Dr Ferrari -vs- Lemond

[frenchfry]

Well, well - the worm came out of his hole. I guess his close friend and principal source of income is in enough difficulty that even a sh!tbag like Ferrari comes running to his aid.

 

[this_is_edie]

i am not surprised at all he jumped into the fray. this is only days after texas himself on the french tele hinted at the same. cn reported it i think. great coordination baby.

funny im trying to catch up with the thread and so far no one mentioned the previously known but somehow forgotten facts

(I) ferrari's exoneration was based on some application of italian stature of limitation. yes it is a fact the eraced citizen conveniently forgot.
(ii) if the good doctor was just a coach why did armstrong officially severed contacts with him and why some teams forbade their riders any contacts with il dottore.

The reason I am surprised is that he just put his current money flow at risk. After that little gem stating that he is still working with clients, you know that some journalist is going to dig to try and find the names. So he was willing to risk his present and future to defend himself against a LeMond blog - yep it shows that they are seriously worried now.

 

[Benotti69]

The reason I am surprised is that he just put his current money flow at risk. After that little gem stating that he is still working with clients, you know that some journalist is going to dig to try and find the names. So he was willing to risk his present and future to defend himself against a LeMond blog - yep it shows that they are seriously worried now.

Hopefully the authorities will do a little digging as well and discover that quack Ferrari is still up to his eyes in it and this time he gets hung for it.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

We can debate all we want before the investigation, but what does it matter? At the end of the investigation we will all be more informed. Likely, some will change their positions as a result.

 

[python]

Yes, you remember correct. Ferrari wrote articles for cn some years ago. And I remember a sycophantic interview from Tim Maloney with Ferrari (ca. 5 years ago). Maloney is wannabe-journalist who obviously got overexcited about the fact that big guys like Ferrari talked to him and wrote for the cn-website.
To reciprocate the favor Maloney absolutely lied in his article about the Italian appeals court decision in 2006. Ferrari only was saved by the statute of limitations. The court decision clearly states that Simeoni is a credible witness and there was no doubt that Ferrari gave the riders programs for training and doping (exact orders about when take which doping substance).

This can be found at page 27 of the court papers of Ferrari's trial. I have it on my hard disk. Bad luck for those liars who hoped that the document is no longer available in the web and so they can tell lies about the content.

thank you, zarathustra for validating my vanishing memory.

would you be in a position to place the relevant court papers on the web ?

it appears you are fluent in italian and quite informed about ferrari, would you by chance point us to the link in la repubblica where the relevant information was posted ?

 

[Benotti69]

I still cannot understand why CN published it? Seems unfair. LeMond published an article on his blog and yet Ferrari gets his reply on here?

And no mention of who Ferrari is or was and what his connection to cycling is. His court case was long time ago and the fact that he got off on a technicality which is not uncommon in Italy and the Judges summing up stating that Ferrari was guilty( indirect quote), but due to the law got off.

 

[Bala Verde]

Yes, you remember correct. Ferrari wrote articles for cn some years ago. And I remember a sycophantic interview from Tim Maloney with Ferrari (ca. 5 years ago). Maloney is wannabe-journalist who obviously got overexcited about the fact that big guys like Ferrari talked to him and wrote for the cn-website.
To reciprocate the favor Maloney absolutely lied in his article about the Italian appeals court decision in 2006. Ferrari only was saved by the statute of limitations. The court decision clearly states that Simeoni is a credible witness and there was no doubt that Ferrari gave the riders programs for training and doping (exact orders about when take which doping substance).

This can be found at page 27 of the court papers of Ferrari's trial. I have it on my hard disk. Bad luck for those liars who hoped that the document is no longer available in the web and so they can tell lies about the content.

thank you, zarathustra for validating my vanishing memory.

would you be in a position to place the relevant court papers on the web ?

it appears you are fluent in italian and quite informed about ferrari, would you by chance point us to the link in la repubblica where the relevant information was posted ?

+1

Perhaps you can upload it on Scribd?

 

[fatandfast]

I still cannot understand why CN published it? Seems unfair. LeMond published an article on his blog and yet Ferrari gets his reply on here?

And no mention of who Ferrari is or was and what his connection to cycling is. His court case was long time ago and the fact that he got off on a technicality which is not uncommon in Italy and the Judges summing up stating that Ferrari was guilty( indirect quote), but due to the law got off.

CN not only included some reference to who and what Ferrari is they did it this time for back round on something that Lemond said. Now another person who instead of dismissing everything a stupid and super corrupt court system does you pick and choose. They said he was innocent,therefore he is innocent. Why it would be unfair for Dr. Frankenstein to rebut Lemond is also strange. CN has stuff from both guys and usually has a positive slant when it comes to Greg. Ferrari has made people win and loose including his own daughter..if you don't know his connection to cycling you must not have been watching or reading anything about it for 20 years. Make sure you ring Berlisconi and tell him the courts are ruined and he should drop everything and get them repaired asap

 

[Epicycle]

Yes, you remember correct. Ferrari wrote articles for cn some years ago. And I remember a sycophantic interview from Tim Maloney with Ferrari (ca. 5 years ago). Maloney is wannabe-journalist who obviously got overexcited about the fact that big guys like Ferrari talked to him and wrote for the cn-website.
To reciprocate the favor Maloney absolutely lied in his article about the Italian appeals court decision in 2006. Ferrari only was saved by the statute of limitations. The court decision clearly states that Simeoni is a credible witness and there was no doubt that Ferrari gave the riders programs for training and doping (exact orders about when take which doping substance).

