Enough Armchair Lance Bashing!

[Anonymous]

Until a few weeks ago I would have argued that the absence of a positive test provided a reasonably compelling argument in favor of LA. I have had my eyes opened by infomation posted by Race Radio (I prefer Eva Maria), TFF and a host of others. The evidence leaves very little doubt about the hypocricy of LA, the total corruption of the UCI, powerful DS's as well as many other riders, physios, physicians, etc. Pro Cycling is an extremely messy sport.

The duplicity displayed by those that are corrupt is what makes me think that all of those involved (LA in particular) deserve the contempt they get X 1000. The hubris of LA is like a constant dragging of fingernails on a chalkboard.

I feel sorry for those who continue to believe that the sport is largely clean with a few that have been corrupted. It is clearly the other way around.

A lot of us started out just as you did. I was a fan, then he chased down Simeoni and I immediately knew what I had suspected, but not admitted, that all of the allegations about him were true.

Good Post SSCal

 

[Hugh Januss]

A lot of us started out just as you did. I was a fan, then he chased down Simeoni and I immediately knew what I had suspected, but not admitted, that all of the allegations about him were true.

Good Post SSCal

Lance Armstrong Fan Anonymous?

 

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Until a few weeks ago I would have argued that the absence of a positive test provided a reasonably compelling argument in favor of LA. I have had my eyes opened by infomation posted by Race Radio (I prefer Eva Maria), TFF and a host of others. The evidence leaves very little doubt about the hypocricy of LA, the total corruption of the UCI, powerful DS's as well as many other riders, physios, physicians, etc. Pro Cycling is an extremely messy sport.

The duplicity displayed by those that are corrupt is what makes me think that all of those involved (LA in particular) deserve the contempt they get X 1000. The hubris of LA is like a constant dragging of fingernails on a chalkboard.

I feel sorry for those who continue to believe that the sport is largely clean with a few that have been corrupted. It is clearly the other way around.

Woah!! You must have lost control of your user name to someone else. How does stalkerish obsession and ad hominem jabs mould one's logical base regarding their opinion?

 

[Anonymous]

Lance Armstrong Fan Anonymous?

1. We admitted Lance was powerless over doping, and his life was a big lie.

2. Made a decision....

 

[Anonymous]

Woah!! You must have lost control of your user name to someone else. How does stalkerish obsession and ad hominem jabs mould one's logical base regarding their opinion?

Your "Irony" button is busted too. Dang, must be the stickyness on your keyboard.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Woah!! You must have lost control of your user name to someone else. How does stalkerish obsession and ad hominem jabs mould one's logical base regarding their opinion?

If you come into this whole discusion with an open mind instead of just an empty head, it is very hard not to be swayed by the facts that the Lance bashers bring up.

 

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If you come into this whole discusion with an open mind instead of just an empty head, it is very hard not to be swayed by the facts that the Lance bashers bring up.

Ad Hominem

 

[Anonymous]

If you come into this whole discusion with an open mind instead of just an empty head, it is very hard not to be swayed by the facts that the Lance bashers bring up.

The truth................

 

[Dude17]

For example, I think the following doped:
Menchov
Contador

Is anyone going to jump to defend these riders? Am I a Menchov/Contador hater? Will someone say they were all at it so its ok?

I'm somewhat living in dread that further testing will show that Contador doped. Gods, that would be a blow to the sport. You might think he is, you might suspect he is, but to have actual proof and have them strip yet another "winner" of Le Tour of the title. Gah.

If they find he doped, he doped. But it won't be good for the sport in the short term. IMHO.

 

[Digger]

Lemond!

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Question directed towards you? No....but well done for proving yourself an idiot yet again.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Somewhere behind some keyboard **Uru** is either pounding the floor with frustration or rolling around laughing.....

 

[Hugh Januss]

The truth................

I think it's his irony recepter that is busted!

 

[Hugh Januss]

Somewhere behind some keyboard **Uru** is either pounding the floor with frustration or rolling around laughing.....

For his sake I hope it is the latter.

 

[pmcg76]

One reads lots of stories about bust ups in teams. But you don't hear about all of them because they are not deemed important enough. It's only because there is this huge focus on Armstrong that he seems like a particular arsehole. I just see it as part of sport really.

