Question Formula for KOM-Categories in Grand Tours

[ChiefMasterPro]

Hey people,

I would like to ask how the three Grand Tours decide, which Kom-category they assign to their ascents?

At the tour I might have found the border at 1000m and 500m altitude gain with serious climbing percentages between HC, cat 1 and cat 2. Whereas the Giro sometimes doesn't give KOM-Points at all (2022 at Passo Tonale and Teglio for example), while on the other hand, some more easy mountain top finishes get cat1 (2018 Campo Imperatore, 2019 Monte Avena, 2020 Aremogna, 2021 Camo Felice)

So the question is, does someone has a kind of Formula for each of the three Grand Tours? (Giro ideally with MTF and classical ascent en route)

Also if someone has a opinion about it, just leave it here. (by the way, Giro needs a HC. There is a difference between an average Dolomite climb and ascents like Zoncolan, Blockhaus, Finestre, Mortirolo)

Thanks

 

[Monte Serra]

Categorisation is fairly random. Especially in the Giro it's quite common for significant climbs to be completely uncategorised. So I don't think one can find a formula that fits common practice.

And no, the Giro doesn't need HC climbs. There's enough inflation in the world as it is.

 

[tobydawq]

Hey people,

I would like to ask how the three Grand Tours decide, which Kom-category they assign to their ascents?

At the tour I might have found the border at 1000m and 500m altitude gain with serious climbing percentages between HC, cat 1 and cat 2. Whereas the Giro sometimes doesn't give KOM-Points at all (2022 at Passo Tonale and Teglio for example), while on the other hand, some more easy mountain top finishes get cat1 (2018 Campo Imperatore, 2019 Monte Avena, 2020 Aremogna, 2021 Camo Felice)

So the question is, does someone has a kind of Formula for each of the three Grand Tours? (Giro ideally with MTF and classical ascent en route)

Also if someone has a opinion about it, just leave it here. (by the way, Giro needs a HC. There is a difference between an average Dolomite climb and ascents like Zoncolan, Blockhaus, Finestre, Mortirolo)

Thanks

I don't think there is a formula. I generally agree with all your points.

I want to add that I don't like that easy climbs on the opening stages get categorised because they want to award a KOM jersey. There's a lack of consistency that seems unprofessional and random.

 

[Netserk]

By @Linkinito (iirc):

 

[Devil's Elbow]

By @Linkinito (iirc):

Also known as the 'spot Arcalis' chart.

 

[Netserk]

From this thread:

Categorized climbs: new trends

In recent years, something has happened to the climbs of the Tour de France: The percentages of the slopes have gone up, while the length of the climbs has been decreasing. That's one of the conclusions from a small study I made. The study involves 427 Tour climbs from the years 2006-2009 and...

forum.cyclingnews.com

 

[hayneplane]

I don't think there is a formula. I generally agree with all your points.

I want to add that I don't like that easy climbs on the opening stages get categorised because they want to award a KOM jersey. There's a lack of consistency that seems unprofessional and random.

That same principle also often involves much harder climbs in the multi mountain stages going uncategorised because they don’t want to have more than about 6 KOM summits in a single stage yet will find a road bridge on stage 1 or 2 to justify giving out the jersey and starting a first week skirmish for the jersey usually amongst wildcard teams.

 

[ChiefMasterPro]

By @Linkinito (iirc):

Amazing stuff!

Does anyone have something similar for Giro or Vuelta?

 

[Gigs_98]

Amazing stuff!

Does anyone have something similar for Giro or Vuelta?

I think I've found the one for the Giro:

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Amazing stuff!

Does anyone have something similar for Giro or Vuelta?

This is interesting and I see that the biggest monsters here are Madeleine and Ventoux. Unfortunately no recent big ascents like Loze, Portet and Granon.