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Seriously, I corrected myself in another post right below that one that Slovenia is currently 3rd.

And yes, Belgium was maybe a bad choice as an example, but my point was just to ask if someone knew and could explain to me how those selections works.

This is a discussion forum so I could discuss and ask feedback no?

Estonia for example has 2 places for the TT too.

But.

Seriously.

The tone of your reply is really quite rude. I am just a relatively new member and want to discuss cycling here.

You might not agree with me or not like my posts, but that is no reason for such a tone :confused_old:
The comparison between Belgium and Slovenia is what was so ridiculous, not you asking why some countries get more spots than others.
Belgium has 8 medals on Euro and world championships ITT since the last Olympics over 3 different riders. Slovenia has one.

You can edit your post, if you post a follow up post, it is always possible it gets overlooked. Your follow up post only stated Slovenia is 3rd, not that Belgium is 1st, neither that Belgium currently has more and better ITT'ers than Slovenia.

I think my post was basically as polite as it could have been, and i also answered your question.

Well, (s)he did insult both Van Aert AND Remco.

It's impressive that logic could even write anything in the state that must have left him in ;)
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As for Tour and Olympics schedule. Here organizers likely blew it a bit. They should have give it a bit bigger time gap in between both events.

P.S. Maybe not riding a road race could make much sense.
The Tour de France is already starting a week earlier than usual. Making them skip even July 14th too would be a very big ask, especially since the French probably aren't desperately interested in the Olympic road races this year anyway.
 
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I read this article about some riders of the German team doing a reckon of the WC road race... and I thought wow, those are the riders Germany sends to the WC? Are we that bad? :tearsofjoy: (Jonas Koch, Jonas Rutsch, Walscheid...)
While having some good climbers and hilly guys recently we don't seem to have many high class riders for that parcours...

Okay, sorry for seriously getting off-topic here, just had to get rid of that.
 
I read this article about some riders of the German team doing a reckon of the WC road race... and I thought wow, those are the riders Germany sends to the WC? Are we that bad? :tearsofjoy: (Jonas Koch, Jonas Rutsch, Walscheid...)
While having some good climbers and hilly guys recently we don't seem to have many high class riders for that parcours...

Okay, sorry for seriously getting off-topic here, just had to get rid of that.
Recons are usually done by 2nd tier riders, usually by the supposed domestiques. Schachmann and Buchmann are not selected? Germany has good talent.
 
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Roglic inconsistent in TTs? Guys, Maybe he is in a 30-40 % tt winning average since 2017 or 2018, in fact in 2019 was even better than that, only in 2020 he seems to be worse, this year he was perfect in Itzulia and very good in Paris Nice.

The only problem is that his bad TTs were almost all in the last days of GT or in Worlds, but for example Geraint (to put an example of a general contender and TT specialist) is by far more incosistent, even the best TT specialist are more incosistent than Primoz over the last few years.
I agree with you. He's been one of the most consistent time trialists since 2016. I haven't checked, but going by memory, I'd say he has the most ITT wins and WT ITT wins since 2016 behind only Dennis.

He's never been dominant like Dennis, Ganna or Dumoulin for example. Even when it looked like a dominant win, there were specific circumstances that lead to such a win. Or theTT field wasn't exactly top of the top (i.e. Vuelta 2019 and 2020, Itzulia 2018) or the ITT profile was just perfect for him (too hilly for the specialists, but not enough climbing for the climbers: i.e. Itzulia and Romandie 2017, Itzulia 2021). In my opinion his best TT performance if you take into account the competition and the gaps was from Romandie 2019. Here are the results: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-romandie/2019/stage-5

As far as the comparison with Pogačar goes, I think they are close. Pogi is improving rapidly, so it doesn't make sense to look at their head to head from 2 seasons ago. We have a more recent one from Itzulia a couple of weeks ago, but that ITT was very specific with a long descent/false flat in it. From what I know now, I'd say advantage Rogla in the 1st Tour ITT (15-30s), advantage Pogi in the 2nd (same 15-30s).
 
When it comes to Roglič, at first, it was actually his TT ability, that got me thinking (and over time believing). It was years back and i don't know when it started, but i do remember:




I guess 2016 was the year the cycling world really started noticing him too. People driving behind him with a thermo camera, set at ambient temperature, everything was glowing and some people just didn't want to believe a ski jumper can TT like that. After that he has proven on multiple occasions he doesn't need a motor to win a TT. I wouldn't say all TT he did was "lucky". Whenever he prepares well he cleary demonstrates he's an elite time trialist.
 
Everyone here discussing that he is better at TTs one year and climbing the other year. Well, Jumbo Visma seems to have found a solution.

Be warned, that the following post is meant as a bit of a joke, but in the end it might be some truth to it.

Looking back to the past couple of years - one can figure out a connection when comparing the training camp locations and specific performance. I remember reading a column in a Slovenian newspaper that Primož's girlfriend wrote in 2017, before he went to his first Tour. She mentioned that he did a long training camp in Sierra Nevada before the start of the season and that she sat next to the athletic track they got up there for four or five hours every day while he just kept on going around the track in circles on his TT bike. No surprise, he was dominating TTs in that early season - winning (among others) Itzulia and Romandie TTs in quite dominant fashion. Fast forward two years, another training camp in Sierra Nevada, before the Giro. Surprise, surprise - he wins the next three TTs (Romandie and two Giro TTs), but again, his climbing is not on top level.