I just don't buy it. The idea that you suddenly found out Armstrong was doping along with most riders, and then this made you wish he was not in the sport, just doesn't ring true to me. I smell a rat when I see people say this.

The difference between us is that I actually know off some disputes in cycling like Cipo v Baffi, Gonzalez Arrieta v Sierra, Hinault v Protesters, Blijlevens v Julich, Pantani/Cipo v Tafi, the helmet protest 91, ad infitum so dont try to pawn this myth we only hear about it only because it involves Lance, BS, maybe that is just you. All of these were disputes and took place in the view of the public, not in private. The Simeoni/Bassons disputes were different because of the circumstances and in my time following cycling, I have never seen or heard of anything similar. Again, if anyone can provide info to the contrary, please do so. You cannot do it, can you because you know jack all about cycling outside of Lance.

 

[Anonymous]

Woah!! You must have lost control of your user name to someone else. How does stalkerish obsession and ad hominem jabs mould one's logical base regarding their opinion?

Sh!tloads of evidence. I am just amazed at how damning some of it is. And how much is ignored by those who don't care t know about it.

 

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Sh!tloads of evidence. I am just amazed at how damning some of it is. And how much is ignored by those who don't care t know about it.

Please list in damnable order, the evidence that turned your opinion.

 

[elapid]

But are never talked about. You're very American centric.

You are kidding, right? Can you truly claim with a straight face that we have never talked about either Contador or Menchov as dopers? There are numerous threads on both riders being dopers, and other suspects as well such as DiLuca, Wiggins, etc. You are just so Lance-centric that you cannot see the woods for the trees.

 

[runninboy]

Been wanting to rant about something for a while, this is only a rant....

Let me say straight out...I am no Lance fan. I would have preferred that he stayed retired. There is all kinds of smoke around him from his first go round as a pro, as well as his second go round. We all know the stories.

That said, give it a rest. Stop *****ing and moaning, bringing up the same info (accurate or not). Stop crashing any thread about anyone else and adding a comment about Lance being a doper. I am not talking about something that might happen today or in the future. I am referring to tired stories we have all heard countless times before. Until some new info comes along, could we agree to leave the past lie?

I say this because I have always been the type to step in and defend someone who is getting ganged up on. With all the people on this forum that club Lance like he is a defensless baby seal, I am starting to feel sympathy for him...and I do not like it!

Thank you for your time.

...Rant over.

I thought this thread was a question , Sorry my bad
Curious though why you feel compelled to start such a thread?
You think people presenting facts even though it might be accurate is bad behaviour?
And you claim to be type to step in and defend someone who is getting ganged up on. Did you ever think that people are "ganging up" on Lance because he is intimidating and ruining the lives of others?
Do you not think Simeoni had been bullied by Lance?
Bassons? why dont you come to their defense like others here?
How much has Lance been harmed by all this "bashing" he is rich, but he has prevented other riders from earning a livliehood by singling them out" you will never win as long as I'm around" he said words to that effect to Landis on Brasstown Bald. He has also said the same thing about riders from Cofidis earlier in his career. Granted Cofidis screwed him, but he launched a vendetta against all riders who would dare sign with the team.
Why dont you start a thread defending somewone who has been wronged and lost their livliehood?

 

[Anonymous]

I thought Scott SoCal's contribution was trolling. You'd have to be pretty dim not to know about the history of doping in cycling, or have your mind changed about Armstrong based on some hatchet men on a message board. It's probably another username for the young lady Eva Maria.

If you can read at a reasonable level then you may want to invest some time to evaluate what is out there. I really had no idea of the corruption of the governing bodies.

I love cycling for my own reasons and none of those require any justification.
Feel free to skip my posts in the future.

To me it is not about who can be the most clever. By the way, you don't hold a candle to those you try and joust with. I actually learned something. It is unpleasant. You may try and learn something too. Don't worry, it's not too late.

 

[pmcg76]

You know what I am saying. You people are the majority and you rarely talk about it compared to LA. If you did then we would have to judge whether the level hate was appropriate. Until then it's hard to tell.

