Giro 2012 Field Discussion/Rumours

[Maaaaaaaarten]

I suppose you guy are right on Kelderman. Mollema didn't ride the Giro in his first year as a pro either, and while they did with Kruijswijk, Kruijswijk was older.

What other youngsters might Rabo send there, besides Slagter?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Rujano is not going to lose minutes to Scarponi or Basso in a 40km ITT. Yes he'll concede some time in the TTT. So which "lesser names" are riding that are going to take so much time on Rujano that he can't possibly finish on the podium?

Basso and Scarponi will take minutes out of Rujano. Others who have a good chance to podium or top 5 are Kreuziger, Hesjedal, Gadret & even Fuglsang.

 

[theyoungest]

I suppose you guy are right on Kelderman. Mollema didn't ride the Giro in his first year as a pro either, and while they did with Kruijswijk, Kruijswijk was older.

What other youngsters might Rabo send there, besides Slagter?

Van Winden, I guess. And then Bos, Renshaw, Van Emden, Flens, plus one or two climbers... Ten Dam, maybe?

Basso and Scarponi will take minutes out of Rujano. Others who have a good chance to podium or top 5 are Kreuziger, Hesjedal, Gadret & even Fuglsang.

Talk about guys who can't TT... Pieter Weening rode him off his wheel on the flat, that's how bad this guy is when the roads don't tilt upwards.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

All 3 of them will go TdF and then Vuelta as well. Ofcourse this depends on how the season will roll out.

I bet Rabobank will send the youngsters to the Giro again like they did last 2 years. Slagter for sure, but I'm not so sure if they let Kelderman ride an GT in his first year. He is still very young(20).
Bos will likely go to the Giro. He would've went Giro last year, but I think he pulled back a week before departure with an injury.

Yeah, I just don't get why. Why have 3 "leaders" for the Tour and none for the Giro when Kruijswijk has been doing well there?

I would let Kruijkwijk do something like Tirreno-Adriatico, Catalunya, Trentino and Giro and then see what else the season brings (probably Vuelta as well), while letting Mollema and Gesink aim for the Tour.

On another note I can't imagine Ferrari not doing the Giro.

 

[will10]

Basso and Scarponi will take minutes out of Rujano. Others who have a good chance to podium or top 5 are Kreuziger, Hesjedal, Gadret & even Fuglsang.

You state that as a fact but last year's TT result over 26km

1. MILLAR David GRM 30'13" 70
2. RASMUSSEN Alex THR 07" 40
3. CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto SBS 36" 25
11. NIBALI Vincenzo LIQ 01'18" 0
16. KREUZIGER Roman AST 01'26" 0
17. SCARPONI Michele LAM 01'28" 0
46. RUJANO GUILLEN Jose Humberto AND 02'25" 0

2012 total TTing is 40km. And Basso has hardly set the world alight in TTs since 2006. Rujano is no Purito; ruling him out from a podium finish based on ITTs is foolhardy.

 

[gerundium]

google translated interview with kruijswijk

He wants to do the TdF this year and after talking about it with management he will not be doing the Giro.

do note: this interview is from december. things might have changed, but somehow i doubt it.

 

[theyoungest]

Yeah, I just don't get why. Why have 3 "leaders" for the Tour and none for the Giro when Kruijswijk has been doing well there?

I would let Kruijkwijk do something like Tirreno-Adriatico, Catalunya, Trentino and Giro and then see what else the season brings (probably Vuelta as well), while letting Mollema and Gesink aim for the Tour.

On another note I can't imagine Ferrari not doing the Giro.

Dutch guys want to ride the Tour, that's just how it is.

 

[Kvinto]

huh, Rujano... with a tt or without it no matter how mountainous the course is, the guy has talent to find a place where he could actually lose, i wouldn't be so worried about him

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

The podium contenders are Basso, Scarponi, Rujano, Kloden and Purito, IMO. Nibali if he rides.

Maybe Gadret and Kreuziger as well.

Nibali will be at the tour and so will Scarponi. Rujano can't really be considered a GC threat when he will lose minutes in the TTT and the ITT therefore it is open to some lesser names to the podium.

Scarponi will target the Giro for GC. He'll probably target the Tour next year.

 

[will10]

huh, Rujano... with a tt or without it no matter how mountainous the course is, the guy has talent to find a place where he could actually lose, i wouldn't be so worried about him

I agree, he's much more likely to lose time on an innocuous looking stage than in the ITTs. People look at his size and assume he must be a terrible ITTer like Purito but he has always held his own in ITTs.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Slagter, Majka, Kessiakoff, Henao are going to score me lots of poins at the CQ game

 

[The Hitch]

No Aqua and Garzelli on the list feels like no Crostis in 14 last year.

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FDJ-Big Mat: Rasch, Demare...
GreenEDGE: Impey...
Saxo: Haedo, Majka, Aaen....
Team NetApp: Konig...

Unacceptable.

