Not significantly but I suspect neither were the methods by which they were achieved. Lewis in particular is another one who deserves his place in this thread. Frankly, I haven't been able to believe much that I've seen in track and field since at least the 1984 Olympics when I was 13 and most of those sports have been dirty since before I was born, it's just that '84 is about my first clear memory of them.

Probably worth noting that Rudisha's gap over the rest of the field when breaking the 800m world record wasn't that much different from Jones's in a 100m race though. :D
 
Marion Jones.
She wasn't mentioned in the thread yet - has all of the criteria for Hall of Doping Fame
Superstardom, five Olympic gold medals, involved in the BALCO, and one of the few athletes ever to go to jail as a result of her doping. Six months in federal prison, for real. Hard to beat that
 
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ClassicomanoLuigi said:
Marion Jones.
She wasn't mentioned in the thread yet - has all of the criteria for Hall of Doping Fame
Superstardom, five Olympic gold medals, involved in the BALCO, and one of the few athletes ever to go to jail as a result of her doping. Six months in federal prison, for real. Hard to beat that
She's the first of the two videos I linked on the previous page. If I recall correctly though, she was actually jailed for perjury because she lied to a grand jury about doping rather than for doping itself. Technical distinction I know, but that's law for you.
 
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Scarponi said:
Koronin said:
China's swim team, although don't remember which Olympics it was.
That 16 year old Chinese female swimmer who beat the final split of Phelps or Lochte in the medley, now thats some rocket fuel
Ye Shiwen's 400 IM in London 2012! One of the most impressive doped performances ever! She closed the last 50m freestyle in 28'93 vs Lochte's 29'10!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArKGCqlVbLQ

Swimming is indeed one of the dirtiest sports out there: being in the water makes the sport less stressful than, say, running and implies that there are huge gains from EPO or transfusions allowing the athletes to train like machines. My impression is that the anti-doping culture outside of competition is pretty mild compared to, say, cycling.

Another all-time best in the list must be Katie Ledecky!
 
OldCranky said:
She's the first of the two videos I linked on the previous page. If I recall correctly though, she was actually jailed for perjury because she lied to a grand jury about doping rather than for doping itself. Technical distinction I know, but that's law for you.
Ah, I didn't click the URL link so I didn't know it had been covered
Yeah, that's exactly right, Marion Jones went to prison for lying to federal investigators of her case. Not for possession or trafficking of illegal drugs. And not for her doping per se, it's just how her endless deceit got her in big trouble
 
Tiger Woods, golf
- worked with a doping doctor known for Human Growth Hormone and blood transfusion
- some PGA tour players allege he used anabolic steroids (totally unproven accusation)
- got arrested for driving under the influence of drugs, five drugs in his blood, two of which are banned
 

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