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[acm]

Chute dans le peloton! chute à l'arrière!

Just kidding. He'll take it easy & learn. I still think cobbles are most certainly not his forte (he's too light), but it's just a matter of surviving that cobbled Tour de France stage this summer & today is part of that process.

I don't think it's just about surviving. Maybe today, but on TDF I have a feeling that a whole team TJV will go full gas and try to attack others, especially UAE with Pog. I heard that Roglic also trained on TDF cobbles...

 

[Gregor_Slovenia]

Will Primož win this?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Natural born cobbler.

 

[SafeBet]

Among the strongest on cobbles today, despite probably not taking any risks.
I'm sure he'll be fine at the Tour.

 

[Rackham]

I don't think it's just about surviving. Maybe today, but on TDF I have a feeling that a whole team TJV will go full gas and try to attack others, especially UAE with Pog. I heard that Roglic also trained on TDF cobbles...

I agree, actually, i.e. as this Denain race just proved, Roglic has some serious skills on all terrain.

 

[No Risk No Glory]

That was some nice training ride
Good fight and well done on the cobbles. Expected more from his team, though...

 

[Red Rick]

Sad they pulled that group back

 

[Carols]

Here I was just hoping he wouldn't crash, and he shows he Can ride cobbles Just Fine Shame the group was caught, but nice demo of cobble skills! Now Please No Rain on cobbles at TdF!

 

[Lequack]

Natural born cobbler.

You could say he only rides road because there aren't enough cobbles in the world.

 

[bNator]

Well he was far from defending on TDF 2018 stage 9 (i think it was 9). They had to pull him back a couple of times. No signs of weakness on cobbles then and no signs on weakness on cobbles today...

 

[CyclistAbi]

Winning PN.
He has no chance at the Tour.
Finishing 36 on Grand Prix de Denain.
Now we are talking.

P.S. There is just no way Netflix can tell the story right.

 

[johnymax]

An exquisite piece of racing that was today, Rogla. Gracefully stomping on those cobbled sectors. Poggio awaits...

 

[Red Rick]

Positioning remains am issue. At least 3 or 4 times I saw him alone eating wind while Vam Aert was on the other side of the peloton with Jumbo chilling. Definitely strong but accumulated fatigue from bad positions *** him

 

[Rackham]

Positioning remains am issue. At least 3 or 4 times I saw him alone eating wind while Vam Aert was on the other side of the peloton with Jumbo chilling. Definitely strong but accumulated fatigue from bad positions *** him

Yep, just like Flèche last year. Today he blew some cartridges catching up from way back on the Cipressa & then again on the Poggio.

It's not a huge deal tbh (in a GT the climbs are long & his legs do the talking), but he needs to make sure he's better positioned in the FW on the Mur de Huy next month. That's the one day race I think he really does need to add to his palmarès.

 

[Eeslliw]

Positioning remains am issue. At least 3 or 4 times I saw him alone eating wind while Vam Aert was on the other side of the peloton with Jumbo chilling. Definitely strong but accumulated fatigue from bad positions *** him

It would be interesting to see avg watts for Roglic and Pogacar until Poggio. One data showed during todays race was Roglic's avg watts and one guy's from the breakaway for first 3hrs or something. Well Roglic had 230W and breakaway guy 260W. To me it seems rather small difference, which would support his bad positioning and overall inefficient riding in the bunch.

 

[Red Rick]

It would be interesting to see avg watts for Roglic and Pogacar until Poggio. One data showed during todays race was Roglic's avg watts and one guy's from the breakaway for first 3hrs or something. Well Roglic had 230W and breakaway guy 260W. To me it seems rather small difference, which would support his bad positioning and overall inefficient riding in the bunch.

Yeah saw that too, that seemd way too high for that early in Sanremo

 

[CyclistAbi]

Today i would say that it made much sense for Rogla to be tucked in somewhere in the back and to after do his job at Cipressa and especially at Poggio. He came to this race as a support for van Aert and in my opinion he did a stellar job.

 

[Red Rick]

Today i would say that it made much sense for Rogla to be tucked in somewhere in the back and to after do his job at Cipressa and especially at Poggio. He came to this race as a support for van Aert and in my opinion he did a stellar job.

In hindsight he probably should not havr moved up on the Poggio and just moved up naturally instead of breaking himself following all the big attacks

 

[roundabout]

stellar job would have been being there for Van Aert after the Poggio downhill

 

[bajbar]

Positioning remains am issue. At least 3 or 4 times I saw him alone eating wind while Vam Aert was on the other side of the peloton with Jumbo chilling. Definitely strong but accumulated fatigue from bad positions *** him

Absolutely. Going in to Cipressa he dropped 50 positions in the peloton in a span of 20 seconds. He started the climb like at least 10-15 seconds later than the rest of the Jumbo train at the front. And then he managed to drop from WvAs wheel before going into the Poggio and he was at the back of the group all of a sudden.

With better positioning he would be in the van Aert group on the downhill. But I think that even if he was there Wout would not win it. Firstly it would be a 1 on 1 with Roglič vs Mohorič, since other riders would not help pulling the group. And even if they caught him Wout would probably get outsprinted by van der Poel, Matthews and Pedersen. So in reality, not much Jumbo could have done better. The only mistake besides Roglič's positioning was Wout not being directly on the wheel of Moho when he went for the descent. Pogačar left a gap that was already too big when Wout got to the front.

 

[Rackham]

stellar job would have been being there for Van Aert after the Poggio downhill

It seems crazy to me that this is even a conversation.

I think in recent years the all-terrain superstars like Pogacar, WvA, van der Poel etc. have spoilt fans of the sport (or at least have made everyone have unreal expectations), i.e. Primoz Roglic is not a one day race specialist, he isn't a monument specialist & he certainly isn't a Milan-Sanremo specialist either.

He's a GT rider with a great uphill kick (one of the best), a great TT (one of the best) & great experience in racing & winning stage races. No one busted Egan Bernal's ****'s about Milan-Sanremo a week after he won Paris-Nice in 2019, so IMO Roglic has already done way more to diversify his race calendar (& help a teammate) than most riders in his category are expected to do.

 

[CyclistAbi]

stellar job would have been being there for Van Aert after the Poggio downhill

No i don't agree with that. Roglič was on this race to help bring van Aert through Cipressa and if possible Poggio.

P.S. And who was that in front of van Aert at the top of Poggio?

 

[CyclistAbi]

In hindsight he probably should not havr moved up on the Poggio and just moved up naturally instead of breaking himself following all the big attacks

In my opinion the idea today was for Roglič to not be seen unless we are talking about summits of Cipressa or Poggio. And obviously for van Aert to be at the back of his wheel.

 

[roundabout]

No i don't agree with that. Roglič was on this race to help bring van Aert through Cipressa and if possible Poggio.

P.S. And who was that in front of van Aert at the top of Poggio?

if making over Cipressa and getting to the Poggio with the main group counts as a stellar job, plenty of riders do that every year

and that kind of goes against the definition of stellar

 

[CyclistAbi]

if making over Cipressa and getting to the Poggio with the main group counts as a stellar job, plenty of riders do that every year

and that kind of goes against the definition of stellar

AFAIK before the race most were like Pogačar will attack at Cipressa and will win this race. Without that sentiment i doubt Roglič would even participate in this race today.

Now what you are actually blaming Roglič for is on why didn't he cover Mohorič attack. The answer for that is simple. Nobody could do that today. But lets say for the sake of the argument Roglič would manage to do exactly that today. In that case what would happen is he would drop van Aert.