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Can't agree more, I still don't understand how people can think otherwise. The people who you can say were most unlucky were Mollema (but not sire how he could be given bonus seconds) and Yates as he left Quintana behind who has probably gained more than anyone.
rick james said:
Can't agree more, I still don't understand how people can think otherwise. The people who you can say were most unlucky were Mollema (but not sire how he could be given bonus seconds) and Yates as he left Quintana behind who has probably gained more than anyone.
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Of course they should have, you can't presume they wouldn't have got the same time if Froome had carried on. Same way you can't guess what would have happened in the last km
SoigneurNL said:
Of course they should have, you can't presume they wouldn't have got the same time if Froome had carried on. Same way you can't guess what would have happened in the last km
thehog said:
Perhaps they were called in there to give their evidence on the day's events? Not to help make a decision. Just my speculation much like the statement ITV made was media speculation.
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well they kinda did when 1km gate knock rider down few days ago. i believe some other cases occurred in the past with various jury decisions too. not remembering specific one though.
if the rules were applied strictly LA would be DQ after his CX section, 1/2 of the peloton would be DQed whenever they'd pass the closed railways etc.
hfer07 said:
well they kinda did when 1km gate knock rider down few days ago. i believe some other cases occurred in the past with various jury decisions too. not remembering specific one though.
if the rules were applied strictly LA would be DQ after his CX section, 1/2 of the peloton would be DQed whenever they'd pass the closed railways etc.
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I don't get what's the big difference, from Froome's point of view, between crashing because a rider in front of you (Porte) hits a moto/fan and crashing because a rider in front of you just crashes. In both cases he is not at fault, it's something outside of his influence, but in one case you get seconds back and in the other everyone just says "tough luck, that's racing". How is that fair? (when everyone talks some much about "fairness")
And if this is now the rule, what would happen if someone like Meintjes (who is fighting for a GC result) crashes because of a more or less similar situation 5 km from the MTF while riding at the back of the group of the favourites? What time does he get?
I don't get what's the big difference, from Froome's point of view, between crashing because a rider in front of you (Porte) hits a moto/fan and crashing because a rider in front of you just crashes. In both cases he is not at fault, it's something outside of his influence, but in one case you get seconds back and in the other everyone just says "tough luck, that's racing". How is that fair? (when everyone talks some much about "fairness")
And if this is now the rule, what would happen if someone like Meintjes (who is fighting for a GC result) crashes because of a more or less similar situation 5 km from the MTF while riding at the back of the group of the favourites? What time does he get?
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Only thing Movi should not be happy with is yesterdays Nairo's drop.
Also no one was complaining after stage 7 jury decision.
Alexandre B. said:
Only thing Movi should not be happy with is yesterdays Nairo's drop.
Also no one was complaining after stage 7 jury decision.
Daniel Baal
@baal_baal
#TDF2016 Une décision des commissaires inique et injuste. D'autres coureurs bloqués n'ont pas eu droit au traitement de faveur de Froome.
@baal_baal
#TDF2016 Une décision des commissaires inique et injuste. D'autres coureurs bloqués n'ont pas eu droit au traitement de faveur de Froome.
Does anyone know what the time difference was between Froome's group and the group behind was at the time of the crash. People claiming the group behind have gained time but Orica's behind the scenes video suggests it was about 20 seconds and the times awarded there's actually a 28 second gap so Mollema might have gained time
MartinGT said:
That's wrong Froome and Porte were given same time as Mollema, group behind same time as Yates and the gap may have been increased after the crash
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For consistency, in the future, every time a rider crashes into a pile-up, or gets a flat from debris on the road, or has a mechanical due to something getting stuck in their drivetrain I guess the race will be neutralized. Because it wouldn't be there fault at all. And of course, the same rules should apply whether the rider is in the yellow jersey or 25th on the GC.
Great post. It was a racing incident; something unusual admittedly, but still just a racing incident. It wasn't even a serious pile up, everyone was back on their feet straight away and Froome would have lost very limited time if his super new lightweight bike hadn't been made of polystyrene.kareeem said:
For consistency, in the future, every time a rider crashes into a pile-up, or gets a flat from debris on the road, or has a mechanical due to something getting stuck in their drivetrain I guess the race will be neutralized. Because it wouldn't be there fault at all. And of course, the same rules should apply whether the rider is in the yellow jersey or 25th on the GC.
