Explosion at Boston Marathon

[shalgo]

Currently stuck inside--received a town police auto-call at 6:30 am today saying that everyone was to stay inside. I am in the town next to the one where the shootout happened last night--about 3 km away.

 

[thirteen]

Currently stuck inside--received a town police auto-call at 6:30 am today saying that everyone was to stay inside. I am in the town next to the one where the shootout happened last night--about 3 km away.

good! stay inside and stay safe!

 

[VeloCity]

Well, if these guys are the perps then Salon's David Sirota's heart will be well and truly broken. He wished with all his might it would be a white conservative. This will truly set his cause back a bit.

Shame on that guy.

Your relief that it wasn't white conservatives is palpable, Scott.

A Chechen link, now that I did not expect. All still very confusing and inconclusive but it sounds as though the younger brother has been living in the US for at least 4 years (according to schoolmates) and one of them - I'm assuming the older - was a legal permanent resident, so I assume he's been living in the US for quite a while as well (Chechnyan officials are claiming that they "grew up" in the US). Still too early to know exactly what the motivation was of course, but initially sounds like a weird hybrid of the "foreign jihadist-nationalist" and "Columbine-type disenfranchised US kids" categories.

 

[thirteen]

still does not compute: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...thon-bomber/8gbczia4qBiWMAP0SQhViO/story.html

 

[plooton]

(Czechia x Chechnya)

Should consider rename the country. Stand for Czechlands

 

[Descender]

Currently stuck inside--received a town police auto-call at 6:30 am today saying that everyone was to stay inside. I am in the town next to the one where the shootout happened last night--about 3 km away.

Stay safe man.

 

[thirteen]

wow, that interview with the uncle was painful! shame on the vulture reporters!

from the Guardian blog:

The Guardian's Matt Williams reports on the impassioned statement just now by Ruslan Tsarni, an uncle of the suspects:

Tsarni said Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev had “put a shame" not only their family but "the entire Chechen ethnicity."

Speaking to reporters outside him home in Montgomery Village, Maryland, Ruslan Tsarni said he called on the younger brother – believed to be still at large – to surrender to police.

“I say Dzhokhar, if you are alive turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness from the victims, from the injured.”

Tsarni said of the suspect: “He put a shame on our family, he put a shame on the entire Chechen ethnicity.”

He added that Chechens were “peaceful people”.

Tsarni said his family was suffering like those of the victims of Monday's bombing, but he also asked for their forgiveness. “With the families of those who suffered, we are suffering with them, their grief. I'm ready to kneel in front of them and ask their forgiveness.”

 

[frenchfry]

I don't care about that. I like to dress like Kris Kross.

What I don't get is how somebody could be living like that at this point in time, and actually I think that pic log was taken 5 years ago so they had only been here 5 years, or fled 5 years earlier. WTF. Mix in the hyper-religious Islam ****, it is easy to piece together WTF is going on here.

There's a bunch of BS going on in this country that people don't realize.

The French press refuses to make any reference to "Muslim" or "Islam" in their reports on this situation.

This is entirely consistant with the politicaly correct slant to any news here.

 

[plooton]

wow, that interview with the uncle was painful! shame on the vulture reporters!

from the Guardian blog:

The questions might have been inconsiderate, but accurate in that sense, and first of all, he handled the whole interview with brilliance.

 

[thirteen]

The questions might have been inconsiderate, but accurate in that sense, and first of all, he handled the whole interview with brilliance.

that he did.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Your relief that it wasn't white conservatives is palpable, Scott.

Not so much. The "group think" mentality is really a domain of the committed progressive. Not limited to dudes like David Sirota, but white guilt plays a huge part.

So, Sirota, a white guy, comes out openly hoping it's a white (conservative) guy... and writes a column about why. Then he writes another column defending his first column.

Then, get this: he writes a column titled "Boston aftermath brings out America's worst prejudices."

No sh!t. Well, Dave, maybe look in the mirror and discover prejudice never known before.

I cant believe this guy gets taken seriously. Scratch that. I can believe it.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I did see the US Army on the streets, how about that...

Martial Law Downtown Boston.

WTF.

 

[plooton]

The French press refuses to make any reference to "Muslim" or "Islam" in their reports on this situation.

This is entirely consistant with the politicaly correct slant to any news here.

That really bothers. Political correctness often hinders the truth or reality to come through. And so as in this case, where the Muslim aspect seems to be a factor in this case. For example, one of the two had a terrorist section (videos) and Muslim preaching sections on his YouTube profile.

 

[Scott SoCal]

The French press refuses to make any reference to "Muslim" or "Islam" in their reports on this situation.

This is entirely consistant with the politicaly correct slant to any news here.

Or here....

 

[VeloCity]

Not so much. The "group think" mentality is really a domain of the committed progressive. Not limited to dudes like David Sirota, but white guilt plays a huge part.

So, Sirota, a white guy, comes out openly hoping it's a white (conservative) guy... and write a column about why. Then he writes another column defending his first column.

Then, get this: he writes a column titled "Boston aftermath brings out America's worst prejudices."

No sh!t. Well, Dave, maybe look in the mirror and discover prejudice never know before.

