French back doping again!

[Robert5091]

Cookson - Sky, Lappartient - FDJ/AG2R ?

 

[el chava]

The french started being competetive in the Tour since the blood passport was introduced.

 

[Jacques (7 ch)]

The french started being competetive in the Tour since the blood passport was introduced.

I think Sky got there first.

 

[Cookster15]

I didn't say he was clean....

I asked that if his 5 stage victories was evidence that "Germans" are doping because you used that argument for the French.

One rider is one rider.

I did point to 7 French in the top 25. There are no other nation with more than 3 in the top 25.

Hence the thread.

Edit: Maybe edit the thread title to "French high octane again" or similar as i dont believe the French stopped, the just toned it down.

But if you want to start a Germans are doping thread, be my guest, i will contribute as there were and are plenty of examples

I'd say yes the French are doping but the competition has been brought back to their level hence the better results. This years Tour didn't look superhuman to me in fact it looked a bit like 2011 but without the heroics of that edition.

So to get excited about the French you'd be better off pointing the figure at Sky, Movistar et al and saying look, why are you so slow or why aren't you able attack? I mean we have people in PRR claiming Bardet didn't attack Froome on Izoard when in fact he did but did not have the legs to make an impact.

 

[DanielSong39]

Hoping Bardet can pull off a miracle in the time trial; the entire forum would melt down!

 

[Huapango]

I didn't say he was clean....

I asked that if his 5 stage victories was evidence that "Germans" are doping because you used that argument for the French.

One rider is one rider.

I did point to 7 French in the top 25. There are no other nation with more than 3 in the top 25.

Hence the thread.

Edit: Maybe edit the thread title to "French high octane again" or similar as i dont believe the French stopped, the just toned it down.

But if you want to start a Germans are doping thread, be my guest, i will contribute as there were and are plenty of examples

I'd say yes the French are doping but the competition has been brought back to their level hence the better results. This years Tour didn't look superhuman to me in fact it looked a bit like 2011 but without the heroics of that edition.

So to get excited about the French you'd be better off pointing the figure at Sky, Movistar et al and saying look, why are you so slow or why aren't you able attack? I mean we have people in PRR claiming Bardet didn't attack Froome on Izoard when in fact he did but did not have the legs to make an impact.

I think Froome is just getting better at being a bad actor. He could easily have 20 minutes on his nearest rival if he (or his team, or Cookson) wanted, but that would be bad for business.

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

One rider is one rider.

I did point to 7 French in the top 25. There are no other nation with more than 3 in the top 25.

Does your "7 out of 25" account for the fact that French men are (obviously) the most represented into the peloton ? 39 out of 198 at the start line according to L'Equipe (see here : https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Experience-age-nationalite-les-198-engages-du-tour-de-france-a-l-epreuve-des-statistiques/814178) and at least twice as numerous as any nationality (Italians : 18) and according to today's ranking they're still 35 out of 167.

Of course it also all depends on how you present the information : There's "only" 4 French riders out of the top 20, which is no more or no less an arbitrary cutting point. Or to take another example : "2 British riders out of the top 7... out of the 9 that started the race !", a statement as true at this hour as the following one "There's only 2 British riders in the top 80". You say "one rider is one rider" so I take it you're aware of the deceptiveness of small sample sizes.

Long story short : can you demonstrate that "7 out of 25" (Maybe it would be wiser to wait for the final ranking...) is not just a rhetorical trick but an actual anomaly, and not only that but one that would reasonably substantiate possible doping suspicions ?

Not that I am here to white-knight for French riders, I don't see why they would be more or less susceptible to doping in general, but I'd rather like discussions to be based on actual evidence and not some fleeting and possibly spurious impressions (granted this seems like this forum devolved quite a bit into that since last time I read it, if you'd pardon me being a tad judgemental).