Seeing Froome trying to ride the neutral service bike looking like Takashi in the tricycle race from Revenge of the Nerds was priceless. I couldn't help hearing the Daisy Bell song in my head.
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Stop to be hypocrite. You just can't send the message to the spectators than they can chose who deserve to win the race. You don't like Froome ? No problem, just call your friends and block the road !
Yes, the leader of the race has to be protected, even if you find it "unfair". Because any other decision would lead to very ugly things.
DFA123 said:
Stop to be hypocrite. You just can't send the message to the spectators than they can chose who deserve to win the race. You don't like Froome ? No problem, just call your friends and block the road !
Yes, the leader of the race has to be protected, even if you find it "unfair". Because any other decision would lead to very ugly things.
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The point about fans blocking the road isn't really relevant to making a decision in this case. It has rarely if ever happened, and didn't happen in this incident by all accounts. If fans did something like that deliberately, then they would get arrested and thrown in prison for a few weeks; I think that's enough of a deterrent to stop a few friends from acting up.
The leader of the race certainly shouldn't be protected any more than any other rider. Protecting the leader above others would be hypocritical and would distort the competition, as it would then not be a level playing field. Why protect 1st position but not 2nd or 10th during the race?difdauf said:
The point about fans blocking the road isn't really relevant to making a decision in this case. It has rarely if ever happened, and didn't happen in this incident by all accounts. If fans did something like that deliberately, then they would get arrested and thrown in prison for a few weeks; I think that's enough of a deterrent to stop a few friends from acting up.
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It's the organisation's job to protect the riders actively, during the race, not re-actively by adjusting the results to what 'feels right'.
difdauf said:
It's the organisation's job to protect the riders actively, during the race, not re-actively by adjusting the results to what 'feels right'.
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no, he certainly knew PA. but Sky act, and CF act with impunity, and make up things on the spot that suits them. ie. lies.
that is why Froome said "someone stole his bike"[sic] /words to that effect.
PremierAndrew said:
no, he certainly knew PA. but Sky act, and CF act with impunity, and make up things on the spot that suits them. ie. lies.
that is why Froome said "someone stole his bike"[sic] /words to that effect.
Billie said:thehog said:
This cannot be true?
I wonder how much of this *** will happen before we get more transparency, honesty, or before enough people start asking questions. If that's true that's sickening
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No he didn't say that, I heard he gave it to a photographer or something because the seat stay had broke. They later recovered the bike and it was even checked for a motor
blackcat said:
No he didn't say that, I heard he gave it to a photographer or something because the seat stay had broke. They later recovered the bike and it was even checked for a motor
There have been a few posts saying that Froome should not be given the same time as Mollema because he crashed and that is his fault for being too close etc. Firstly, I those crowds You had to be close, if you weren't then the gap would just give the did carries yet more opportunity to get too close. If the bike was 10m ahead then Poter would have had zero room, they seemingly were only getting through because of the hole punched by the bike.
Secondly it's not Froome crashing that caused him to lose time in Mollema, who also crashed. It is the mavic service bike driving over his bike that caused the damage that prevented him resuming alongside Mollema.
Secondly it's not Froome crashing that caused him to lose time in Mollema, who also crashed. It is the mavic service bike driving over his bike that caused the damage that prevented him resuming alongside Mollema.
No reasonable person here blames Froome, the "no"-consensus simply is that it's irrelevant imo.
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Of course it's relevant unless your saying the fans in the road did not play a part in causing the crash. Many said they have never seen it so cramped. I can count 3 occasions on top of my head including this one where fans have collided with riders. Deliberate or not is not certain at this point in time, but it definitely caused the crash
Can people stop suggesting this is purely about protecting Froome as this is plain wrong and deliberately misleading. Porte also got the same time after the crash caused him to change wheels, the crash also held up the group behind and led to Quintana who was in a world of hurt benefitting from being given the same time as Adam Yates.
DFA123 said:
Of course it's relevant unless your saying the fans in the road did not play a part in causing the crash. Many said they have never seen it so cramped. I can count 3 occasions on top of my head including this one where fans have collided with riders. Deliberate or not is not certain at this point in time, but it definitely caused the crash
Can people stop suggesting this is purely about protecting Froome as this is plain wrong and deliberately misleading. Porte also got the same time after the crash caused him to change wheels, the crash also held up the group behind and led to Quintana who was in a world of hurt benefitting from being given the same time as Adam Yates.
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