I cant believe this guy gets taken seriously. Scratch that. I can believe it.

So where do all of the accusations on right-wing blogs that the perps were almost certainly filthy left-wing white OWSs fit into that worldview of "progressive white guilt"? But I doubt that you were overly offended by those, eh. btw if you want to see some amazing group-think, go read the comments on gatewaypundit. Your people. You should see how relieved they are over there that the perps are foreign Muslims.

Anyway, there's probably no real answer to this, but where exactly is the line between "domestic" and "foreign" terrorism? Reports now are that the younger brother at least has been living in the US since he was 9, spoke English without a trace of an accent, had tons of friends, for all intents and purposes sounds like came across as a normal ethnic-American kid. Somewhere along the way the older apparently became a radicalized Muslim/Chechen nationalist, but he's been living in the US for years as well. "Foreigners" and yet local kids at the same time. Domestic or foreign? Not that it really matters, mind.

 

[thirteen]

http://boston.cbslocal.com/live-video/

https://twitter.com/Dzhokhar_A

no, this is the (supposedly) real twitter account: https://twitter.com/J_tsar

 

[frenchfry]

Or here....

I have read reports in the Washington Post that clearly make the radical Islam connection.

From other reports I have read, there was a higher probability of the attack being caused by American radical groups than foreign ones. Without attempting to generate irrational reactions, it is useful to indicate the motivation behind such inhuman acts.

 

[VeloCity]

I have read reports in the Washington Post that clearly make the radical Islam connection.

The older was a radicalized Muslim but the younger apparently was not. According to his friends he was just a normal "American" kid.

 

[frenchfry]

Excuse me but it is supposed that any suspect is innocent until it is proved without any doubd that s/he is guilty. So I really don't understand why the FBI puplish photos of the suspects, and show their faces in public. If these people are proved innocent it would be totally unfair to have their photos online as criminals, or terrorists etc.

Unless they have a camera evidence that shows them to put somewhere the bombs.. but I suppose that they don't have such evidences..

If we take your logic a little further, it would be impossible to convict anyone of a crime because the presumption of innocence would prohibit charging them. After all, charging someone of a crime before they have been proven guilty would be wrong!

I think your understanding of the application of the principal of presumption of innocence is a little simplistic.

 

[VeloCity]

Or here....

btw did you even bother to read Sirota's article or are you just regurgitating the title? I just read it. It's not at all what you are making it out to be. All he's talking about is the double standard of how we respond to domestic terrorists (most of whom are indeed white conservative extremists) versus how we respond to foreign terrorists, and that he hopes it is a white American so as to avoid the overreaction that we tend to have when it's foreign terrorism.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/17/i_still_hope_the_bomber_is_a_white_american/

 

[python]

a lot of confusion and misinformation out there regarding the chechen involvement...

it does appear the 2 brothers were of chechen ethnicity by virtue of being born from the parents they did not choose. but neither they ever lived in chechnya nor were they born in chechnya.

this was confirmed by their uncle in the interview and the officials of chechnya. if anything, both grew up in america with the younger one living in the states more than half his life.

it does also appear they followed of islam.

 

[Scott SoCal]

So where do all of the accusations on right-wing blogs that the perps were almost certainly filthy left-wing white OWSs fit into that worldview of "progressive white guilt"? But I doubt that you were overly offended by those, eh. btw if you want to see some amazing group-think, go read the comments on gatewaypundit. Your people. You should see how relieved they are over there that the perps are foreign Muslims.

Anyway, there's probably no real answer to this, but where exactly is the line between "domestic" and "foreign" terrorism? Reports now are that the younger brother at least has been living in the US since he was 9, spoke English without a trace of an accent, had tons of friends, for all intents and purposes sounds like came across as a normal ethnic-American kid. Somewhere along the way the older apparently became a radicalized Muslim/Chechen nationalist, but he's been living in the US for years as well. "Foreigners" and yet local kids at the same time. Domestic or foreign? Not that it really matters, mind.

Somewhere Saul Alynski is smiling.

 

[VeloCity]

a lot of confusion and misinformation out there regarding the chechen involvement...

it does appear the 2 brothers were of chechen ethnicity by virtue of being born from the parents they did not choose. but neither they ever lived in chechnya nor were they born in chechnya.

this was confirmed by their uncle in the interview and the officials of chechnya. if anything, both grew up in america with the younger one living in the states more than half his life.

Good summary of the brothers here:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...NPR&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20130419

 

[Scott SoCal]

btw did you even bother to read Sirota's article or are you just regurgitating the title? I just read it. It's not at all what you are making it out to be. All he's talking about is the double standard of how we respond to domestic terrorists (most of whom are indeed white conservative extremists) versus how we respond to foreign terrorists, and that he hopes it is a white American so as to avoid the overreaction that we tend to have when it's foreign terrorism.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/17/i_still_hope_the_bomber_is_a_white_american/

Read it word for word. Read the follow up word for word. The the "prejudice" piece word for word.

He's something. I'm not at all surprised he appeals to you.

 

[VeloCity]

Somewhere Saul Alynski is smiling.

Man talk about group think. Saul Alinsky? Surely you guys have a new folk hero by now.