This can be found at page 27 of the court papers of Ferrari's trial. I have it on my hard disk. Bad luck for those liars who hoped that the document is no longer available in the web and so they can tell lies about the content.

Maloney had no problems staying on Lance's good side with questions like this:

CN: How does it feel to be the target of the sensationalist European tabloid newspapers who are looking to create a scandal around your relationship with Dr Michele Ferrari?

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/features/racy_language/?id=lancearmstrong021

 

[Animal]

Maloney had no problems staying on Lance's good side with questions like this:

CN: How does it feel to be the target of the sensationalist European tabloid newspapers who are looking to create a scandal around your relationship with Dr Michele Ferrari?

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/features/racy_language/?id=lancearmstrong021

That's some creepy sycophancy!

 

[Big GMaC]

So here we are. If you go and look at the facts, if you talk about the sensationalist, the Danish people, a particular Irish person; they follow me around, they know what hotel I stay in. It is a little funny. The article (on Armstong's relationship with Michele Ferrari published in October 2001 in Ekstrabladet) basically told me that Lance Armstrong likes to stay in nice hotels, which is true! Don't we all? But there wasn't much there and the cycling media in the (TdF) pressroom recognized that. To say "I have a mole who was in Motorola", a rider who said this or that, well it boils down to three people: me, Frankie Andreu and Sean Yates. I don't think so.

 

[zarathustra]

+1

Perhaps you can upload it on Scribd?

Here it is on Scribd. AppelloFerrari06

As I said earlier in page 27 is a clear statement by the judge (coloured in green). Ferrari cannot regarded as innocent. It is proven that Ferrari was involved in the doping of the riders.

 

[python]

Here it is on Scribd. AppelloFerrari06

As I said earlier in page 27 is a clear statement by the judge (coloured in green). Ferrari cannot regarded as innocent. It is proven that Ferrari was involved in the doping of the riders.

thanks, zarathustra. you just performed a very valuable service for the internet community.

we now need someone to translate it into english to have all the misinformation
swept away once and for ever.

 

[zarathustra]

thanks, zarathustra. you just performed a very valuable service for the internet community.

we now need someone to translate it into english to have all the misinformation
swept away once and for ever.

If someone does that work then it shouldn`t be read only by a few readers in this forum. How about cyclingnews publishing an article ? Susan Westemeyer could arrange it if they are interested. I think Maloney is gone and cn should begin to correct Maloney`s lies.

 

[Bala Verde]

Here it is on Scribd. AppelloFerrari06

As I said earlier in page 27 is a clear statement by the judge (coloured in green). Ferrari cannot regarded as innocent. It is proven that Ferrari was involved in the doping of the riders.

Thanks! Very much appreciated.

 

[Benotti69]

CN not only included some reference to who and what Ferrari is they did it this time for back round on something that Lemond said. Now another person who instead of dismissing everything a stupid and super corrupt court system does you pick and choose. They said he was innocent,therefore he is innocent. Why it would be unfair for Dr. Frankenstein to rebut Lemond is also strange. CN has stuff from both guys and usually has a positive slant when it comes to Greg. Ferrari has made people win and loose including his own daughter..if you don't know his connection to cycling you must not have been watching or reading anything about it for 20 years. Make sure you ring Berlisconi and tell him the courts are ruined and he should drop everything and get them repaired asap

My bad. I take it back! CN forgive me my grave error. i stand corrected.

Berlusconi is doing his best to prolong all the trials against him and change the law so he can get off scot free as he want the prime minister of Italy to be absolved of any crimes....

 

[Race Radio]

FYI, this is indeed an English translation of the EPO report.

http://www.ergogenics.org/donati.html

No mention of Lemond.

 

[bianchigirl]

just tweeted it

 

[Barrus]

Here it is on Scribd. AppelloFerrari06

As I said earlier in page 27 is a clear statement by the judge (coloured in green). Ferrari cannot regarded as innocent. It is proven that Ferrari was involved in the doping of the riders.

Do you perhaps have any knowledge of whether this document has been digitalized by the Italian justice department as well? That would make it a lot easier to possibly translate

 

[Roland Rat]

What does it say about Axel Merckx on page 28? You know, the guy in charge of the Trek-Livestrong u23 team including Taylor Phinney and Alex Dowsett, and who is likely to take over Radioshack if/when Bruyneel retires...

 

[Race Radio]

On Simeoni it basically says his testimony was credible and back up by others.

For Merckx it confirms that Ferrari gave him drugs

 

[Roland Rat]

On Simeoni it basically says his testimony was credible and back up by others.

For Merckx it confirms that Ferrari gave him drugs

Thanks RR.

Armstrong's cycling interests really are rotten to the core.

Edit: Makes Phinney's "Doperz Suck!" protestations even more laughable.

 

[zarathustra]

Do you perhaps have any knowledge of whether this document has been digitalized by the Italian justice department as well? That would make it a lot easier to possibly translate

I don´t know about a digitalized version. I doubt that one exists.