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Esteban Chaves Discussion Thread

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proffz said:
very very happy for chavito.
he was in bad shape at the giro after a bad spring with physical problems but some way was able to finish.
he is a very serious and nice guy, an intelligent person from a nice family.
i do not know if he can become a factor in GC , since recovery hab been a problem for him up to know.
anyway great performance today stage win and amarillo jersey.

also orica has to be congratulated because they are doing a great job in growing young riders.
they signed chavito when it was not sure if he would be able to go on with pro cycling and they were able to help him and let him the time to recover.
they did a good job positioning him today for the climb: that his a symptom that the team is believing in chavez and it is a well organized team.
definitely orica the best place to develop young riders like the yates and chavito
Orica certainly does seem the best place, Michael Matthews has become a totally different rider since joining as well. It's great to see Chaves show his talent again. I doubt that he will ever be a GC guy for GT's but he certainly looks like someone who can step up and replace the likes of Clarke, Gerrans and Weening and hunt for stages and possibly even contend at the Ardennes and Lombardia.

Very happy for him, it looks like he's having a lot of fun and Orica are only encouraging him. It was great to see how Stephens and Bannan responded to his stage win.

Now Orica just need to get Durbridge and Hepburn organised and they will have nearly all bases covered by young riders, because those two have some serious talent too.
 
Durbridge needs to re-discover his ability to attack. It was an encouraging sign at this years Giro that he was able to place 2nd on the last stage, showing that he's built up endurance but it would be nice to see more instances of that again. Instead he is increasingly becoming a workhorse, or focusing on the TTT's, which has probably been influenced by the OGE directors :(
 
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42x16ss said:
proffz said:
very very happy for chavito.
he was in bad shape at the giro after a bad spring with physical problems but some way was able to finish.
he is a very serious and nice guy, an intelligent person from a nice family.
i do not know if he can become a factor in GC , since recovery hab been a problem for him up to know.
anyway great performance today stage win and amarillo jersey.

also orica has to be congratulated because they are doing a great job in growing young riders.
they signed chavito when it was not sure if he would be able to go on with pro cycling and they were able to help him and let him the time to recover.
they did a good job positioning him today for the climb: that his a symptom that the team is believing in chavez and it is a well organized team.
definitely orica the best place to develop young riders like the yates and chavito
Orica certainly does seem the best place, Michael Matthews has become a totally different rider since joining as well. It's great to see Chaves show his talent again. I doubt that he will ever be a GC guy for GT's but he certainly looks like someone who can step up and replace the likes of Clarke, Gerrans and Weening and hunt for stages and possibly even contend at the Ardennes and Lombardia.

Very happy for him, it looks like he's having a lot of fun and Orica are only encouraging him. It was great to see how Stephens and Bannan responded to his stage win.

Now Orica just need to get Durbridge and Hepburn organised and they will have nearly all bases covered by young riders, because those two have some serious talent too.

I very much agree with regards to Chaves; the team has shown faith in him and he, in turn, has fully bought into the team ethos. OGE has NOT, as some may have thought, degenerated into an Aussie "mates club" and the proof has been seen with the performances of those international riders who've "bought in"; namely Albasini, Impey, Keukeleire, the Yates twins & Chaves. Meanwhile Aussie riders who haven't measured up (either in result or in attitude) have been shown the door.

Chaves certainly appears happy at OGE, and they would clearly like to keep him, so it will be a matter of whether he chooses to pursue a potentially higher pay packet (but maybe less opportunities) or stay in an environment where he can develop at his own pace.

