Doping in other sports?

[SeriousSam]

With all the UFC talk, I think it's quite ironic that the UFC is now coming down on hard on steroids. Here's Lorenzo Fertitta, one of the owners:

True, he's not breaking any rules unlike their fighters but still. Ironic.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Cung Le tested positive for HGH after getting beat bloody by Michael Bisping at UFC Fight Night Macau. Nine months suspension to follow.

Bisping had had a string of high-profile losses to fighters who tested positive on subsequent fights, and whinged accordingly, so the UFC even went so far as to publicise before the fight that Bisping and Le would be subjected "advanced" testing procedures. But the real question, IMHO, is what he was taking that wasn't detected?

 

[blackcat]

With all the UFC talk, I think it's quite ironic that the UFC is now coming down on hard on steroids. Here's Lorenzo Fertitta, one of the owners:

True, he's not breaking any rules unlike their fighters but still. Ironic.

before they got on the roids and hgh and melatonan (for an orange hue oompa loompa drug tan)

 

[FitSsikS]

With all the UFC talk, I think it's quite ironic that the UFC is now coming down on hard on steroids. Here's Lorenzo Fertitta, one of the owners:

True, he's not breaking any rules unlike their fighters but still. Ironic.

Seeing as how the Nevada Athletic Commission accepts a T/E ratio of 7/1...I'm sure he just trying to make himself more acceptable.

 

[neineinei]

15 year old middle distance runners Olga and Elena Paushkina har been banned for two years after testing positive for some unnamed substance in out of competition tests 16 April. (RUSADA seems to not publish what substance the suspended athlete tested positive for, but IAAF will eventually publish it on their sanctions list).

http://www.insidethegames.biz/news/...r-15-year-old-russian-twins-handed-doping-ban

At the other end of the age spectrum of athletics, 46 year old Italian triathlete/ironman/marathon runner Giuseppe Bardelli has been banned for four years for refusing to submit blood sample as well as testing positive for Nesp (darbepoetin alfa), betamethasone, anastrozole and testosterone.

That is to my knowlegde the third Italian darbepoetin positive this year. The other two were in cycling, Luca Benedetti and 18 year old Giovanni Di Maria. Why are there so many NESP positives in Italy now? Darbepoetin/NESP was what Mühlegg was caught for at the Salt Lake City Olympics in 2002.

http://www.coni.it/en/news/primo-pi...ecutor-s-office-for-refusing-blood-check.html

IAAF sanctions update for September 2014

The 15 year old twins were banned for Clenbuterol positives.

IAAF sanctons list updated 2 October 2014

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Who the hell is giving Clen to 15 year olds.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Lorenzo is in good company

EDIT: ^^^ Vince McMahon, Chairman & CEO, World Wrestling Entertainment, aged 69


Cung Le maintains he is innocent and blames the mistake on the UFC's independent "less-than-WADA-standard" drug testers. He hasn't gone FLandis on them but expect more polemics to follow.


This isn't PEDs related but it is blood boosting. Sort of.

An MMA fighter who came in 2/3rds of a kilo overweight took a novel approach to making weight. When fighters initially weigh in too heavy, many venues allow a couple of extra hours to make the cut (sometimes with a reduction in purse). When Cody McKenzie was 1.4 pounds overweight for a Battleground MMA tournament in Tulsa, Oklahoma, he had a pint of blood drawn. Problem solved.

What isn't clear (to me) is what became of the blood. A medical "expert" who the MMA Fighting website consulted addressed it as though McKenzie had made a blood donation, but I can find no reference confirming that. For all I know, he had blood drawn, weighed in, then had the blood re-transfused. Which is an ace weight-cutting strategy, at least until it's banned. Or a fighter faints from low blood pressure while stepping up onto the scales. Or contracts sepsis and dies horribly from unsanitary conditions.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.iaaf.org/gala/news/iaaf-athlete-year-2014-candidates

The IAAF's list of candidates for 2014 World Athlete of the Year Award includes three athletes who have tested positive

 

[kingjr]

http://www.iaaf.org/gala/news/iaaf-athlete-year-2014-candidates

The IAAF's list of candidates for 2014 World Athlete of the Year Award includes three athletes who have tested positive

"I find the nomination great. Yet I stand for nomination with a former doping offender, and that is the reason for my waiver."

http://www.sportal.com.au/article/n...year-award-omission/38fow51jslga1skeo5ropjty2

 

[sniper]

http://www.sportal.com.au/article/n...year-award-omission/38fow51jslga1skeo5ropjty2

interesting response from Harting.
Somebody get him in contact with JV to tell him how previous dopers are now clean.