Last year, the long training camp he did was in Tignes - a month before the racing resumed in August. The climbing perdormance that he brough from there was on another level (and the climbing level of the whole JV team for that matter). But the TT level was not quite there. Slightly under his normal level.

So, the brilliant tacticians of Jumbo Visma have come up with a plan! Who needs Dauphine. Instead, they will have him do not one, but TWO training camps. Yes, you have guessed it. For the first three weeks in May, he will be circling the track in Sierra Nevada, thus pushing his TT skill to mythical levels. And then, when June begins he will move to Tignes to hone the climbing by tackling Iseran every day before the rest of the team even wakes up. Even Gesink mentioned last year, that mortals - the rest of the team - use their rest days for walking and short spins, while Roglič goes up and down the Iseran a couple of times, just to stretch the legs. And that is after he runs 10km around the lake!

So you can see the brilliance of Jumbo Visma. Come June the 26th, Roglič will be Indurain and Pantani combined in a single person. Why not, eh.
 
Every now and then we laugh at Jumbo Visma, but in reality they are brilliant tacticians. They make tactical moves common people couldn't even dare to imagine. It's all part of a masterful plan. They lost the Tour on purpose last year to win it some other year, when Covid19 won't be the main talking topic on Earth. All their moves are IQ 300 moves.:cool:
 
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Likely there is some truth to it. In the last article it was said they will continue to fine tune TT ability in Tignes. Has to do with the terrain being more suitable, regarding the TTs ahead. Likely Olympics. Last year they said TT was not a priority. They said that before the Tour and not as an excuse after. Realistically they won the Tour last year, bar Pogačar. I doubt anybody could have predicted the "turbo mode".

Task for this season, among everything else involed, hence is to properly address the "turbo mode". Basically they know Pogačar has a stronger team this year and more importantly a 2 minutes head start. Neutralizing that before the penultimate stage is likely a must.
 
I agree with you. He's been one of the most consistent time trialists since 2016. I haven't checked, but going by memory, I'd say he has the most ITT wins and WT ITT wins since 2016 behind only Dennis.

He's never been dominant like Dennis, Ganna or Dumoulin for example. Even when it looked like a dominant win, there were specific circumstances that lead to such a win. Or theTT field wasn't exactly top of the top (i.e. Vuelta 2019 and 2020, Itzulia 2018) or the ITT profile was just perfect for him (too hilly for the specialists, but not enough climbing for the climbers: i.e. Itzulia and Romandie 2017, Itzulia 2021). In my opinion his best TT performance if you take into account the competition and the gaps was from Romandie 2019. Here are the results: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-romandie/2019/stage-5

As far as the comparison with Pogačar goes, I think they are close. Pogi is improving rapidly, so it doesn't make sense to look at their head to head from 2 seasons ago. We have a more recent one from Itzulia a couple of weeks ago, but that ITT was very specific with a long descent/false flat in it. From what I know now, I'd say advantage Rogla in the 1st Tour ITT (15-30s), advantage Pogi in the 2nd (same 15-30s).
I think this is a fair assessment. The Itzulia TT also had the wind factor impacting late starters.

If you want my take on who should be selected for the OTT, I'm inclined to go with the freshest coming out of the Tour (barring crashes/illness/whatever).
At the same time, over the last few years, I came to the conclusion that when in doubt about athlete selections for important events, you should always go with the one with the biggest potential to win the competition (or at least get a medal). In that sense, Roglic being the most consistent of the two is kind of irrelevant to me, if one believes he doesn't have a shot at a medal.
 
I agree with you. He's been one of the most consistent time trialists since 2016. I haven't checked, but going by memory, I'd say he has the most ITT wins and WT ITT wins since 2016 behind only Dennis.

He's never been dominant like Dennis, Ganna or Dumoulin for example. Even when it looked like a dominant win, there were specific circumstances that lead to such a win. Or theTT field wasn't exactly top of the top (i.e. Vuelta 2019 and 2020, Itzulia 2018) or the ITT profile was just perfect for him (too hilly for the specialists, but not enough climbing for the climbers: i.e. Itzulia and Romandie 2017, Itzulia 2021). In my opinion his best TT performance if you take into account the competition and the gaps was from Romandie 2019. Here are the results: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-romandie/2019/stage-5

As far as the comparison with Pogačar goes, I think they are close. Pogi is improving rapidly, so it doesn't make sense to look at their head to head from 2 seasons ago. We have a more recent one from Itzulia a couple of weeks ago, but that ITT was very specific with a long descent/false flat in it. From what I know now, I'd say advantage Rogla in the 1st Tour ITT (15-30s), advantage Pogi in the 2nd (same 15-30s).
Pretty much agree on everything. In fact Jumbo did a comparison between that Romandie TT and the last one of the Giro, saying that Primoz was in a bad physical condition producing almost 20% less power in a similar distance, still top 10 and at least stealing the podium from Landa, similar to the Tirreno 2019 TT that was worse than other years in the same race but with a happy ending versus Yates.
Another factor to me is that the Bianchi Aquila CV was a force in 2016 and 2017, then was a good tt bike and in the last years only average, I think that Cervelo is improving the perfomance of Primoz, Wout and Kruijswijk in some seconds and thats could be crucial in a longer TT.
 
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