OGE does have a whole swag of riders coming off contract at the end of this season. We already know of:
- Santaromita leaving (on bad terms but was always a questionable fit for this team)
- Weening leaving for Roompot (on good terms but was a good offer to ride out his career with a domestic based team)
- Mouris leaving for Drapac (on good terms but his role has been that of a hard grunt for the flat land & can't go uphill)

As yet unconfirmed stay/go:

- Albasini - has been very happy at OGE and has brought in good wins & results every year. Mid 30's so future trajectory may be downwards. Much will depend on the offer from OGE & what else may be on the table from elsewhere
- Meyer - any thoughts of him becoming a GT contender have been settled in the negative. He has brought in at least one win per year in good races. There is word of him leaving. His plus points are his big engine/TT ability esp in TTT context. Main drawback is his tendency to ride poor position when not on the front or "off the front" in a break. He could find another WT home or with a good Pro-Conti but in a prescribed "domestique" role
- Howard - likely exit. Has failed to measure up as either a 2nd tier sprinter or as a lead-out. Like Goss, has shown a tendency to crack the mopes when things not going his way. Can't see any WT team or respectable Pro-Conti team having any interest so it may be retirement/domestic racing in AUS or Drapac (Pro-Conti but barely worthy of the status)
- Keukeleire - his prime focus being the cobbled classics & this season was a break-out for him with some top 10 finishes. Also has shown some capacity in lead-outs. Another international rider who'd been shown patience by the team and has been happy at the team. Will there be some interest from other teams ?
- Howson - another junior TT World Champ. his two years have been fairly low key as regards results. Very difficult to get any real read as to his future
- Bewley - former NZ teams pursuiter & TTer. His time at OGE has been low on results albeit with a few long injury interruptions. This year has probably been his best with his first GT finish (Giro). Future ?

Re Durbridge; his main limiting factor is his lack of climbing capacity. His ITT has gone off somewhat over the past year or two. Is this temporary due to a change of emphasis in his training or permanent ? As long as OGE stays committed to TTT success, he will be a key asset & his engine suggests that he could have potential for P-R. One does hope that the team DOES grant him the licence for more exploits like the Giro finale. Will there be interest from other teams ?

Re Hepburn; he was the co-offender with Bobridge in his first year when they got into strife for being bad boys whilst "on the turps". He also stayed an extra year on the track which also set him a year back with regards to his road development. Another outstanding TT prospect in junior ranks but hasn't been notable in this regard at top level to date. Had a few HDs in first few years but has developed better legs & has completed the past 2 Giros. Clearly a useful workhorse & TTT asset but is there more ?
 
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barmaher said:
Very good post, Dirk. Informative and reasoned. Thank you.

Do we know if we can expect any new marquee signings at OGE?

There is supposed to be one but as yet unconfirmed.

I overlooked Blythe & Clarke as known "exits".

The two Canadians, Tuft & Meier are also "off contract". Both are valued "grunt workers"; Meier with some climbing prowess whereas Tuft a major TTT engine. Both have been very much at home at OGE & it would not surprise to see both stay. The issue with Tuft is whether, at 38, the team will offer him a new deal & for how long.

Txurruka & Juul-Jensen are the known international signings. There will also be 3 young Australians in Jack Haig, Robert Power & Alex Edmondson. Haig & Power are regarded as climbing talents whereas Edmondson is currently part of the AUS teams pursuit which moist likely will delay much road work until post Rio. He did, however, win this year's Junior RVV (Flanders) which may give some indication of his potential direction.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
fungusbear said:
Great ride and his interview afterwards was so lovely- seems like a nice guy. Hope he can hold red for the next few days at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6P-bZxpJgo !!
:) :) :)

That's great indeed. A very very happy man with a huge smile!

Allthough I hoped Dumoulin would've won there was only 1 rider that really deserved the win and that was Chaves since he did pretty much all the work. Loved to see him win as well.
 
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Kwibus said:
LaFlorecita said:
fungusbear said:
Great ride and his interview afterwards was so lovely- seems like a nice guy. Hope he can hold red for the next few days at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6P-bZxpJgo !!
:) :) :)

That's great indeed. A very very happy man with a huge smile!

Allthough I hoped Dumoulin would've won there was only 1 rider that really deserved the win and that was Chaves since he did pretty much all the work. Loved to see him win as well.
YeahI agree- he is such a happy person! Definitely one of my new favourite riders :)
 
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dirkprovin said:
barmaher said:
Very good post, Dirk. Informative and reasoned. Thank you.

Do we know if we can expect any new marquee signings at OGE?

There is supposed to be one but as yet unconfirmed.

I overlooked Blythe & Clarke as known "exits".

