Giro 2012: Route Rumours / Our wishes

[Ferminal]

From today's Tuttosport. These are only rumours, so nothing confirmed.



After transfer and rest day the Giro will restart in the Veneto region. There will be fewer transfers between the stages, which was one of the major points why Zomegnan had to go. It also looks like no stage in France, so no Alpe d'Huez. Maybe 2013.



The concept is to create a less cruel, but still very demanding Giro. The southernmost point will be Matese. Maybe with a finish in Campitello. The focus is on classic climbs like maybe Terminillo, Macerone or Abetone. No experiments like Gardecchia and so also nothing like Rifugio Calvanico, the southern Zoncolan.

The race will touch Piemonte, but only with a hilly stage. The decicive stages will be in the last week. Tre Cime, Stelvio (tt), Pordoi and Mortirolo are mentioned and rumoured. Maybe a hilly tt around Sondrio. The last stage in Milano will again be for the sprinters.

Do they mean the stage (such a long hard mountain stage) or the fact that it was a new/untried finish?

Agreed that Stelvio TT seems like a waste, especially when it's so rarely used.

Tre Cime will be good though!

 

[Eshnar]

Do they mean the stage (such a long hard mountain stage) or the fact that it was a new/untried finish?

Agreed that Stelvio TT seems like a waste, especially when it's so rarely used.

Tre Cime will be good though!

Problems about bringing the tv equipment up there. Same for calvanico.

 

[Abdel Halim]

I realise they will never have Alpe coming straight off a descent, but they could probably do better to front load it. This year's stage isn't bad, but a bigger climb before Telegraphe/Galibier would have made it harder. 2008 they did the easy side of Galibier and maybe one other?

They could, actually. Right in the other side of the valley, there is the col du Solude, which both sides start few kilometers from Bourg d'Oisans (one of the roads starts precisely in Bourg d'Oisans btw).
This col could be perfectly climbed after the Galibier or Glandon/Croix de Fer, and just before l'Alpe.
But as we all know, ASO seems to had lost the pyrenean and alpine pages of their road atlas and since then use and re-use, over and over, the same climbs.

 

[Eshnar]

Meanwhile, you all should take a look at the Giro facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/giroditalia?sk=app_7146470109
There's a poll (organised as a tournament) about the climbs we'd like to see next year

 

[nvpacchi]

Meanwhile, you all should take a look at the Giro facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/giroditalia?sk=app_7146470109
There's a poll (organised as a tournament) about the climbs we'd like to see next year

How much weight do voter's actually carry in these polls? Is it simply for fun? I hope Fauniera will pass Corones, as its been way too long since Fauniera has been used.

FOr the other questions I tried to pick climbs I was unfamiliar with that looked challenging. Naturally everyone goes for the big named Stelvios, Grappas, etc., but I hate a climb's mystique weakened by overuse.

 

[Barrus]

How much weight do voter's actually carry in these polls? Is it simply for fun? I hope Fauniera will pass Corones, as its been way too long since Fauniera has been used.

FOr the other questions I tried to pick climbs I was unfamiliar with that looked challenging. Naturally everyone goes for the big named Stelvios, Grappas, etc., but I hate a climb's mystique weakened by overuse.

Well, the official twitter is hyping it up and announcing more interactivity between internet users and the giro, so perhaps it could have some effect

 

[cromagnon]

Amazing idea - Plan de Corones is popular (although they should really specify the approaches not just the climbs).

 

[El Pistolero]

I'd want to win on Plan de Corones for the trophy alone already.

 

[Eshnar]

How much weight do voter's actually carry in these polls? Is it simply for fun? I hope Fauniera will pass Corones, as its been way too long since Fauniera has been used.

Who knows... they'll take it into account however.
Yesterday I found the page with the tournament table, but I can't find it anymore... can someone help me?
edit: Found it

 

[Eshnar]

Quick recap of what I heard yesterday (just rumours anyway)

1. after Denmark, flat TTT in Friuli
2. some stages along the adriatic coast (Montelupone?)
3. first MTF to Campitello Matese
4. Awesome mountain stage in Tuscany (Abetone, S.Pellegrino In Alpe and Ciocco, in no particular order)
5. Hilly stage in Liguria (already told that)
6. No mountain stages in Piemonte ( ) [maybe a ITT]
7. MTF to the Tre Cime Di Lavaredo
8. dolomitic stage with MTF To Alpe Di Pampeago OR Pordoi
9. Stelvio MTT
10. Queen stage with Gavia-Mortirolo-Aprica-St.Cristina (like 1994)
11. Final stage flat to Milan

 

[jens_attacks]

10. Queen stage with Gavia-Mortirolo-Aprica-St.Cristina (like 1994)

i like


......

