Teams & Riders Filippo Ganna Discussion Thread

[proffate]

He rode the last 4 km in 4'04" which is only 5" slower than his IP time on the track.
Not bad.

Tailwind..

Anyway, why no rvv? Perhaps a sign he's all in on pr. But he actually did better last year at rvv than pr. That doesn't mean he has a better chance at rvv, it just feels weird to sit out a major race when the form is right. He's got a rare chance to sneak away given that he's maybe 5th favorite.

 

[Unchained]

Ganna is a big dude, don't know what the rotation is for one piece cockpits, but broken handlebars are completely unacceptable, Don't know if under the Trek product umbrella the cockpit is Bontrager but if your bars break without crashing that is BS. Riders as violent as Milan are ripping at the handlebars with all his might, they better hope that is a one off piece that got passed quality control.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Ganna is a big dude, don't know what the rotation is for one piece cockpits, but broken handlebars are completely unacceptable, Don't know if under the Trek product umbrella the cockpit is Bontrager but if your bars break without crashing that is BS. Riders as violent as Milan are ripping at the handlebars with all his might, they better hope that is a one off piece that got passed quality control.

I may be misunderstanding your post, but Ganna rides a Pinarello with their branded kit. Not sure which factory it comes from. Reason for breakage has been stated as overtighting the lever.
Personally if I was Ganna's mechanic I would use the biggest spanner in the box to tighten his bars.

 

[Unchained]

I may be misunderstanding your post, but Ganna rides a Pinarello with their branded kit. Not sure which factory it comes from. Reason for breakage has been stated as overtighting the lever.
Personally if I was Ganna's mechanic I would use the biggest spanner in the box to tighten his bars.

Pinarello plays the game like majority of bicycle companies, frames, forks, seat posts and cockpits primarily made in Taiwan. Pinarello has an accessory brand, Most which is there in house brand for components.
I am not surprised that handlebars are no longer fool proof and that routine over torque from brake-shifter assembly could cause a failure and possible death or injury.
I would guess that there would have to be two specs, one from Sram and Shimano specifying torque for lever assembly and another from bar manufacturer saying our bars are weak and cheesy so go easy with non torque wrench hex key

 

[Mayomaniac]

Tailwind..

Anyway, why no rvv? Perhaps a sign he's all in on pr. But he actually did better last year at rvv than pr. That doesn't mean he has a better chance at rvv, it just feels weird to sit out a major race when the form is right. He's got a rare chance to sneak away given that he's maybe 5th favorite.

Did a 160km Roubaix recon ride 2 days ago, he's all in on Roubaix.

 

[canina82]

Did a 160km Roubaix recon ride 2 days ago, he's all in on Roubaix.

Did the same in 2023.

 

[jmdirt]

Personally if I was Ganna's mechanic I would use the biggest spanner in the box to tighten his bars.

That was the problem, so neither they nor you should be around the tool box.

You use a spanner to install brake levers?! Is there anything on modern bikes that a spanner is used for? Maybe spanner means something different in your location than mine?

 

[jmdirt]

Pinarello plays the game like majority of bicycle companies, frames, forks, seat posts and cockpits primarily made in Taiwan. Pinarello has an accessory brand, Most which is there in house brand for components.
I am not surprised that handlebars are no longer fool proof and that routine over torque from brake-shifter assembly could cause a failure and possible death or injury.
I would guess that there would have to be two specs, one from Sram and Shimano specifying torque for lever assembly and another from bar manufacturer saying our bars are weak and cheesy so go easy with non torque wrench hex key

I was, and am willing to add grams to my cockpit to avoid front end failure!

 

[Unchained]

I was, and am willing to add grams to my cockpit to avoid front end failure!