The two Canadians, Tuft & Meier are also "off contract". Both are valued "grunt workers"; Meier with some climbing prowess whereas Tuft a major TTT engine. Both have been very much at home at OGE & it would not surprise to see both stay. The issue with Tuft is whether, at 38, the team will offer him a new deal & for how long.

Txurruka & Juul-Jensen are the known international signings. There will also be 3 young Australians in Jack Haig, Robert Power & Alex Edmondson. Haig & Power are regarded as climbing talents whereas Edmondson is currently part of the AUS teams pursuit which moist likely will delay much road work until post Rio. He did, however, win this year's Junior RVV (Flanders) which may give some indication of his potential direction.
Power is a freakish talent, Haig seems a solid climber too. OGE should have almost all bases covered by young riders for the next year or two - a great position to be in.
 
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greenedge said:
Durbridge needs to re-discover his ability to attack. It was an encouraging sign at this years Giro that he was able to place 2nd on the last stage, showing that he's built up endurance but it would be nice to see more instances of that again. Instead he is increasingly becoming a workhorse, or focusing on the TTT's, which has probably been influenced by the OGE directors :(
Durbridge is a big engine and has a long turn of speed rather than a sprint. Hopefully he develops into the true ITT beast that he was at U23 level where he was 2nd by a couple of seconds at worlds at 19yo.

Hepburn needs to get his punch back. It looks like he's focused more on ITT than the hilly puncheur that won two stages and a group sprint behind the break at l'Avenir a few years ago. I hope he's not wasted as a domestique
 
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oge is working very well with the young talents.
probably power and haig have the climbing talent that was partially missing in the previous generation of aussie pursuiter with great engines and palmares. i hope that they will be bread up like chaves and the yates.

imho, young australian are very well prepared by the AIS work and grown very well.
but some of them they are very close to they maximum potential after the track career and they have very small margin of improvement when they have to make the transition to road racing.
so , we have cases like matthews, dennis and few others that continue to improve and mature into very strong pro and hors categorie rider.
others , like durbridge, meyer, howard (also physical problems contributes), maybe hepburn ,somehow fail to fill the expectations.
anyway they have the potential to become strong specialist, but not the top of the notch the supporter were expecting, the aussie hope ready to compete for a GT win or a monument

oge is the team making the better work for growing talent and I hope that they will be rewarded for that.
if they are not stolen by richer team, the yates brothers and chaves together with matthews will be the first to deliver WT satisfaction
 
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proffz said:
oge is working very well with the young talents.
probably power and haig have the climbing talent that was partially missing in the previous generation of aussie pursuiter with great engines and palmares. i hope that they will be bread up like chaves and the yates.

imho, young australian are very well prepared by the AIS work and grown very well.
but some of them they are very close to they maximum potential after the track career and they have very small margin of improvement when they have to make the transition to road racing.
so , we have cases like matthews, dennis and few others that continue to improve and mature into very strong pro and hors categorie rider.
others , like durbridge, meyer, howard (also physical problems contributes), maybe hepburn ,somehow fail to fill the expectations.
anyway they have the potential to become strong specialist, but not the top of the notch the supporter were expecting, the aussie hope ready to compete for a GT win or a monument

oge is the team making the better work for growing talent and I hope that they will be rewarded for that.
if they are not stolen by richer team, the yates brothers and chaves together with matthews will be the first to deliver WT satisfaction
Orica has worked around budget limitations in a very smart way, by going for talented youngsters who wouldn't get too many opportunities elsewhere and providing a platform to develop. Over half of their squad is 26 or younger - Matthews doesn't turn 25 until after the WC's! The team environment that they work hard to build also seems to help, with the backstage passes, the music videos etc.

