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Red Rick

Red Rick

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AlfaLum said:
Yeah Roglic is one of the best domestiques other riders could wish for.

He is the type of guy that gets even better when racing for his team mates and leaves everything he has on the tarmac if he is allowed to work for others.

Now back to reality.
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Helped Vingegaard win the Tour with a broken back, also hurting his own Vuelta bid later in the process.

Basically the biggest self-sacrifice in cycling of the decade, but ofcourse he's the most selfish rider in the peloton.
 
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AlfaLum

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Red Rick said:

Helped Vingegaard win the Tour with a broken back, also hurting his own Vuelta bid later in the process.

Basically the biggest self-sacrifice in cycling of the decade, but ofcourse he's the most selfish rider in the peloton.
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Yeah he did a very good race for Vingegaard a couple of times in situation where it was very much expected from him. So he is definitely not the most selfish rider in the peloton.

However I have seen him underwhelming quite often as well, so he is not really a good domestique either in my book.
 
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Berniece

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Red Rick said:
Roglic doesn't pull for teammates: straight to jail

Roglic does pull for teammates: believe it or not, also jail.

Everything is great at the Red Bull Brain Trust, because of jail.
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Roglic does a half pull, drops back as much as possible so he can win today. Shows his true colours again.

Red Rick said:

Helped Vingegaard win the Tour with a broken back, also hurting his own Vuelta bid later in the process.

Basically the biggest self-sacrifice in cycling of the decade, but ofcourse he's the most selfish rider in the peloton.
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In what world is that a big self sacrifice? He had no chance of winning himself. And to make matters worse. He crashes, is hurt, finds the power to help, and then decides he rather go for Vuelta instead of helping teammate win TDF. Because it wasn’t a done deal, Vingegaard could still have used his help. Then karma struck in Vuelta 2022.
 
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canina82

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Roglic doesn't work for his teammates: Selfish
Roglic doesn't work for Pogacar (Slovenia): he has a free card because of his status.

The logic.
 
Red Rick

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Berniece said:
Roglic does a half pull, drops back as much as possible so he can win today. Shows his true colours again.


In what world is that a big self sacrifice? He had no chance of winning himself. And to make matters worse. He crashes, is hurt, finds the power to help, and then decides he rather go for Vuelta instead of helping teammate win TDF. Because it wasn’t a done deal, Vingegaard could still have used his help. Then karma struck in Vuelta 2022.
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He could've gone home as early as the end of the first week.

And staying wouldn't have done anything, because he was getting worse as the race went on. He was 3rd on PdBF, on the Galibier he basically had 10 minutes of fire in him, and by the time they were approaching the Pyrenees he was in the gruppetto, so all that continuing do was damage one of their top riders.


But I expect nothing less for a rider who got absolutely torched for not riding for a trade teammate at the WC.
 
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Rackham

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Every so often there's a parade of posters dropping in here telling us the reason they don't like Rog is because he's selfish. Okay.

I'm actually convinced there's something very strange that happens to people regarding this rider. It's either hyper hype ala cyclistabi (no comment) or these sorts of Ackchyually explanations where people who don't like Rog (& never did, for whatever reasons) try to justify it by citing pseudo neutral positions like "he's selfish!" when easily available facts disprove the assertion.

Just breathe guys. He's a 36 year old rider in the last year of his contract. Nothing more, nothing less. The angst is just weird.
 
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Valv.Piti

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Well, he's in the break today. I still have no clue why you wouldn't prepare properly for this race, especially with his schedule with basically one race left of the season, but even with these legs, he should be able to win if given enough time by the peloton.
 
Berniece

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Red Rick said:
He could've gone home as early as the end of the first week.

And staying wouldn't have done anything, because he was getting worse as the race went on. He was 3rd on PdBF, on the Galibier he basically had 10 minutes of fire in him, and by the time they were approaching the Pyrenees he was in the gruppetto, so all that continuing do was damage one of their top riders.


But I expect nothing less for a rider who got absolutely torched for not riding for a trade teammate at the WC.
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He could have done more, just domestique duty, but that’s just not his cup of tea. Which this season proved again. Didn’t make an effort in Basque, Tirreno was fine because he was close in standings himself, now in Romandie the same as in Basque. You can be fooled by his performance yesterday, but I’m not. Fact that Lipowitz didn’t help in his group stage 1 says enough.
 
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For a first I never subscribed to the X does Y = X is Y. People are more multi faceted.

Where does Rogla live? I genuinely don't know. Not asking where he's from, but where he lives nowadays 😊
 
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Competent level from him. He could have easily top 10 this race but obviously doesn't care about it (nor should he).
Trust the process. He'll be torching people in September.
 
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Red Rick

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Probably not 3rd best, but still pretty decent.

It would lend some credence to the claim he didn't train for Romandie if he's getting a bit better now but both previous 2 days his pulls were stronger than it seemed IMO because after he pulled off the pace dropped and it's hard dropping a large amount of guys on a shallow gradient
 
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dazaau

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Berniece said:
I think he’s one of the most selfish people in the peloton. Can’t be bothered to train, can’t be bothered to help his teammates properly.
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Is he in decline or just lazy? You can't have it both ways! If he is just lazy maybe he can win the tour after all if he just trained, given his base level from sitting on the couch 😂
 
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In modern cycling breakaway win is more of an exception then a rule, still the performance today was superb. Pogi for example would IMHO be afraid to go so early and to ride in such fashion. If there is anything left in the tank tomorrow is another good opportunity. There was a plethora of RBH riders all over the ultimate climb, that is an obvious improvement too. At some point it looked that even Finn will make it through.

As for some debates. Itzulia tactics, some things RBH did there tactically got sorted out, as seen in stage 1. So Rogla raising voice is only something to commend. As for Rogličes leadership, the number of times he basically pulled one of the youngsters aside and said what are you doing ... Both youngsters now basically a superstars already and riding tactically sound. Remco for example never rode with Rogla and IMHO it shows. As for previous season, on where Rogla was still undisputed leader, RBH won a mayor one week stage race in spring campaign.

Anyway, the way things stand ATM, they are riding at around 60% capacity, as team. So still plenty of things that can improve in the future. Cian, for example, was too young to take on such burden, for Rogla it's a breeze. As for Rogla this today was his peak performance so far in this season and i am sure there is more to come.

As for BS and unapologetic people, Rogla forgives you.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
In modern cycling breakaway win is more of an exception then a rule, still the performance today was superb. Pogi for example would IMHO be afraid to go so early and to ride in such fashion. If there is anything left in the tank tomorrow is another good opportunity. There was a plethora of RBH riders all over the ultimate climb, that is an obvious improvement too. At some point it looked that even Finn will make it through.

As for some debates. Itzulia tactics, some things RBH did there tactically got sorted out, as seen in stage 1. So Rogla raising voice is only something to commend. As for Rogličes leadership, the number of times he basically pulled one of the youngsters aside and said what are you doing ... Both youngsters now basically a superstars already and riding tactically sound. Remco for example never rode with Rogla and IMHO it shows. As for previous season, on where Rogla was still undisputed leader, RBH won a mayor one week stage race in spring campaign.

Anyway, the way things stand ATM, they are riding at around 60% capacity, as team. So still plenty of things that can improve in the future. Cian, for example, was too young to take on such burden, for Rogla it's a breeze. As for Rogla this today was his peak performance so far in this season and i am sure there is more to come.

As for BS and unapologetic people, Rogla forgives you.
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Where's the missing 40 %?
 
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