It's sort of a testament to engineering genius that levers are almost unchanged in the way they are attached to the handlebars. Great, proven, strong design, few moving parts. Contact points for me are not a place to save weight, if I drink and eat less the grams saved or gained, self cancelling. For all my starting years of riding and racing, didn't see broken seatposts, seat rails, pedal spindles, bottom bracket spindles, bars and stems routinely breaking.. Sure it happened, rare. I remember the famous photo of big George Hindcappie laying in a pile because of a bar or stem failure at Paris Roubaix, have to ask.. Was the weight savings worth it?

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UZg1vrvGbdE&pp=ygUfR2VvcmdlIEhpbmRjYXBwaWUgYmFycyBicmVha2luZw%3D%3D

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NvAnLHGrPtw

 

[Wyndbrook]

That was the problem, so neither they nor you should be around the tool box.

You use a spanner to install brake levers?! Is there anything on modern bikes that a spanner is used for? Maybe spanner means something different in your location than mine?

Many many years ago I worked for a time as a saturday boy in a bike shop. 'Give it some spanner' was the general term used to ensure everything was tightened up and the customer not coming back with a crank or wheel in his hand.
Begrudingly I have recently invested in a torque wrench. One of my hobbies is restoring bikes likely made before you were born, so I still spanners of many shapes and sizes.

 

[jmdirt]

Many many years ago I worked for a time as a saturday boy in a bike shop. 'Give it some spanner' was the general term used to ensure everything was tightened up and the customer not coming back with a crank or wheel in his hand.
Begrudingly I have recently invested in a torque wrench. One of my hobbies is restoring bikes likely made before you were born, so I still spanners of many shapes and sizes.

I was born in 1968, so as you imply, I'm young!

I've got a huge road chest tool box full of wrenches/spanners that don't get used much anymore. I came to cycling from moto (1990) as a disciple of torque wrenches. I still have one that I bought in the '70s, (bar) and one that I bought in '86 (set and click), but I have several small preset nm ones now for bike work.

When I was in the Army working on tanks they ordered us to use torque wrenches on the Abrams turbines.

 

[proffate]

I was, and am willing to add grams to my cockpit to avoid front end failure!

I suspect ganna would be as well, especially on courses like these where 50-100g matters not one iota. But the manufacturers are chasing grams bc that's what sells high end bikes, and producing a stronger version for gannas on cobbles is simply too costly.

 

[proffate]

It's sort of a testament to engineering genius that levers are almost unchanged in the way they are attached to the handlebars. Great, proven, strong design, few moving parts. Contact points for me are not a place to save weight, if I drink and eat less the grams saved or gained, self cancelling. For all my starting years of riding and racing, didn't see broken seatposts, seat rails, pedal spindles, bottom bracket spindles, bars and stems routinely breaking.. Sure it happened, rare. I remember the famous photo of big George Hindcappie laying in a pile because of a bar or stem failure at Paris Roubaix, have to ask.. Was the weight savings worth it?

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UZg1vrvGbdE&pp=ygUfR2VvcmdlIEhpbmRjYXBwaWUgYmFycyBicmVha2luZw%3D%3D

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NvAnLHGrPtw

Hincapie's steerer failed bc of poor engineering, i.e. rudimentary understanding of carbon fiber layups. These days carbon fiber steerers are bombproof, so the engineers and industry collectively learned their lesson. I am glad that so many things are carbon now and other tech has advanced because not only are modern bikes faster and more capable they are vastly more comfortable. My ride today was on roads both so broken and so steep that I would simply not have bothered with older tires and gear ratios. So hincapie suffered for being a guinea pig but ultimately we all benefited.

On the other hand, chasing 5g grams to be able to say your product is the lightest without any consideration for whether those last three grams actually matter is in fact pretty pointless --- that's, unfortunately, market forces at work.

I will say the one piece cockpits do seem at least a little less failure prone because there's one less clamping point required.