Riders like Matthews, Chaves, and the Yates Bros are going to need a substantial payrise before they leave IMO
 
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42x16ss said:
proffz said:
oge is working very well with the young talents.
probably power and haig have the climbing talent that was partially missing in the previous generation of aussie pursuiter with great engines and palmares. i hope that they will be bread up like chaves and the yates.

imho, young australian are very well prepared by the AIS work and grown very well.
but some of them they are very close to they maximum potential after the track career and they have very small margin of improvement when they have to make the transition to road racing.
so , we have cases like matthews, dennis and few others that continue to improve and mature into very strong pro and hors categorie rider.
others , like durbridge, meyer, howard (also physical problems contributes), maybe hepburn ,somehow fail to fill the expectations.
anyway they have the potential to become strong specialist, but not the top of the notch the supporter were expecting, the aussie hope ready to compete for a GT win or a monument

oge is the team making the better work for growing talent and I hope that they will be rewarded for that.
if they are not stolen by richer team, the yates brothers and chaves together with matthews will be the first to deliver WT satisfaction
Orica has worked around budget limitations in a very smart way, by going for talented youngsters who wouldn't get too many opportunities elsewhere and providing a platform to develop. Over half of their squad is 26 or younger - Matthews doesn't turn 25 until after the WC's! The team environment that they work hard to build also seems to help, with the backstage passes, the music videos etc.

Riders like Matthews, Chaves, and the Yates Bros are going to need a substantial payrise before they leave IMO

Not sure Dennis will ever be a good enough climber to be a GC contender in GT; one week tours certainly. He was a first rate TTer as a junior but behind Durbridge in the pecking order. That has now reversed and its now Dennis who looks to be the elite TTer at senior level.

Matthews has most certainly found an ideal home at OGE and could have some very impressive palmares by the end of his career. His contract runs out at end of 2016 & he will most certainly field some large offers from other teams but he may be hard pressed to get a better support/environment than what he already has. My one reservation that I have with him is his tendency to lose his man's wheel in a bunch sprint.

Re budgets, I believe OGE is about mid-pack/7th-8th with regards to size. Not UK Postal by any means but crying poor either. I believe Orica "re-upped" earlier this year. UK Post will undoubtedly throw everything at the Yates but development-wise, it still may be in their better interests staying where they are for another 2 years.
 
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Red Rick said:
Ryo Hazuki said:
Red Rick said:
He's convinced me, I'm a fan.

Too bad he's in Orica and the first week of the Vuelta is almost over though
what's bad about that?

Orica own the first week of a GT only to suck during the last 15 stages. :D

Hope for him that's not the case though

IMO they play towards their strengths very well. So far they haven't had a strong GC leader. So they bring teams that can perform in the first half (where traditionally speaking there are more flat, hilly stages.)

Know they are starting to develop some gc riders. I have no doubts that once Chaves, S. Yates, and A. Yates are stronger, we'll see them change tactics and be able to compete well through 3 weeks.
 
My man Chavito- Born & Bred from the city that I'm from (Santa fe de Bogota ) makes me so proud. :) He & Nairito will take over the cycling World in the coming years without a doubt.




PS: aside all bashing & BS said to Ryo-- He called it right on Chaves too :)
 
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hfer07 said:
My man Chavito- Born & Bred from the city that I'm from (Santa fe de Bogota ) makes me so proud. :) He & Nairito will take over the cycling World in the coming years without a doubt.




PS: aside all bashing & BS said to Ryo-- He called it right on Chaves too :)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day... :p

Good to see Chaves do well here, will be very interested to see if he can hold his form over the remaining weeks!
 
I'm extremely happy to see Chaves doing well; I had my doubts this would ever happen after that horrible accident.

It's still hard to tell whether he will ever develop enough consistency and stamina to be among the top GT contenders; but he is showing the type of punch that could make him a top contender in the hilly classics.
 
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Jspear said:
Red Rick said:
Ryo Hazuki said:
Red Rick said:
He's convinced me, I'm a fan.

Too bad he's in Orica and the first week of the Vuelta is almost over though
what's bad about that?

Orica own the first week of a GT only to suck during the last 15 stages. :D

Hope for him that's not the case though

IMO they play towards their strengths very well. So far they haven't had a strong GC leader. So they bring teams that can perform in the first half (where traditionally speaking there are more flat, hilly stages.)

Know they are starting to develop some gc riders. I have no doubts that once Chaves, S. Yates, and A. Yates are stronger, we'll see them change tactics and be able to compete well through 3 weeks.
Power and Haig should only strengthen them further in this regard too, if they live up to their promise. Then there's Cort and Juul-Jensen