Doping in other sports?

[labratty]

This was on the news down there http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-13/aussie-sport-doping-details-emerge-as-government/4571490

 

[mikehammer67]

they only caught power athletes, probably on steroids.
in 2005 arguably the field of endurance athletes was pervaded with EPO, yet they don't catch one single endurance athlete.

i must admit, though, that I'm not closely following this story.
it just smells like there is currently a strong anti-eastern european bias within the IAAF.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/07/25/ioc-doping-chief-rues-not-acting-sooner-on-retests173053/
same story last year with the ioc
a few positives from eastern european field event medallists



they retested less than 100 samples after being reminded to do so
-that might suggest a lack of real interest

why no epo positives? hasn't testing advanced?

 

[mikehammer67]

Honestly - not really; there's a strong culture of steroid abuse in certain events in countries - note how few 'polish' busts there are, how romanian busts have declined over the years.

And hey, let's remember, they'd already caught Justin Gatlin (2005 Worlds gold 100, 200) and Rahmzi (2005 Worlds gold 600, 1500).

Look at the number of us sprinters caught over the year - now they catch fewer - but look how weak, relatively speaking, us male sprinting now is.

Look, i know you probably want them to catch Farah or Ennis or something - but be that as it may - cheats ARE cheats, and the long and the short of it is Belarus, in partuclar seems to have an epidemic of it - i think it's good to expose and try and stop that, no?

Gatlin and ramzi are still double world champions from 05

 

[DirtyWorks]

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/07/25/ioc-doping-chief-rues-not-acting-sooner-on-retests173053/
same story last year with the ioc
a few positives from eastern european field event medallists



they retested less than 100 samples after being reminded to do so
-that might suggest a lack of real interest

why no epo positives? hasn't testing advanced?

IOC policy on doping is that it not generate any controversy, not that athletes are particularly clean. The sports federations failed the doping IQ test. They get what they deserve for not hiring professionals.

We know from Ashenden's feud with the UCI about Armstrong's 2010 samples that the federation/lab didn't even bother routing the very, very, VERY likely positive samples to experts to initiate opening a case. This is within WADA rules as the sports federation has total authority over testing. This is probably normal for IOC sports federations.

There are no EPO positives because the athletes likely test not-positive at the games. The way EPO in particular works is the athlete has a few days where they would probably test positive, then for sure test negative AND get the EPO bonus. Successful EPO use for the Olympic games becomes a matter of timing. This has been shown true with a number of athletes.

FWIW, large doses of EPO is considered kind of primitive now. Even the UCI suggests athletes take a little vacation to get blood values within their approved range.

 

[mikehammer67]

thanks
so those '05 samples will test clear even now if
a few days had elapsed since taking epo?

i know the detection window is smaller now with
microdosing

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/athletic...oshttp://www.iol.co.za/sport/a ... UDF7HoReos[/url]

looks like they've caught a bunch of dopers
with the passport

 

[Red Dragon]

Seventeen athletes face bans after blood profile changes :

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/stor...thletes-face-bans-after-blood-profile-changes

 

[Zam_Olyas]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22047144

Dillian Whyte: Scapegoat for sport’s supplement generation?

 

[Briant_Gumble]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22047144

Dillian Whyte: Scapegoat for sport’s supplement generation?

Definitely a harsh sentence for a stimulant.

Not buying his story though, seems like the Roy Jones "ripped fuel" excuse over again.

 

[hiero2]

For some reason I was inspired today to google the beginnings of steroid use in sport.

I came up with a couple of interesting links:

http://skallas.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/so-when-did-all-of-this-steroids-stuff-start-anyway/

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...ance_interviews/the_dark_side_of_bodybuilding

Provided some interesting reading.

 

[Catwhoorg]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22047144

Dillian Whyte: Scapegoat for sport’s supplement generation?

He took Jack3d to boost his performance in training. Admitted this in his testimony.

Maybe he didn't know it contained MHA, but it is (was as that formulation is banned in the UK now) listed on the ingredients. So he can't even realistically claim that he took due diligence over what he ingested.

2 Years is spot on (and agreed by the appeals panel). Had he been less than forthright, he could have upto 4 years under the new regulations.

 

[El_ojo_del_Tigre]

He took Jack3d to boost his performance in training. Admitted this in his testimony.

Maybe he didn't know it contained MHA, but it is (was as that formulation is banned in the UK now) listed on the ingredients. So he can't even realistically claim that he took due diligence over what he ingested.

2 Years is spot on (and agreed by the appeals panel). Had he been less than forthright, he could have upto 4 years under the new regulations.

Actually, he took the Jack3d right before the fight, for extra energy in the fight itself, which is why he got a 2 year ban.

He clearly didn't know that it was illegal - he even showed the jack3d container to the testers on the night. They didn't say a thing.

