GC Showdown TdF 2012: T. Martin vs. A. Schleck

[Froome19]

only if the peloton waits for him will andy finish above tony.

How does that make sense?
Andy is a mile better than Martin and in fact better than the most of the peloton on climbs so when would the peloton need to wait for him? (barring downhills)

Right! Andy has won, zero (0) stage races, whereas Tony has won few.

Yes but winning countless number of week long stage races gives nothing in comparisom to a GT especially as there are mountains (proper) in GT's and Martin is not good enough on mountains to go for GC.

 

[cineteq]

Yes but winning countless number of week long stage races gives nothing in comparisom to a GT especially as there are mountains (proper) in GT's and Martin is not good enough on mountains to go for GC.

Ask riders what winning important races can do for them, psychologically that is.

The funny thing is: Andy is a proof of it.

 

[The Hitch]

Ha ha, let apply your own logic. If all TTs stages are cancelled will Andy Schleck finish above Tont Martin.

Considering how many times you have mocked my writing skills, saying you don't understand a word of what I write, this post above is hilarious.

What on earth are you trying to say here? Doesn't make any sense on any level.

 

[Froome19]

Ask riders what winning important races can do for them, psychologically that is.

The funny thing is: Andy is a proof of it.

Indeed but there is a limit to psychological boosts and when talent actually matters
And when it comes to climbing talent, Andy is much superior to Martin.

 

[c&cfan]

Right! Andy has won, zero (0) stage races, whereas Tony has won few.

Tony in yellow until the first rest day could turn him into a monster. Watch out!

exactly!!!

also by having 2 testicles instead of ovaries tony's body is able to produce more testosterone. testosterone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone) functions like steroids, providing more recovery, and general improved performance. this means more muscle mass, stronger bones, etc. this means that tony has a natural advantage against andy, physically. however, by having 2 testicles, tony also has the upper hand when in tough situations or when a brave action is needed.

but not everything favors tony...amazingly, andy's strength relies in his ovaries. yes, in andy's case having ovaries can be good. by having them (ovaries), andy is much more sensitive to testosterone and it's effects. so, if anyone with a pair of testicles controls him (be it bruynell, frank, canc) he might behave like a talented athlete. but what's the odds? that only worked 2 times out of 84 GT stages (1 giro, 3 tours) and he can't finish above second because of the pre-requisites to win a GT, testicles inside your own body.

conclusion,

tony only has to believe on himself. andy falling or not is irrelevant.

 

[ferryman]

Showdown LOL. I fully expect the Andy haters to exceed themselves here. I see good work has already started.

 

[El Pistolero]

Showdown LOL. I fully expect the Andy haters to exceed themselves here. I see good work has already started.

Well, I'm picking Andy here while still hating him

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well, I'm picking Andy here while still hating him

Same here..

 

[theyoungest]

Ask riders what winning important races can do for them, psychologically that is.

The funny thing is: Andy is a proof of it.

So? What does this have to do with finishing higher in the Tour? Andy got 2nd 3 times, remember. Tony Martin... has he even cracked the top 50?

 

[will10]

Well, I'm picking Andy here while still hating him

+1, not a Schleck fan but suggesting Tony will finish above him at Le Tour (barring injuries or crashes etc) is laughable.

 

[The Hitch]

Showdown LOL. I fully expect the Andy haters to exceed themselves here. I see good work has already started.

If someone hates Andy it means they don't like the guy, not that they believe in the cineteq fantasy world of cycling or think that Tony Martin is going to beat him

 

[cineteq]

Considering how many times you have mocked my writing skills, saying you don't understand a word of what I write, this post above is hilarious.

What on earth are you trying to say here? Doesn't make any sense on any level.

LOL!!!! It was Will10 who wrote the original sentence, not me. I just interchanged the subjects

Nice try Hitch

 

[trevim]

Well when has Martin shown anything in 3 weeks or in high mountains for that matter?

I think everybody is overrating the effect of 2 TT's on a race. They'll decide the race between the riders who can hang on in the mountains which isn't Martin's case.