 

[Lupetto]

4. Awesome mountain stage in Tuscany (Abetone, S.Pellegrino In Alpe and Ciocco, in no particular order)

10. Queen stage with Gavia-Mortirolo-Aprica-St.Cristina (like 1994)

San Pellegrino in Alpe is difficult and with that steep Ciocco it is a special day.

Legend.

 

[Eshnar]

San Pellegrino in Alpe is difficult and with that steep Ciocco it is a special day.

Legend.

I really hope this isn't just a rumour

 

[Eshnar]

the last poll on facebook is
Rombo
Cervinia
San Pellegrino
Lanciano
....
I voted Rombo, but it'll lose

 

[Eshnar]

I made the MTFs profiles (based on rumours). Campitello Matese should be the only climb of that day, so I didn't made a profile.
1. Ciocco: rumours say there will be Abetone and San Pellegrino in Alpe before...

2. Tre Cime Di Lavaredo: rumours say the combo Duran/Staulanza/Giau

continue...

 

[Eshnar]

3. Pordoi: It seems Pampeago rumour has fallen... the Pordoi should be approached via Fedaia, starting from Cortina they should do a long loop with Valparola, Erbe, Gardena, Campolongo, Fedaia and Pordoi

4. Queen Stage: very likely the finish will be in Trivigno (Santa Cristina)

Do you like them?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Only thing I'd change is that instead of Santa Cristina I'd like to see them cross over the main road and finish on the Prato Valentino (16,1km, 8,2%). But of course we're pretty sure of Santa Cristina being the finish.

I'm also disappointed at no Pampeago as that can go straight after Manghen like 2008. However, the Pordoi stage inevitably means Fedaia, and lord knows me I love some Passo Fedaia.

 

[Eshnar]

Vegni interview (I'll loosely translate some sentences)
I:An easier Giro on the profiles or in the lack of transfers??
V:«Let's say tranfers will be much less, while surely climbs won't be missing, but placed in the right moments».
I:Rumours said an MTT Bormio-Stelvio; do you confirm?
V:«Stelvio will be in the race, but not as an MTT. The Giro 2012 will show some climbs that did the history of the race».
I:Can you add another historical climb?
V:«Mortirolo should be in the race too, but I can't say more».
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=41406&tp=n

 

[jens_attacks]

i've read it yesterday,it will be a hard race and i hope there will be two ITTs,we need that,one of 50 km,other one 30-40 km and please no useless stage to milano,let the decisive ITT

 

[Ferminal]

Stelvio road stage, brilliant!

 

[Eshnar]

Stelvio road stage, brilliant!

yes, I just hope it won't be included in the Mortirolo stage, it would be a waste.
It'd be awesome in a MTF to Bormio 2000.

 

[Eshnar]

i've read it yesterday,it will be a hard race and i hope there will be two ITTs,we need that,one of 50 km,other one 30-40 km and please no useless stage to milano,let the decisive ITT

one 50 km ITT (not entirely flat) imho is enough

 

[Libertine Seguros]

yes, I just hope it won't be included in the Mortirolo stage, it would be a waste.
It'd be awesome in a MTF to Bormio 2000.

Oh, yes please!

The other alternative is that the Mortirolo stage precedes it then they do the Bormio side (possibly after the Gavia?!) and finish on the shorter climb to Solda.

 

[Eshnar]

Oh, yes please!

The other alternative is that the Mortirolo stage precedes it then they do the Bormio side (possibly after the Gavia?!) and finish on the shorter climb to Solda.

This is another good option, but personally I prefer having Stelvio/Bormio 2000 BEFORE Mortirolo/Aprica/St. Cristina

 

[Michele]

On RAI tonite it was reported that after 3 days in Danmark, they would move to Verona for a nite TTT.

Then there would be also the Stelvio, by trying to do the highest finish/passage (?) in EU at 2900metres.