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[CyclistAbi]

*late! Sorry!

Better late than sorry.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Currently i would say Pogi is more cooked then Rogla. Pogi started the retirement talks first and told the journalists to basically buzz off. Rogla is meanwhile still consistent in being Rogla. As for claiming you are right, that Rogla won't reach 100 wins, AFAIK Rogla hasn't retired yet, so your claims are IMHO a bit far fetch, not to say bogus.

Autumn triple crown can still save Rogličes season as a whole. In terms of being up there with the rest of the best seasons so far.

Yup, Rogla should just wait a bit longer. Pogi soon will retire and grow a big belly on mediterrenean food while Vingo will be ordered by his wifey to intensify house works and bye bye cycling.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yup, Rogla should just wait a bit longer. Pogi soon will retire and grow a big belly on mediterrenean food while Vingo will be ordered by his wifey to intensify house works.

Will be interesting to see on who is more cooked and will retire first, out of the three.

 

[red_flanders]

From Rogličes perspective the main question is on how to win the Tour. In era on where journalist are making Jonas say Pogi is the GOAT at every chance they get at Vuelta. Now if that means being cooked, then who isn't?

Anyway, Rogla requested for Remco, to further strengthen the team and lets see on how that one pans out in 2026 season. Something ought to be cooking up for that, considering third place at the Tour is rather reserved for RBH anyway and nobody really wants it all that much.

That's mildly surprising. Can you support that assertion with some reliable information?

 

[Charlyghoul]

Yup, Rogla should just wait a bit longer. Pogi soon will retire and grow a big belly on mediterrenean food while Vingo will be ordered by his wifey to intensify house works and bye bye cycling.

This is possible, Rogla can go till 40 but Pog may have burnt himself out, we’ll see.
Primoz is playing the long game

 

[CyclistAbi]

That's mildly surprising. Can you support that assertion with some reliable information?

We'll see in 2026 season, on how it all pans out, that should IMHO be telling enough.

 

[red_flanders]

We'll see in 2026 season, on how it all pans out, that should IMHO be telling enough.

Errr...that in no way addresses my question.

You said, "Rogla requested for Remco" which I assume to mean Roglic lobbied someone in some way to have Remco join the team? I've never seen this suggested, let alone confirmed by anyone close to the team, by the riders, etc. I could have missed it.

So do you have a link to an article, post, or quote where someone who might know is saying this? Or did I misunderstand what you meant by "Rogla requested for Remco"? Thank you.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I think Roglic should, in hindsight, have never left Visma. Back when he did I thought it was his best move to leave Visma. But now I think he should have stayed and retired there.

If he never left visma there's no way he gets sent to a rainy and cold Paris nice 2024 to spend 8 days shivering, and I think he would then ride the Ardennes classics 2024. Other than that I don't think much changes. Maybe a slightly higher chance of podium the 2024 tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Errr...that in no way addresses my question.

You said, "Rogla requested for Remco" which I assume to mean Roglic lobbied someone in some way to have Remco join the team? I've never seen this suggested, let alone confirmed by anyone close to the team, by the riders, etc. I could have missed it.

So do you have a link to an article, post, or quote where someone who might know is saying this? Or did I misunderstand what you meant by "Rogla requested for Remco"? Thank you.

Of course he can't, because it didn't happen. Sometimes Abi is just writing stuff that he would like to be reality

 

[CyclistAbi]

@red_flanders

Lets leave this one for the 2026 season no real point delving into it too much ATM.

@Valv.Piti

Yeah.

 

[Valv.Piti]

He asks you a simple question. How do you know that that Roglic requested to ride with Remco? Unless you are just making up stuff, it should be easy to provide us with a link.

 

[red_flanders]

@red_flanders

Lets leave this one for the 2026 season no real point delving into it too much ATM.

@Valv.Piti

Yeah.

So you were just spouting nonsense. Par for the course unfortunately.

Your claim has nothing to do with what unfolds during the 2026 season. Obviously they'll get along.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@red_flanders

You seem to come to the same conclusion no matter the debate we have, links or no links, so that is that. As for them obviously getting together in the 2026 season, great, isn't it? Certainly worth a nod.

 

[Valv.Piti]

@red_flanders

You seem to come to the same conclusion no matter the debate we have, links or no links, so that is that. As for them obviously getting together in the 2026 season, great, isn't it? Certainly worth a nod.