 

[sniper]

http://www.iaaf.org/gala/news/iaaf-athlete-year-2014-candidates

The IAAF's list of candidates for 2014 World Athlete of the Year Award includes three athletes who have tested positive

in your eyes is there a difference between having tested positive and having been outed?
I mean, what's the difference between Jason Gatlin and most Garmin riders?

 

[Race Radio]

in your eyes is there a difference between having tested positive and having been outed?
I mean, what's the difference between Jason Gatlin and most Garmin riders?

I could talk about Gatlin's decade of doping, multiple failed tests, etc......but the most obvious thing is Gatlin ran a PR of 9.77 this year. tied for 5th fastest ever in an insanely dirty sport. At age 32.

Millar, VDV, Dave Z, Tommy D. They are a shadow of what they were back in the day. I doubt they are doping now......While Gatlin is setting PR's at 32. He never quit.

 

[D-Queued]

I could talk about Gatlin's decade of doping, multiple failed tests, etc......but the most obvious thing is Gatlin ran a PR of 9.77 this year. tied for 5th fastest ever in an insanely dirty sport. At age 32.

Millar, VDV, Dave Z, Tommy D. They are a shadow of what they were back in the day. I doubt they are doping now......While Gatlin is setting PR's at 32. He never quit.

Oh, c'mon RR. You know that the equipment is much better now and the track surfaces are much, much faster.

And, he has focused a lot on leg speed so he can squeeze in more strides.

Sometimes he even hydrates during a workout.

Imagine how fast he would have been ten years ago.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

I could talk about Gatlin's decade of doping, multiple failed tests, etc......but the most obvious thing is Gatlin ran a PR of 9.77 this year. tied for 5th fastest ever in an insanely dirty sport. At age 32.

Millar, VDV, Dave Z, Tommy D. They are a shadow of what they were back in the day. I doubt they are doping now......While Gatlin is setting PR's at 32. He never quit.

In 2012 Hesjedal was chosen Canada's athlete of the year.
What's the difference between him and those three guys on the shortlist?

 

[Race Radio]

In 2012 Hesjedal was chosen Canada's athlete of the year.
What's the difference between him and those three guys on the shortlist?

Hesjedal won the Giro in 2012 with the lowest avg. power output of a Grand Tour winner since LeMond. Do you really equate that with Gatlin being the 5th fastest in history at 32? Really?

When Froome set his record up the Madone he broke the record held not by Armstrong, but by Danielson. Do you think Tommy D can finish within 15 seconds of Froome today? Really?

My, and others, main issue is with Gatlin. He is still doing what he was always doing. I doubt any of the Garmin guys are.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Hesjedal won the Giro in 2012 with the lowest avg. power output of a Grand Tour winner since LeMond. Do you really equate that with Gatlin being the 5th fastest in history at 32? Really?

When Froome set his record up the Madone he broke the record held not by Armstrong, but by Danielson. Do you think Tommy D can finish within 15 seconds of Froome today? Really?

My, and others, main issue is with Gatlin. He is still doing what he was always doing. I doubt any of the Garmin guys are.

ask adrie van diemen. He should know.

Why worry about gatlin when everyone with half a brain knows track and field is all about marginal gains since jesse owens....

 

[westerner]

Millar, VDV, Dave Z, Tommy D. They are a shadow of what they were back in the day. I doubt they are doping now......While Gatlin is setting PR's at 32. He never quit.

Luckily for Hesjedal, as he has explained publicly, EPO made him ride worse!

Seems strange though that in this era of clean cycling that a clean riding Hesjedal did not go from strength to strength, and major podium to podium after his confidence boosting 2012 Giro triumph

When an athlete comes under increased scrutiny and results drop off....some might just wonder whats up

 

[Race Radio]

When an athlete comes under increased scrutiny and results drop off....some might just wonder whats up

Not really the thread for it but his w/kg have not dropped off. He has climbed as fast as he did at the Giro multiple times, but instead of winning he is in the top 10.

 

[D-Queued]

Luckily for Hesjedal, as he has explained publicly, EPO made him ride worse!

Seems strange though that in this era of clean cycling that a clean riding Hesjedal did not go from strength to strength, and major podium to podium after his confidence boosting 2012 Giro triumph

When an athlete comes under increased scrutiny and results drop off....some might just wonder whats up

Actually, looking to milk this one for its full benefit, it didn't make him slower. It made him go backwards!