That may be down to the fact that AC or Menchov dont have loads of blinkered fans on here who try to argue against what is obvious and get riled up by it. Again, if AC or Menchov tries to bully other cyclists a la Lance, we will be sure to call them on it.

 

[elapid]

You know what I am saying. You people are the majority and you rarely talk about it compared to LA. If you did then we would have to judge whether the level hate was appropriate. Until then it's hard to tell.

No, I actually didn't know what you were saying. You rarely answer direct questions and you are so obsessed with Lance that I would truly believe that you would think none of us have talked about other cyclists as potential or real dopers. The hate for Lance is not entirely about doping. If you read some of these posts, particularly the one written today by Jonathan, then you would understand the roots of the dislike some of us have for Armstrong and what he represents. Answers like yours show a complete lack of understanding of these reasons, whether this be intentional or just pure ignorance, because you persist in arguing what you want to argue without regard for what anyone has posted.

 

[runninboy]

, but it actually reflects badly on those who are doing it.[/B]QUOTE]



Ha ha I know who you really are, i thought so. this was a key phrase and thought continuosly posted by someone who disappeared on this board earlier. I seem to remember i criticized him for wanted to control other peoples behaviour.
He was always trying to manipulate people like he thought he was God
"dont be critical of others, spread the love instead. otherwise you demean yourself blah blah blah" and then nothing.
BPC spouts the same garbage. Truth means nothing, everyone behave the way I believe that is most important. Dont confuse me with facts, you people with facts are just haters. Lets all worship Lance the way i do

 

[Race Radio]

Ha ha I know who you really are, i thought so. this was a key phrase and thought continuosly posted by someone who disappeared on this board earlier. I seem to remember i criticized him for wanted to control other peoples behaviour.
He was always trying to manipulate people like he thought he was God
"dont be critical of others, spread the love instead. otherwise you demean yourself blah blah blah" and then nothing.
BPC spouts the same garbage. Truth means nothing, everyone behave the way I believe that is most important. Dont confuse me with facts, you people with facts are just haters. Lets all worship Lance the way i do

Arbiter/BanProCycling is getting lazy

 

[pedaling squares]

(thinks to self) "Don't do it, don't open ANOTHER Lance thread" ... pause... (gives in and realizes that he must love the tabloid threads as much as the informative ones) ... big sigh... opens thread...


Well the best way to avoid reading the tired old anti-Lance stories is to not start a tired old Lance thread. Unless you enjoy reading them and replying with the tired old pro-Lance stories. And I'm guessing that you do. And I took the bait, more fool me.

Look, this goes both ways. The more people say that a dramatic weight loss (oh, maybe 1-1.5 k) and the invention of 'cadence' won 7 tours, the more people will point to retroactive TUE's, EPO flavoured pee, and soigneur/teammate testimony. And around and around we go.

Plus, the man the myth the legend himself doesn't help matters by tweeting incessantly and otherwise acting like a wee child. Kind of gets the anti-Lance crowd angry and reminds them of Emma, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Greg, David, Dr. Ferrari, and all those horrible people who have opinions or, God forbid, evidence that the world's most famous training regimen included some unnatural additives.

My suggestion, and this really is a good one so pay attention, is that you not start Lance threads or visit The Clinic if this bothers you so much. The CN forum is relatively new and can always benefit from more people contributing positive posts to the other sections.

 

[Advancedone]

Can you name me another pro cyclist that gets on Twitter and announces that he is going to ride to a U2 concert in London, then is "suprised" because hundreds of people show up to join him on his ride, causing mayhem for authorities. I can just imagine how his ego was stroked by all the fans following behind him and the massive media coverage it received. It even made the news here in Australia.

This is the reason so many dislike Lance. He is a narcicistic manipulator of people using the media. Realistically, even if every thread on this site was hijacked and turned into a "Lance bash" it wouldn't go even a tiny percentage towards correcting the positive world wide media bias (largely manipulated by LA and his intrests) that is out there.

In Australia we have what is called the "tall poppy" syndrome. It means that we have a tendency to want to bring everyone down to size. Other Pro cyclist are doped as well (Menchov, Contador....) but at least they dont stick their heads up like Lance. We happily talk about others and our views of them and you can be sure that if they were getting themselves out there like Lance the the level of comment would rise proportionatly.