Just give us a link that proves you are not just spouting nonsense, thats all he asks for.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Rogla will top 5 the 2026 tour above Remco and Lipo, making a mockery of the new team dynamic and throwing a spanner in the works of both riders near future tour ambitions

 

[CyclistAbi]

Just give us a link that proves you are not just spouting nonsense, thats all he asks for.

I am sure that over time some more details of this transfer will come to light, from all sides involved, and that should set it straight.

Rogla will top 5 the 2026 tour above Remco and Lipo, making a mockery of the new team dynamic and throwing a spanner in the works of both riders near future tour ambitions

Nah, Rogla was already second at the Tour and on top of that was a part of the winning team, won a stage ... Equalling that or improving, the rest is not worth it any more.

 

[Berniece]

Anyway, Rogla requested for Remco, to further strengthen the team and lets see on how that one pans out in 2026 season.

Roglic asked Denk in 2021 to try and get Remco because he knew he would eventually leave Visma at the end of 2023?

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Berniece

Indeed it was getting rather moot in between, for example you wanted for Remco to join Visma and SOQ and Visma wanted to merge at some point ... Now that is in the past, it all eventually settled in RBH and all parties involved seem to be rather happy about it. I am sure that they will all eventually share more details about it.

 

[red_flanders]

@red_flanders

You seem to come to the same conclusion no matter the debate we have, links or no links, so that is that. As for them obviously getting together in the 2026 season, great, isn't it? Certainly worth a nod.

True. My conclusions aren't exactly unwarranted though, are they?

But this is just you avoiding providing evidence for your assertion. I'm not even saying what you assert is unlikely, but I don't think you have one bit of actual information behind your statement. Just you floating another unsupported, un-factual comment.

General comments:
I (probably foolishly) have always thought of this forum as a resource for useful english-language cycling information. Posts which make unsupported assertions and even wildly incorrect statements, as yours so often do, should IMO be challenged.

If you have information, share it. If you are just making a guess, and that's all it is, fine. Just say so. Transparency, accuracy, and candor are always a good way to go. Agendas, obfuscation, and misinformation aren't.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Roglic actually requested for Fausto first, but he was too in demand, so he settled for Remco

 

[CyclistAbi]

@red_flanders

All in all i am rather sure that it will get revealed at some point in time, on what role Rogla played in this specific transfer. Feel free to have a take on it and after we can compare.

P.S. As for the rest, debatable.

 

[red_flanders]

@red_flanders

All in all i am rather sure that it will get revealed at some point in time, on what role Rogla played in this specific transfer. Feel free to have a take on it and after we can compare.

P.S. As for the rest, debatable.

So what exactly are you claiming Roglic's role was in the transfer? You've not even bothered to clarify what you're claiming. We have nothing to compare, as I have no take on it. I just asked for clarification, which you have pointedly avoided giving.

"Rogla requested for Remco" is as vague as it is unsupported. As @Berniece points out, the courtship between Bora and Remco long pre-dates Roglic's arrival on the team, so him "requesting for" Remco could have at most been a vote of support for a deal long in the works. Which is hardly a big surprise.

 

[SHAD0W93]

So what exactly are you claiming Roglic's role was in the transfer? You've not even bothered to clarify what you're claiming. We have nothing to compare, as I have no take on it. I just asked for clarification, which you have pointedly avoided giving.

"Rogla requested for Remco" is as vague as it is unsupported. As @Berniece points out, the courtship between Bora and Remco long pre-dates Roglic's arrival on the team, so him "requesting for" Remco could have at most been a vote of support for a deal long in the works. Which is hardly a big surprise.

Using the same logic, sounds like Evenepoel requested Roglic to come to Bora.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So what exactly are you claiming Roglic's role was in the transfer? You've not even bothered to clarify what you're claiming. We have nothing to compare, as I have no take on it. I just asked for clarification, which you have pointedly avoided giving.

You do seem to understand it, considering how riled up you are. Fine, you won't give anything to compare, for the future reference.

"Rogla requested for Remco" is as vague as it is unsupported. As @Berniece points out, the courtship between Bora and Remco long pre-dates Roglic's arrival on the team, so him "requesting for" Remco could have at most been a vote of support for a deal long in the works. Which is hardly a big surprise.

For as far as i remember @Berniece wanted for Remco to join team Rogla. Feel free to correct me.

Using the same logic, sounds like Evenepoel requested Roglic to come to Bora.

It was just meant to be.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So, do you reckon will all RBH leaders finish together, stage 1 of Tour 2026, or will any get dropped or left at home? Will they take yellow?