First person to beat Fabian Cancellara...

[Willy_Voet]

...in three years?

Rolf Aldag:

"Tony Martin comes off a very successful Tour de Suisse where he held the yellow jersey for the first part of the race and won the closing time trial, making him the first person to beat Fabian Cancellara in a time trial in three years."

Misquote, or amnesia?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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[ferryman]

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Not called for sir.

 

[happychappy]

He forgot his travel charger.

 

[isayic]

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I'm from Germany and you should think before you write such a crap. It rather looks that you believe lies otherwise you wouldn't have written this.

Back to the topic of this thread:
I think that Aldac was asleep when Alberto Contator beat Cancellara in the Tour de France 2009.

 

[Straßenrennen]

Or the 4th biggest tour in may when Martin hammered Canc in the TT.

P.S: To my fellow germans did anyone see Michael Mittermeier in south africa? This guy is very very funny ^^.

 

[Nearly]

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Not if you are talking Tour de Suisse where Cancellara has wone every ITT since Jan Ullrich back in 2006.

[I stand corrected as FC did not win the only ITT in 2008 although he won 2 other stages that year (which may have confused Aldag). In 07, 09 and 10 there were 2 ITTs so before Martin's win this year that was 5 out of 6 ITTs in the last 3 years for the motorised marvel]

 

[Anonymous]

Or the 4th biggest tour in may when Martin hammered Canc in the TT.

P.S: To my fellow germans did anyone see Michael Mittermeier in south africa? This guy is very very funny ^^.

or an aso race in oman earlier in the season.

 

[Nearly]

I should also have noted that the ITT in the 2008 TdS was rather steep to Albupass - Jose Rujano was 2nd for crying out loud (so no chance Canc)!

Aldag was thus right about Martin being the first to beat FC in 3 years of "real" ITTs at the TdS - no amnesia nor lies but perhaps a mis(leading)quote only.

 

[Parrot23]

Didn't Schumacher beat him at a final Tour TT in '08 (in fact, in both TTs)?

 

[mowie133]

Didn't Schumacher beat him at a final Tour TT in '08 (in fact, in both TTs)?

drugie

 

[Jukebox]

Canc also did not win the long TT in the Giro in 09

 

[Parrot23]

drugie

That's for sure. Guess Aldag is excluding him.

Bettini was always exasperated with Schumi. Didn't believe much of what he achieved, but doesn't mean Bettini himself was clean, LOL. Mirrors within mirrors, here.

 

[Kender]

Didn't Schumacher beat him at a final Tour TT in '08 (in fact, in both TTs)?

you mean the tour that we was disqualified from for taking CERA EPO? that tour?

 

[Parrot23]

Yes, that's the one.

Raised suspicions, that's for sure.

 

[oevkride]

EBH beat Canc by 17 seconds in the 18,7 km ITT in Tour of Oman.

 

[theyoungest]

He probably means "the first person to beat a reasonably on-form Cancellara". Which is true.

 

[Cerberus]

He probably means "the first person to beat a reasonably on-form Cancellara". Which is true.

Except it's not. 2009 Annency TT has already been mentioned.

 

[theyoungest]

Except it's not. 2009 Annency TT has already been mentioned.

Ah yes, the Annecy TT. That wasn't the most convincing Canc a$$kicking I've seen, though.

 

[Climbing]

Probably he meant:
"The first person beating Cancellara, not considering his other losses."

 

[Ibanez]

Im quite sure he means in the Tour De Suisse. I think it is still wrong anyway, but only just. Quite remarkable.

 

[cyclingmad]

Ah yes, the Annecy TT. That wasn't the most convincing Canc a$$kicking I've seen, though.

Final TT in the TDF 2007 Cancellera got well and trully hammered by Evans and Leipheimer. Same tour Cancellera destroyed everyone in the prologue and crashed in the rain in the 1st TT. He was on form that year just not a good TT man in the 3rd week. Annecy would be the best performance in a TT Cancellera has done in the third week of a tour and that was for 2nd place

Cancellera didn't even get top 10 at Tour of California this year

Cancellera generally is unbeatable only in a short tour, one off or if he is fresh

 

[saganftw]

i think he meant first person to beat cancellara when fabian is on form and doesnt have 3 weeks of domestique work in his legs

 

[ulrikmm]

Sorry that this is slightly OT, but I generally like to see a ITT specialist who does not win everything, and seems to get tired on long tours, and is built like a locomotive, and therefore is not good in the mountains.

(I generally distrust light riders that are very fast on flat ITTs. Pantani, Rasmussen, Contador, Sastre (once) among others. It just does not seem very physiological to me. They must make power outputs almost equal to a 75 - 80 kg ITT locomotives, and weigh much less. It is almost as distasteful to watch as when Abdoujabarov solo rode to win a semi-mountainous stage with a hill top finish in TdF years ago. It simply was not compatible with ordinary physiology.)

 

[Leopejo]

(I generally distrust light riders that are very fast on flat ITTs. Pantani, Rasmussen, Contador, Sastre (once) among others. It just does not seem very physiological to me. They must make power outputs almost equal to a 75 - 80 kg ITT locomotives, and weigh much less.

Actually, their power outputs can be quite less than that of the bigger guys. The power required is roughly proportional to the rider's surface area, which can be estimated by the rider's height and weight.

While power-to-weight is the best value to use on climbs, the best estimator of performance in a TT would fall between power-to-weight and absolute power.

This said, generally speaking big riders have the advantage in TTs - just not as much advantage as absolute power would predict.