Another boxer, former WBO champ Enzo Maccarinelli, was caught with a tiny amount of MHA metabolytes in his urine after a fight and only got a 6 month ban because he'd only used it in training (which is allowed afaik), he'd just done it too close to the fight.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

He clearly didn't know that it was illegal - he even showed the jack3d container to the testers on the night. They didn't say a thing.

Any proof of that?

Seems unusual for an athlete to take a food source for the first time on the day of competition

 

[Catwhoorg]

His testimony is pretty clear, and available online.

http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6281

Paragraph 30 about how he took it daily, to help him get through an evening workout, staring in early October (timeline in prior paragraphs)

Paragraph 35 about he took it (4-5 scoops) the day/evening of the fight in question.

Paragraph 33 is where he showed the DCO the tub of the material and declared it as a "high energy drink"

(though I would note a DCO is supposed to be impartial, and likely felt he/she couldn't comment even if they knew of an issue with Jack3d)

 

[wiggos sideburn]

Founder of BALCO laboratories Victor Conte has decided to tell former Light Heavyweight champion Jean Pascal that his current nutrionist Angel Heredia (who has also previously been convicted for supplying PED's to athletes) brings suspicion on him, as Conte believes Heredia is still dirty and providing PED's. Pascal has argued back on twitter that he is clean as is Heredia. Guessing Conte hasn't heard of the term pot, kettle, black

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Founder of BALCO laboratories Victor Conte has decided to tell former Light Heavyweight champion Jean Pascal that his current nutrionist Angel Heredia (who has also previously been convicted for supplying PED's to athletes) brings suspicion on him, as Conte believes Heredia is still dirty and providing PED's. Pascal has argued back on twitter that he is clean as is Heredia. Guessing Conte hasn't heard of the term pot, kettle, black

Interesting development, Conte has consistently said that Memo was connected in the Balco scandal but was ahead of him in the pecking order and received no punishment in exchange for leniency.

Whilst I still thinks he dopes his guys, most of them ask for additional drug testing so I think he micro doses EPO, Testosterone, uses blood transfusions and maybe even some cutting edge stuff like AICAR.

I think with his guys Memo/Angel is taking the pi55 with regards to doping.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Conte and Heredia are going at it on twitter right now, reading between the lines I think Conte is calling Memo a chump chemist for only managing to circumvent the state athletic commission testing.

 

[fuzzydunlop3]

they go back and forth all the time on twitter. it's highly entertaining. Memo constantly dodging. Does anyone know why Conte isn't working with Nonito anymore?

 

[will10]

So Tottenham are blood-spinning yet again, this time to accelerate Gareth Bale's recovery.

I genuinely don't understand how this isn't doping. Someone educate me?

 

[Benotti69]

So Tottenham are blood-spinning yet again, this time to accelerate Gareth Bale's recovery.

I genuinely don't understand how this isn't doping. Someone educate me?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...pinning-technique-speed-Welshmans-return.html

 

[Catwhoorg]

PRP injections not into the circulatory system are not banned under WADA. (This change was for the 2011 version)

Muscles, tendons other connective tissue would be OK.


The data of its efficacy is debatable, but that's a different argument.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/S...sium-PRP-in-Light-of-2010-Prohibited-List.pdf

Is a pdf of a presentation which in part lead to the 2011 change.

 

[mikehammer67]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323550604578412913149043072.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

doctor to the stars
and tue's

 

[zebedee]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323550604578412913149043072.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

doctor to the stars
and tue's

Note the connection with Nike.

 

[Frosty]

Maybe not a statement that a lot of people would disagree with but perhaps a bit different to that which normally comes out of athletics

Lynsey Sharp (Scottish 800 metre runner) says drugs are a 'huge problem' in athletics

"There's a lot of people being caught, but it's nothing compared to the amount of people getting away with it."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/22363900

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Maybe not a statement that a lot of people would disagree with but perhaps a bit different to that which normally comes out of athletics

Lynsey Sharp (Scottish 800 metre runner) says drugs are a 'huge problem' in athletics

"There's a lot of people being caught, but it's nothing compared to the amount of people getting away with it."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/22363900

Props to her for speaking out and not toeing the PR line of "there's a small minority trying to ruin it for everyone but don't be worried about what your seeing on the TV.

Kelly Holmes springs to mind as the most obvious doped 800m metre.

 

[wansteadimp]

Props to her for speaking out and not toeing the PR line of "there's a small minority trying to ruin it for everyone but don't be worried about what your seeing on the TV.

Kelly Holmes springs to mind as the most obvious doped 800m metre.

Obvious yes, not as obvious as Jarmila!

Holmes PB is over 3 secs slower than the world record. Her training partner Mutola always struck me as a certain doper, interesting that it was only when they fell out that Holmes became anything like a world beater.