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The Hitch said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's a photo of him at the finish line at PSM back in 2015, which was by far the most ridiculous Froome/Sky performance to date, and made Ax 3 and Ventoux look believable. It wasn't anywhere near close to 'keeping it real'. But then if he hadn't put in such a ridiculous performance and crushed everyone's morale, especially Quintana, Quintana may well have ended up winning that Tour.

As for Froome being better than Wiggins in 2012, well no doubts who the better climber was but it's debatable as to whether Froome had enough in the locker to make up for the difference in ability in the 100kms of TTing

As ridiculous as wiggins was in 12, froome had 40% of his deficit to wiggins come from a puncture. Take that away and Wiggos time trial benefit is under 2 minutes.

You don't think Froome takes back 2 minutes over an entire Tour? When he doesn't have to waste so much energy riding for Wiggins.

No chance. on a level playing field, froome wins that 100 times out of 100

This I agree with, but Wiggo STILL is more marketable than Froome. A couple more Tours (won in a gritty escape, or downhill or through a TT he was "always good at") and that may change.
 
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hfer07 said:
PremierAndrew said:
hfer07 said:
Pantani Attacks said:
Some funny motor attacks today...the funniest was after Quintana's first attack where he didn't do a single thing different yet glided his way up to him effortlessly. And the out of saddle acceleration was Valverde level batshit crazy.


I noticed that too- just illogical to watch a Quintana putting attacks that get countered with such ease, considering Froome, at this point should be fading.......

not normal

And Quintana shouldn't?

That's not the matter --- Froome should have been fading SOONER or showing signs of fading, since he won Le Tour and right after did the Olympics RR & ITT, whereas Quintana didn't do any racing at all after his Tour podium, thus being "fresher" than the Kenyan.....

Froome is simply applying the "sat on the saddle Turbo" to match up Quintana........

just ridiculous.......
Quintana rode the same Tour at his limit (because he was being dropped) and then skipped the Olympics because he was tired/not feeling well
It's not like Quintana had planned to be fresher for the Vuelta. He took a break because he needed it when Froome still had enough in the tank. I don't think that means he should be fresher now.
 
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Pantani Attacks said:
Get f*cked get absolutely f*cked

I'm rather fond of the soft cuddly, human 2010 version of Froome. He's actually fun to watch when he's normal. Froome is the new Kenny van Hummel.

Unless he straps rhe motor back on and kills the TT. Movistar doc did the right thing by calling out Froome.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
thehog said:
Movistar doc did the right thing by calling out Froome.

Link?

Just scroll back a couple of pages;

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http://alacarta.caracol.com.co/audio/1472932330_939766/

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The Hitch said:
PremierAndrew said:
That's a photo of him at the finish line at PSM back in 2015, which was by far the most ridiculous Froome/Sky performance to date, and made Ax 3 and Ventoux look believable. It wasn't anywhere near close to 'keeping it real'. But then if he hadn't put in such a ridiculous performance and crushed everyone's morale, especially Quintana, Quintana may well have ended up winning that Tour.

As for Froome being better than Wiggins in 2012, well no doubts who the better climber was but it's debatable as to whether Froome had enough in the locker to make up for the difference in ability in the 100kms of TTing

As ridiculous as wiggins was in 12, froome had 40% of his deficit to wiggins come from a puncture. Take that away and Wiggos time trial benefit is under 2 minutes.

You don't think Froome takes back 2 minutes over an entire Tour? When he doesn't have to waste so much energy riding for Wiggins.

No chance. on a level playing field, froome wins that 100 times out of 100

On that route? 09 Contador or 13 Froome would struggle to take 2 minutes on Wiggins with the lack of mountains in 2012. And let's not forget, Wiggins was still the 2nd strongest climber in that edition of the Tour

Anyway, I'm more pissed about the fact that Froome wasn't allowed to jump away and chase Valverde for the stage and had to babysit Wiggins on stage 16? 17?
 
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The Hitch said:
DanielSong39 said:
Froome is either a clean rider or did a very good impersonation of one today...

Well, at least there's Paris.

Great point.

Any time a rider who doped to win tons of races, rides poorly, that automatically makes all previous performances clean


The power meter comments by Quintana, then the Movistar Doc, they really got in Froome's head.