 

[Unchained]

Hincapie's steerer failed bc of poor engineering, i.e. rudimentary understanding of carbon fiber layups. These days carbon fiber steerers are bombproof, so the engineers and industry collectively learned their lesson. I am glad that so many things are carbon now and other tech has advanced because not only are modern bikes faster and more capable they are vastly more comfortable. My ride today was on roads both so broken and so steep that I would simply not have bothered with older tires and gear ratios. So hincapie suffered for being a guinea pig but ultimately we all benefited.

On the other hand, chasing 5g grams to be able to say your product is the lightest without any consideration for whether those last three grams actually matter is in fact pretty pointless --- that's, unfortunately, market forces at work.

I will say the one piece cockpits do seem at least a little less failure prone because there's one less clamping point required.

Waaaat. Bombfroof?
They just showed you dozens if not hundreds of bar and stem designs that are subject to everything..
Over tightening?
Are you kidding me!!!
Millions of hobbyists that don't own a torque wrench, wouldn't know a Newton meter if he asked for a dance.
The industry and the people policing it are a technical terrorist organization.
They don't know their as- from a hole in ground.
Millions of riders can't be bothered with ridiculous tech specs, bars and stems should be unbreakable, certainly never, ever, ever, ever subject to some guy making a quarter turn too much on a brake lever, in a garage, at 11pm before his wife or kid races. ..
insane you should be able to strip the bolt before the bars fail..
Like for the first @125 years of bike racing. Nobody should need a scale or toque wrench, technical advisor to change brake rubber and bar tape..
Absolutely insane.
You should be able to buy a second hand bike, give the bars and stem a shake,
A once over and rewrap without an X-Ray machine to ensure bars are not going snap for some salt being sprinkled, or someone washing the bars to hard..really?
I mean really? Seriously? Deda, TTT, Nitto, Cincelli, specs that gave millions confidence are trashed? NFW bar and stem manufacturers were industry pilars..products robust to survive, wear, tear, crash here and , never, ever a question of durability.. The industry and oversight, show again, absolutely, nothing, absolutely nothing can be taken for granted. Who is harmed by adoption of specs that have bars stems thick enough ( heavy enough) to last for generations.. Things never, didn't, couldn't wear out are breaking.. F that
Entry riders, families, juniors should know if you buy a heavy boat for @$200-400 bucks, you will break before the parts do.. Like for last 100+ years

 

[aphronesis]

Waaaat. Bombfroof?
They just showed you dozens if not hundreds of bar and stem designs that are subject to everything..
Over tightening?
Are you kidding me!!!
Millions of hobbyists that don't own a torque wrench, wouldn't know a Newton meter if he asked for a dance.
The industry and the people policing it are a technical terrorist organization.
They don't know their as- from a hole in ground.
Millions of riders can't be bothered with ridiculous tech specs, bars and stems should be unbreakable, certainly never, ever, ever, ever subject to some guy making a quarter turn too much on a brake lever, in a garage, at 11pm before his wife or kid races. ..
insane you should be able to strip the bolt before the bars fail..
Like for the first @125 years of bike racing. Nobody should need a scale or toque wrench, technical advisor to change brake rubber and bar tape..
Absolutely insane.
You should be able to buy a second hand bike, give the bars and stem a shake,
A once over and rewrap without an X-Ray machine to ensure bars are not going snap for some salt being sprinkled, or someone washing the bars to hard..really?
I mean really? Seriously? Deda, TTT, Nitto, Cincelli, specs that gave millions confidence are trashed? NFW bar and stem manufacturers were industry pilars..products robust to survive, wear, tear, crash here and , never, ever a question of durability.. The industry and oversight, show again, absolutely, nothing, absolutely nothing can be taken for granted. Who is harmed by adoption of specs that have bars stems thick enough ( heavy enough) to last for generations.. Things never, didn't, couldn't wear out are breaking.. F that
Entry riders, families, juniors should know if you buy a heavy boat for @$200-400 bucks, you will break before the parts do.. Like for last 100+ years

No issue with Nitto, but mine may not be road race spec.