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Gigs_98

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Breh said:

Is this true or can we classify this as dumb stuff fans say?
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Some picks are definitely very weird. Stage 9 of the 2020 TdF as number 4 is an incredibly bad take and including stage 16 of the 2022 Vuelta is honestly bad taste. The only memorable thing about that day is that a rider got injured.

Other than that, I actually think they are actually underrating stages 9 and 11 of this years Tour which I think were both fantastic and I'm sure they forgot about some other stuff. Stage 20 of the 2020 Giro, the Sepp Kuss stage in last years Vuelta and the Hazallanas stage this year are three stages immediately coming to my mind which I think were much better than a number of stages on the list. But the thing is, enjoyment of a stage is so subjective that it's kind of hard to say any pick here is outright wrong. I can only question the author's taste.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Some picks are definitely very weird. Stage 9 of the 2020 TdF as number 4 is an incredibly bad take and including stage 16 of the 2022 Vuelta is honestly bad taste. The only memorable thing about that day is that a rider got injured.

Other than that, I actually think they are actually underrating stages 9 and 11 of this years Tour which I think were both fantastic and I'm sure they forgot about some other stuff. Stage 20 of the 2020 Giro, the Sepp Kuss stage in last years Vuelta and the Hazallanas stage this year are three stages immediately coming to my mind which I think were much better than a number of stages on the list. But the thing is, enjoyment of a stage is so subjective that it's kind of hard to say any pick here is outright wrong. I can only question the author's taste.
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It's very hard to rank them. Maybe it's easier to start off by ranking different kinds of stages (I've included at least 1 stage from each GT):

Best ITTs:
  1. Tour'20: La Planche des Belles Filles
  2. Giro'23: Monte Lussari
  3. Tour'23: Combloux
  4. Tour'22: Rocamadour
  5. Tour'24: Gevrey-Chambertin
  6. Tour'22: Copenhagen
  7. Giro'24: Perugia
  8. Tour'21: Laval
Best mountain stages:
  1. Tour'22: Granon
  2. Giro'20: Laghi di Cancano
  3. Tour'23: Cauterets (Cambasque)
  4. Tour'24: Le Lioran
  5. Giro'22: Torino
  6. Giro'20: Sestriere
  7. Tour'22: Hautacam
  8. Tour'23: Laruns
  9. Vuelta'21: Covadonga
  10. Giro'21: Alpe Motta
  11. Tour'23: Morzine
  12. Tour'23: Courchevel
  13. Vuelta'20: Aramón Formigal
  14. Vuelta'24: Granada
  15. Tour'21: Le Grand-Bornand
  16. Tour'24: Isola 2000
  17. Vuelta'23: Tourmalet
  18. Tour'20: Loze
  19. Tour'24: Plateau de Beille
  20. Vuelta'22: Pico Jano
  21. Vuelta'23: Javalambre
  22. Vuelta'22: Sierra Nevada
  23. Vuelta'24: Moncalvillo
  24. Vuelta'23: Angliru
Best of the rest:
  1. Tour'24: Troyes
  2. Vuelta'21: Mos (Castro de Herville)
  3. Giro'21: Montalcino
  4. Tour'22: Arenberg
  5. Tour'22: Mende
  6. Tour'21: Le Creusot
  7. Giro'24: Fano
  8. Tour'23: Poligny
  9. Vuelta'24: Yunquera
  10. Tour'22: Calais
  11. Vuelta'24: Cazorla
  12. Vuelta'24: Maeztu
Which ones did I miss?

PS: My memory is a bit foggy for some of them, so I may have dropped the ball for some.
 
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Red Rick said:
I don't see by what objective metric Planche was a better TT than Lussari because the 2020 Tour was basically decided at the base of the climb.
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Pogacar was still about 30 seconds behind Rogla in the GC at the bottom of the climb. One could speculate that the youngster went too hard on the flat part and that Primoz would have enough energy left to defend himself on the climb.
 
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Red Rick said:
I don't see by what objective metric Planche was a better TT than Lussari because the 2020 Tour was basically decided at the base of the climb.
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The objective metric were the intermediate time splits. The subjective metric are overwhelming opinions and the fact the TdF is simply a much bigger race than the Giro. The pressure at the Tour is immense. Not so much the Giro.

At the foot of the climb there was no certainty Roglic would lose. Roglic lost the stage by 1'56". He had a 57 sec lead at the start, was still in virtual yellow after the 2nd intermediate. I added the time gaps if my arithmetic is correct:

First intermediate
1. Rémi Cavagna 16.57
2. Tom Dumoulin 17.09
3. Tadej Pogacar 17.14
4. Kasper Asgreen s.t.
5. Primoz Roglic 17.27 (+13 sec)
6. Wout van Aert 17.36

Second intermediate
1. Tom Dumoulin 39.43
2. Tadej Pogacar 39.44
3. Rémi Cavagna 40.01
4. Primoz Roglic 40.20 (+36 sec)
5. Damiano Caruso 40.32
6. Wout van Aert 40.34
7. Richie Porte 40.44

Third intermediate
1. Tadej Pogacar 49.15
2. Tom Dumoulin 50.03
3. Richie Porte 50.21
4. Wout Van Aert 50.30
5. Rémi Cavagna 50.36
6. Primoz Roglic 50.37 (+82 sec)
 
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