If you watch the first 25 minutes of rhe stage https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PcD24uBIZ7Q&t=22m8s - whilst Froome is hopelessly out of position be spends most of the time on the radio trying to work out what to do. Movistar start attacking the second group when Froome is asking OGE to work, it's fun to watch. Froome did have to do a lot of chasing in the first 30km and then sat in the group and refused to work. He's so odd at times.
 
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The Hitch said:
DanielSong39 said:
Froome is either a clean rider or did a very good impersonation of one today...

Well, at least there's Paris.

Great point.

Any time a rider who doped to win tons of races, rides poorly, that automatically makes all previous performances clean


As usual your total hypocrisy is shining through. You claimed repeatedly that Froome is a Super-responder who rides with the full protection of the UCI and can dope himself silly while using a hidden motor.

Now he's thrashed out of sight and you're going full reverse ferret.

For somebody as pretentious as you it really is hilarious.
 
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While I'm here.

People claim that Froome must be on drugs and is a super-responder. Yet the clinic TFH brigade also claim that he must be on dope becasue he was at Barloworld who were a dirty team full of junkies.

So why wasn't Froomedog super-responding to their drugs?

And what happened to his motor that the TFH brigade insisted he was using at Lagos Covadonga?

Evidence is evidence. Posting witch hunting, he turned my wife into a frog, bollocks doesn't help anybody.
 
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GreasyChain said:
While I'm here.

People claim that Froome must be on drugs and is a super-responder. Yet the clinic TFH brigade also claim that he must be on dope becasue he was at Barloworld who were a dirty team full of junkies.

So why wasn't Froomedog super-responding to their drugs?
Barloworld was 2008-2009. At that time, any doping would be the traditional EPO/transfusions mostly, plus also testosterone, HGH and the like, whereas now he's most likely on them newfangled weight loss drugs (some of which do a lot more than just make you thinner). You can respond poorly to blood doping and greatly to the new stuff. You can also dope with a lesser program and then get on a better one, à la Kohl.

There's no proof, but there's no contradiction either like you seem to be claiming.
 
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GreasyChain said:
While I'm here.

People claim that Froome must be on drugs and is a super-responder. Yet the clinic TFH brigade also claim that he must be on dope becasue he was at Barloworld who were a dirty team full of junkies.

So why wasn't Froomedog super-responding to their drugs?
Different drugs, different doping methods, different levels of investment in riders, different budgets etc.

Barloworld were a division 2 team (albeit a strong one) with a division 2 budget, division 2 salaries, division 2 staff and division 2 events. Looking back at what we now know, it seems that doping on Barloworld was more freelance looking at what the likes of Moises Duenas were up to. Not to say the team didn't know, just that it may not have been team sponsored.

Sky, OTOH, have a budget several times higher, and race a full World Tour schedule. The demands for results and return on investment increase greatly. Whence a staff and roster that has included the likes of Leinders, Julich, Yates, De Jongh, Knaven, Cioni, Rogers, Flecha, Hayman etc.

We get it, you want to believe, but it's probably worth looking back past 2012 and getting some learning in first.
 
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GreasyChain said:
The Hitch said:
DanielSong39 said:
Froome is either a clean rider or did a very good impersonation of one today...

Well, at least there's Paris.

Great point.

Any time a rider who doped to win tons of races, rides poorly, that automatically makes all previous performances clean


As usual your total hypocrisy is shining through. You claimed repeatedly that Froome is a Super-responder who rides with the full protection of the UCI and can dope himself silly while using a hidden motor.

Now he's thrashed out of sight and you're going full reverse ferret.

For somebody as pretentious as you it really is hilarious.
Everyone is human - even Froome. Seems like he found his limits - it can still happen when you're doped to the eyeballs, history has hundreds of examples.
 
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42x16ss said:
GreasyChain said:
The Hitch said:
DanielSong39 said:
Froome is either a clean rider or did a very good impersonation of one today...

Well, at least there's Paris.

Great point.

Any time a rider who doped to win tons of races, rides poorly, that automatically makes all previous performances clean


As usual your total hypocrisy is shining through. You claimed repeatedly that Froome is a Super-responder who rides with the full protection of the UCI and can dope himself silly while using a hidden motor.