In 2008 the Tour had 80km of TT. Who won? Oh yes a climber. Andy on a good day can a put a TT at Sastre's level. He's a contender just like the last few years. It's just that the course doesn't suit him so well but at the end of the day I would be surprised if he finished outside the podium.

 

[ferryman]

If someone hates Andy it means they don't like the guy, not that they believe in the cineteq fantasy world of cycling or think that Tony Martin is going to beat him

I know But some threads are just set so for the Andy bashers to vent their spleen

 

[gerundium]

clicked martin because i like the guy and hope he is going to do great. rationally though Andy should win this matchup handily.

 

[uphillstruggle]

This is not a joke

I hope you are joking. You should of made the poll how much time will Martin lose on a single mountain stage: 10 minute? 20 minute? 30 minutes? or 1 hour?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Obviusly the big question mark is Tonys teamchange. Quiet often riders performance changed a lot when they changed teams. Some got better, some got worse. I guess we'll have to see what happens in Algavre and Paris Nice.
I excpect Tonys TT performance to stay pretty much the same, but i am really courious what effects the new new team will have on his climbing

 

[cineteq]

I hope you are joking. You should of made the poll how much time will Martin lose on a single mountain stage: 10 minute? 20 minute? 30 minutes? or 1 hour?

Bavarianrider where are you when I need you the most?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Bavarianrider where are you when I need you the most?

Let the haters hate, sooner or later they 'll learn their lesson by hard.
But gain, let's wait and see how Tony does at Paris Nice. If he does well, the haters will start to pee into their trousers anyway

 

[Froome19]

Let the haters hate, sooner or later they 'll learn their lesson by hard.
But gain, let's wait and see how Tony does at Paris Nice. If he does well, the haters will start to pee into their trousers anyway

Paris-Nice does not matter a whit and doesn't affect this conversation at all. as previously mentioned its all about how well you can do in the high mountains.

Well when has Martin shown anything in 3 weeks or in high mountains for that matter?

Yes but winning countless number of week long stage races gives nothing in comparisom to a GT especially as there are mountains (proper) in GT's and Martin is not good enough on mountains to go for GC.

 

[cineteq]

A reminder of what could happen this year

TdF 2009 Stage 20 Montélimar - Mont Ventoux (167 km)

1 Juan Manuel Garate Cepa (Spa) Rabobank 4:39:21
2 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:00:03
3 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:38
4 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana
5 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana 0:00:41
6 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:43
7 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Liquigas 0:00:46
8 Franco Pellizotti (Ita) Liquigas 0:00:56
9 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas 0:00:58
10 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:01:03

http://www.bikeradar.com/racing/racestage/report/96th-tour-de-france-stage-20-565/

 

[cineteq]

let's wait and see how Tony does at Paris Nice. If he does well, the haters will start to pee into their trousers anyway

I'm looking forward to seeing HOW he does it more than anything else...

 

[markene2]

A reminder of what could happen this year

TdF 2009 Stage 20 Montélimar - Mont Ventoux (167 km)

1 Juan Manuel Garate Cepa (Spa) Rabobank 4:39:21
2 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia - HTC 0:00:03
3 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:38
4 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana
5 Lance Armstrong (USA) Astana 0:00:41
6 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:43
7 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Liquigas 0:00:46
8 Franco Pellizotti (Ita) Liquigas 0:00:56
9 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas 0:00:58
10 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0:01:03

http://www.bikeradar.com/racing/racestage/report/96th-tour-de-france-stage-20-565/

Ahem.. He was in the breakaway?

 

[Froome19]

Ahem.. He was in the breakaway?

Exactly and he will never be allowed to get into a breakaway if he's somehow competitve in GC

 

[c&cfan]

Ahem.. He was in the breakaway?

of course not. andy couldn't keep up and contador choosed to taunt him instead of following tony's mighty acceleration, just like he did at the zoncolan.

i saw it.. case closed.