Delahaye seems to be a trial and error kind of guy, but don't forget Delahaye was his trainer in the years before as well. I really don't know what has happened to mr. Consistency himself, other than the injury of course.Dekker_Tifosi said:
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maxmartin said:CN top headline is "Gesink preparing to launch attack?" probably should be changed into "Gesink preparing to crack?"
joke aside, I think he seems have recuperation problems, not sure it is crash or broken bone related. I can see him winning 7day, 10day stage race, but GT for him is probably over. Naturally your recuperation ability goes down as you passed your golden age (usually 24-28). Of course things can still turn around, Wiggins' recovering ability seems getting better when he gets old.
THere's this guy leading the Vuelta who up until his 30th was only a subtopper and had poor recup...
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
that is what I am saying things are still possible for Gesink. But both Wiggins and JR's GT career are steadily going up with Wiggins have a little trouble after 4th in tour. Gesink is different, his GT career seems steadily going down. I do hope this will be his bottom and he can have a U shape GT career.
He's been terribly unlucky but he's lucky to a certain extent that his fellow Rabites have stagnated. Gotta say, Kruijswjik is a bit strange, form fell off this year, but Mollema & Gesink can't keep their asses on their saddles. Neither could be expected to compete at the highest level given the injuries sustained at Le Tour.
If Kelderman does well in his first GT next year then next year could be Gesinks last chance as an absolute leader. For me, next year is the one for Rabos talents (minus Wilko). It's make or break time. It's a shame the Tour is cycling in the Netherlands, would like to see Kruijswjik ride the Giro as a leader. Then send him to the tour to help Mollema and Gesink. Then have Wilko ride La Vuelta.
If Kelderman does well in his first GT next year then next year could be Gesinks last chance as an absolute leader. For me, next year is the one for Rabos talents (minus Wilko). It's make or break time. It's a shame the Tour is cycling in the Netherlands, would like to see Kruijswjik ride the Giro as a leader. Then send him to the tour to help Mollema and Gesink. Then have Wilko ride La Vuelta.
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Mollema had a better spring than Gesink ever had though. 3rd Basque country + top 10 in all ardennes classics. Would have been interesting to see where Mollema would've ended without bad luck in the Tour.
but yeah, both Mollema and Gesink are reaching the age where it's make or break time. 27yo... usually the age when GT riders reach their best years. (Contador/Andy/Ullrich etc are exceptions imho)
but yeah, both Mollema and Gesink are reaching the age where it's make or break time. 27yo... usually the age when GT riders reach their best years. (Contador/Andy/Ullrich etc are exceptions imho)
I broke my leg over the winter. I have 5 pins and a metal plate holding the top of my tibia together. It has been extremely hard to get any sort of fitness back (especially since I could not put any weight on my leg for 3 months). The one thing I notice the most is that when I have to put out a high torque effort (as opposed to power) my leg starts to hurt a lot, especially where the pins are. This could explain Gesink's TT power but climbing troubles. Steady state, low torque efforts might be manageable, but when he has to put in a sudden acceleration or push a gear on steep gradients that pin could be causing all sorts of pain and other issues.
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But that's the thing, we all thought he couldn't do the super steep short climbs anymore, and then he was 4th at Ézaro. I imagine that must have hurt more than the climb in the ITT, or today's Ancares.TheRossSeaParty said:
His performances simply make no sense. They can only be described as gesinky.
maxmartin said:
Well, I think I will get back to the same level as before but in a different style. I can see racing crits and things like that as being extremely difficult. I have a lot of internal scar tissue, nerve damage, plus all the hardware that is going to take a long time to heal and will be bother me and hurt for a long time to come.
I don't claim to know what it is going with Gesink, but I do know that recovering from a serious leg break is a long term and intensive project. I am amazed that he is racing at the level he is at, and his win at ToC was inspiring as I had just gotten back on my bike around that time. Hopefully if he can get through the rest of the Vuelta and the rest of the season without any mishaps we will see the Gesink of old in 2013.
Dekker_Tifosi said:
I don't think it's really make or break time for Gesink. If he can finish this Tour in the top 10 he would be relieved even though hoping for better considering the awful few years he has had. I think the age thing is variable. Evans and Ryder were both in their thirties as was Wiggins when winning their first Tour's. Rodriguez may take his first Tour also in his thirties while Andy Schleck has never won one on the road yet. Although it is arguable that Evans was overdue. Gesink's injuries, his private tragedies and his confidence have taken a battering. He should take this result philosophically if he can finish in a similar position to where he is now. He should be relieved to finish a Tour and know he can improve a lot with better health and racing.
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Yet he has done such attacks before, but he can only when he's really good..
I mean just look at the attack of Montreal 2010 and Quebec 2011. Or a better example maybe his Emilia sprints. If you can sprint on the outerblade there...
When he doesn't he does so out of fear of blowing up.
I mean just look at the attack of Montreal 2010 and Quebec 2011. Or a better example maybe his Emilia sprints. If you can sprint on the outerblade there...
When he doesn't he does so out of fear of blowing up.
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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:This vuelta he is making basso look explosive
Don't overreact. On the steepest parts of the climb he gapped guys like Froome, Talansky, Moreno multiple times. But they came back on the flat parts. After the big 3, Quintana and Anton he was probably the strongest today. Ofcourse nowhere near his 2009 level but still decent enough
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So inconsistent....
At least it's encouraging to see that he tries to attack if he feels he can attack, even though it wern't very impressive attacks.
Hoping he can do the same tomorrow, only, because of no flat parts in the last three K of tomorrows MTF, he should be able to keep the gap on Froome, Moreno and Talansky
/wishful thinking
At least it's encouraging to see that he tries to attack if he feels he can attack, even though it wern't very impressive attacks.
Hoping he can do the same tomorrow, only, because of no flat parts in the last three K of tomorrows MTF, he should be able to keep the gap on Froome, Moreno and Talansky
/wishful thinking
"A good day today! Great to have good legs again! Now in the bus to the hotel: Discussion: Gears for tomorrow #last3km #steep #34-28"Maaaaaaaarten said:So inconsistent....
At least it's encouraging to see that he tries to attack if he feels he can attack, even though it wern't very impressive attacks.
Hoping he can do the same tomorrow, only, because of no flat parts in the last three K of tomorrows MTF, he should be able to keep the gap on Froome, Moreno and Talansky
/wishful thinking
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Lol Gesink cant even put time on a man who as been awful for the last week dude i mean froome is done,froome was making gesink look amateur early on in la vuelta ,and with Froome , Contador and Schleck around next year Gesink wont podium a GT.
killswitch said:"A good day today! Great to have good legs again! Now in the bus to the hotel: Discussion: Gears for tomorrow #last3km #steep #34-28"
Like ive said Gesink should be taking time on Froome every 1 can see Froome is on bad form .
And all i can say is next year Contador wont have things easy , for the first time he has someone who is just as good at ITT and as good in the mountains,Contador has been so much better in the past but even die hard Contador fans will admit Froome will be a massive challenger.Right now Froome and Contador are the best GT riders,i know Purito is doing well but he wont challenge on a normal TDF parcours.
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killswitch said:"A good day today! Great to have good legs again! Now in the bus to the hotel: Discussion: Gears for tomorrow #last3km #steep #34-28"
Gesink is the Dutch Anton
Maaaaaaaarten said:
No he's not that bad, nowhere near it. If he does not improve next year I will grudgingly accept the over the top criticism of Gesink. I think he will improve. Let him finish some races first !
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theyoungest said:
That's Geesink
But did you guys see Gesink and Anton at the last wheel together during the entire first part of the climb?
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