Now he's thrashed out of sight and you're going full reverse ferret.

For somebody as pretentious as you it really is hilarious.
Everyone is human - even Froome. Seems like he found his limits - it can still happen when you're doped to the eyeballs, history has hundreds of examples.

It's not as if we haven't seen Froome suffer in the third week at the Vuelta before after riding the Tour and the Olympics. We already knew he was human and has his limits. Even in the Tours he has won he has faded in the third week. Perfectly normal and what you'd expect from a clean rider.
 
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So apparently the team were split by a crash early on - anyone see that ? Skys website interview with

. We were caught on the back foot and it was too bad that Chris was separated by an early crash from Quintana and Contador. If he'd have been with them and not in the chasing group then it would have probably made things different.
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/article/90716#er4PzyJf7T1wV32B.99

So why didnt Froome mention it ??
 
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GreasyChain said:
While I'm here.

People claim that Froome must be on drugs and is a super-responder. Yet the clinic TFH brigade also claim that he must be on dope becasue he was at Barloworld who were a dirty team full of junkies.

So why wasn't Froomedog super-responding to their drugs?

And what happened to his motor that the TFH brigade insisted he was using at Lagos Covadonga?

Evidence is evidence. Posting witch hunting, he turned my wife into a frog, bollocks doesn't help anybody.

Froome's performance yesterday is still better than anything he did pre-Vuelta '11 which is the test...

Fishy froome swims...he's a witch ;)
 
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GreasyChain said:
While I'm here.

People claim that Froome must be on drugs and is a super-responder. Yet the clinic TFH brigade also claim that he must be on dope becasue he was at Barloworld who were a dirty team full of junkies.

So why wasn't Froomedog super-responding to their drugs?

And what happened to his motor that the TFH brigade insisted he was using at Lagos Covadonga?

Evidence is evidence. Posting witch hunting, he turned my wife into a frog, bollocks doesn't help anybody.
If CF had moto'ed his way back to the break dropping all an sundry
it would have been a Riccò scandal all over again.
 
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GreasyChain said:
While I'm here.

People claim that Froome must be on drugs and is a super-responder. Yet the clinic TFH brigade also claim that he must be on dope becasue he was at Barloworld who were a dirty team full of junkies.

So why wasn't Froomedog super-responding to their drugs?

And what happened to his motor that the TFH brigade insisted he was using at Lagos Covadonga?

Evidence is evidence. Posting witch hunting, he turned my wife into a frog, bollocks doesn't help anybody.
https://youtu.be/TKYQ5ibxslI
 
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keep in mind, even a doper on a full doping program can have a bad day...to me the yeterday's froome performance does not add or subtract from him being a potential doper...
 
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Cycle Chic said:
So apparently the team were split by a crash early on - anyone see that ? Skys website interview with

. We were caught on the back foot and it was too bad that Chris was separated by an early crash from Quintana and Contador. If he'd have been with them and not in the chasing group then it would have probably made things different.
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/article/90716#er4PzyJf7T1wV32B.99

So why didnt Froome mention it ??
Sky PR spin bs, as always. Rewatch the stage, there is no crash, at least none that involved him. Usually it would be a sensation if a GT contender is in trouble, especially in Spain and all cameras would have been on him.

You can clearly see the chaos up front and how Froome sat on for much to long. When he started chasing, it was too late.

So now we have the rules bent for Sky again. Great! Let's stop the bunch and step out for a piss.
 
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You just know the sport has sunk even deeper into the cesspit when a doctor on a team like Movistar working for a guy like Unzue is calling out Froome!

Things must be pretty bad indeed.
 
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GreasyChain said:
While I'm here.

People claim that Froome must be on drugs and is a super-responder. Yet the clinic TFH brigade also claim that he must be on dope becasue he was at Barloworld who were a dirty team full of junkies.

So why wasn't Froomedog super-responding to their drugs?

And what happened to his motor that the TFH brigade insisted he was using at Lagos Covadonga?

Evidence is evidence. Posting witch hunting, he turned my wife into a frog, bollocks doesn't help anybody.

If, he aint on drugs, how is he doing it MrGreasyChain if you please and can you answer without the insults and trolling?
 

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