Other than Ryder, I have never heard nor seen anyone in the peloton ride backwards.

Neat trick.

He may be honest, and he may not have been doping for years. But, when you use extreme overstatements to try and underscore that you are being honest, it just doesn't look good.

Dave.

 

[westerner]

Actually, looking to milk this one for its full benefit, it didn't make him slower. It made him go backwards!

Well Dave, seems Ryder fibbed a bit when he said he road backwards in spring 2004, just backwards on the mountain bike....kinda like a trials rider I suppose. But he rode pretty forwards on his road bike in his Postal jersey.

"Hesjedal was also preparing his post-Athens career by joining Lance Armstrong’s U.S. Postal Service team in 2004. So he debuted in European pro road racing that spring. I chatted with him in Bruges before the start of his first classic, the Tour of Flanders, where he told me how pleased he was to play a part in helping new teammate George Hincapie win the previous week’s Three Days of De Panne. Hesjedal didn’t finish Flanders, but a week later, in Spain, he got into the winning, eight-man breakaway at the extremely hilly Klasika Primavera in the Basque Country: He placed fifth behind winner Alejandro Valverde, and ahead of the Italian stars Damiano Cunego and Gilberto Simoni."

http://http://redkiteprayer.com/2012/05/tuesdays-with-wilcockson-hesjedal-was-always-a-star-in-the-making/

Doesn't matter the sport, most top athletes have huuuuuge egos and they are hard wired to do all they can, lying included, to protect their "accomplishments". Ryder has strategically tried to paint his doping as something that happened on the mountain bike, but assure everyone that his road career is untainted.

It was pretty choice seeing Ben Johnson just recently celebrate the anniversary of his "Soul record"!

 

[D-Queued]

Well Dave, seems Ryder fibbed a bit when he said he road backwards in spring 2004, just backwards on the mountain bike....kinda like a trials rider I suppose. But he rode pretty forwards on his road bike in his Postal jersey.

"Hesjedal was also preparing his post-Athens career by joining Lance Armstrong’s U.S. Postal Service team in 2004. So he debuted in European pro road racing that spring. I chatted with him in Bruges before the start of his first classic, the Tour of Flanders, where he told me how pleased he was to play a part in helping new teammate George Hincapie win the previous week’s Three Days of De Panne. Hesjedal didn’t finish Flanders, but a week later, in Spain, he got into the winning, eight-man breakaway at the extremely hilly Klasika Primavera in the Basque Country: He placed fifth behind winner Alejandro Valverde, and ahead of the Italian stars Damiano Cunego and Gilberto Simoni."

http://http://redkiteprayer.com/2012/05/tuesdays-with-wilcockson-hesjedal-was-always-a-star-in-the-making/

Doesn't matter the sport, most top athletes have huuuuuge egos and they are hard wired to do all they can, lying included, to protect their "accomplishments". Ryder has strategically tried to paint his doping as something that happened on the mountain bike, but assure everyone that his road career is untainted.

It was pretty choice seeing Ben Johnson just recently celebrate the anniversary of his "Soul record"!

Let's say the going backward thing was an overstatement about feeling slower.

BUT (big but), if you switch from MTB to road wouldn't feeling slower be about the last thing you sensed?

Especially when you are helping out doper Hincapie and finishing in winning breaks with doper Valv.Piti?

Something doesn't add up.

And, he could always ride his knobbies on the road if that felt faster.

Dave.

P.S. I gotta check out the Soul Man's Record. Thanks for that.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Not really the thread for it but his w/kg have not dropped off. He has climbed as fast as he did at the Giro multiple times, but instead of winning he is in the top 10.

I'm not trying to be an ***, but can you show these numbers? He usually is outside the realm of discussion, so I haven't looked for or seen them.

 

[jens_attacks]

no, he's much weaker than in 2012. he's climbing like at that giro maybe for one day but he's not constant anymore.

 

[Race Radio]

no, he's much weaker than in 2012. he's climbing like at that giro maybe for one day but he's not constant anymore.

Yeah, this is true. He has climbed as fast as 2012 but not consistently. He had a few good performances like LBL, the Stelvio stage, but then always has 2-3 bad days

 

[sniper]

Yeah, this is true. He has climbed as fast as 2012 but not consistently. He had a few good performances like LBL, the Stelvio stage, but then always has 2-3 bad days

so, back to the drawing board.
2012, Canadian sportsman of the year.