 

[jens_attacks]

weaker than 2010 which was a succes after all so it depends how they will ride it.i still think somehow acqua sapone will be invited otherwise di luca should go again and ask vino for a place and quickly.

 

[airstream]

I'm afraid that the field will be weakest from 2004. There's the hope that possibly Kreuziger will be able to meet long-term expectations and show himself as a real climber, because Basso vs Scarponi is a very dull duel. I'll root for Scarponi. Hopefully, he'll prove last year result wasn't the accident against a background of milksops that decided to back down on at the Etna.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Hopefully, he'll prove last year result wasn't the accident against a background of milksops that decided to back down on at the Etna.

Are you questioning his manhood

 

[jens_attacks]

I'm afraid that the field will be weakest from 2004.

definitely looks like.
but acquarone was brilliant though..."hey we'll have a shiity startlist this year, what we do??we throw out garzelli and di luca.invite netapp"

 

[Eshnar]

I think 2007 field was worse.

 

[jens_attacks]

I think 2007 field was worse.

worse than 2004?no
i'd say at 2010 level

 

[The Hitch]

You state that as a fact but last year's TT result over 26km

1. MILLAR David GRM 30'13" 70
2. RASMUSSEN Alex THR 07" 40
3. CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto SBS 36" 25
11. NIBALI Vincenzo LIQ 01'18" 0
16. KREUZIGER Roman AST 01'26" 0
17. SCARPONI Michele LAM 01'28" 0
46. RUJANO GUILLEN Jose Humberto AND 02'25" 0

2012 total TTing is 40km. And Basso has hardly set the world alight in TTs since 2006. Rujano is no Purito; ruling him out from a podium finish based on ITTs is foolhardy.

Was going to post it.

Thats less than Rujano made on Scarponi on Etna.

also if we were to assume both Rujano and Scarponi will perform exactly the same in the 40k tt next year (so Scarponi finishes about 1.30 - 1.40 ahead) thats still less than Rujano made on Scarponi on Grossglockner.

 

[Eshnar]

worse than 2004?no
i'd say at 2010 level

no, I meant worse than next year.

 

[theyoungest]

Slagter, Majka, Kessiakoff, Henao are going to score me lots of poins at the CQ game

Irony, I presume? Well, Henao could do well... and Kessiakoff if he keeps it together.

 

[airstream]

Are you questioning his manhood

No. I appreciate his courage to fight against the Evil head to head.

I think 2007 field was worse.

Di Luca compensated it by the riding for a few guys. Can anyone do it again?

 

[staubsauger]

still can't believe aqu & sapone won't be there. come on garzelli won the kom last year and betancur was my dark horse for the gc this year. and then colnago in with pozzovivo who has shown nothing except of his cera perfomance in 2008 in the gc at the giro?

at least i don't think that basso is a good enough tt anymore to put on minutes on rujano. i bet if rujano is on a good day the would time trail on a simillar level. scarponi maybe is a little bit better, but i would sware that he is going to lose minutes again in the mountains because of crazy actions like in last years vuelta.

nibali is the best tt guy of the gc competitors and the route isn't that mountainous this year, so that might be a really good chance for him to wuin il giro. but i see him more being focused on the tour and let basso be the boss at the giro to do the hattrick.

what i'm really thinking about is, that this giro in my opinion really could become the great comeback of damiano cunego as a grand tour rider. the route of this years giro should normally suit his style of climbing abillieties. except of nibali none of the other competitors would be able to take minutes on cunego in a tt anymore. and damiano has this explosive attack to distance other riders. basso, nibali, scarponi, gadret e.t.c don't have that punch. so i'm really looking forward to see in which form cunego will appear in italy and if he will be in state to focus the podium.

rujano yeah i don't think that he will find enough mountains to gain time on the other guys. i hope so, but i don't believe he can win. even if he won't lose that much time in tt.

fuglsang have to show facts this year. but with bruyneel being his boss this year i think everythings possible. maybe he will podium, maybe he will even be able to win, maybe he is going to struggle all the way. the giro is starting in his home country and he don't have to safe power for the tour so he will be high motivated. let's see what perfomance he is able to do.

i really wonder if rabo won't send at least one of the 3 gc guys to italy. when kruisjwijk announced not to appear at the giro in december, there still was the plan to let rob do his first tour of italy. i think now either kruisjwijk or mollema will do the giro for gc. maybe kruijswijk is more focussing in winning suisse this year and then going to the tour as a domestique for gesink.

 

[Zoncolan]

worse than 2004?no
i'd say at 2010 level

2010 Giro had Basso, Evans, Vino, Nibali, Wiggins, Sastre, Scarponi, Garzelli, TGBM...
A pretty solid startlist, I'd venture. I'll take Evans and Vino over pretty much anyone bar AC.

 

[Eshnar]

2010 Giro had Basso, Evans, Vino, Nibali, Wiggins, Sastre, Scarponi, Garzelli, TGBM...
A pretty solid startlist, I'd venture. I'll take Evans and Vino over pretty much anyone bar AC.

Of those, only the first 4 + Scarponi were serious contenders.