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If we want to talk about the financing of races, let's also bring in the sportif element, as that is becoming an increasingly important revenue stream for organisers (look to the size of ASO's sportif arm, look to all the races that currently have them attached). We could also look at the recent American race and associated music festival.
This is what a mixed financial model entails, for race organisers.
John - a simple, calm reminder: you said none of this was an option. You said, and I quote: "The organizers also can't charge admission from the fans or sell t-shirts and beer." That is simply not true. The extent of it we can debate. But we cannot debate that it is not happening.ScienceIsCool said:fmk_RoI said:I think all the race organisers treat that as market sensitive information: we know it's part of their financial model - and looking at the way it's being done in Flanders they appear to like it, and the fact that ASO have twice used stadia this year suggests they like it too - but we don't know its actual contribution.ScienceIsCool said:fmk_RoI said:]Ok, so now you accept it is part of the current financial model but want to say that that doesn't matter...I'm sorry, but it either is something that can and is being done, or it isn't.
If you don't understand what a mixed financial model actually means, I'm not the guy who's going to explain it to you.
The problem is that too many don't want a mixed model, they want a single solution, all the money coming in from one source (ASO's TV revenue, usually).
How much do these glorified beer gardens bring in as a percentage of total revenue? Facts please! Cite your sources and submit your papers for review! <As a certain know it all likes to say>
John Swanson
But this is progress: at a cost of a lot of unnecessary personal abuse I have at least moved you from your initial, inaccurate statement.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of other financial myths to be busted yet...
<hand waving> You've moved me from nothing. How much are broadcast rights worth for Flanders? What's your spitball estimate for finish line beer garden revenue? No numbers means you've got no idea. This is the exact same thing you beat on others for. You, sir, are full of carp.
John Swanson
If we want to talk about the financing of races, let's also bring in the sportif element, as that is becoming an increasingly important revenue stream for organisers (look to the size of ASO's sportif arm, look to all the races that currently have them attached). We could also look at the recent American race and associated music festival.
This is what a mixed financial model entails, for race organisers.