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50+ km TTs will scare ppl like rujano,rodriguez,gadret
they have to either compensate MTF or not include such long TTs,i personaly like them but some cyclists might skip giro because of that
i also find TTT quite boring,so im hoping for none in 2012
as far as climbs goes kronplatz was awesome last time,zoncolan has always potential to be epic stage,i d also like to see some 7+ hours stage with MTF
actually w/o contador even mediocre route can be very entertaining so lets hope he wont be there next year
they have to either compensate MTF or not include such long TTs,i personaly like them but some cyclists might skip giro because of that
i also find TTT quite boring,so im hoping for none in 2012
as far as climbs goes kronplatz was awesome last time,zoncolan has always potential to be epic stage,i d also like to see some 7+ hours stage with MTF
actually w/o contador even mediocre route can be very entertaining so lets hope he wont be there next year
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That TTT at the airport/race track (???) was pretty cool. They could do that again. It was a hilly circuit, IIRC.
EDIT: The 2009 TdF also had a TTT that was pretty cool to watch around one corner. I think the entire Skil-Shimano team wiped out and nearly the whole Saxo Bank team had trouble. Except for Cancellara, who did a 40km ITT, while the Schleck's et all tried to hold his wheel.
EDIT: The 2009 TdF also had a TTT that was pretty cool to watch around one corner. I think the entire Skil-Shimano team wiped out and nearly the whole Saxo Bank team had trouble. Except for Cancellara, who did a 40km ITT, while the Schleck's et all tried to hold his wheel.
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once in 5-6 years,we MUST have a monster once/t-mobile/usps TTT like in the good old days.give us a 78 km TTT,that's a great art.
anyway for me a grand tour should always have at least 80 km of ITT.
anyway for me a grand tour should always have at least 80 km of ITT.
My perfect Giro would have:
2 Time trials
5 MTF's
3 Other mountain stages
1 Mini 'Giro di Lombardia'
4 Breakaway stages
6 Possible sprints
- One long time trial similar to the one in the 2009 Giro. Ideally about 60 km including one or two not terribly hard climbs, some flat in between and about 10 km (flat) dirt roads. Don't know if the roads for that are anywhere to be found though, but it would be really interesting.
- One shorter time trial over flat roads as the final stage. 15-20 km should do.
- No team time trial. I do like them, just not every year.
- No uphill time trial as the last two years featured.
- Five uphill finishes, including Alpe d'Huez with some mountains before that (as suggested earlier in this topic), one insanely hard finish (Rifugio sounds pretty good for that
) and something along the lines of this years' stage to Sestriere.
- Three other mountain stages. One will be the Crostis, just not ending after the climb but taking the dirt road part on the top along. Something along the lines of this years original stage, but just stopping before the descent of the Crostis. After a climb as tough as the Crostis ridden at maximum, I think the flat bit up there could have some interesting effects.
Another stage will be a downhill finish after a hard climb but something that is less risky than the Crostis one.
- A mini Giro di Lombardia stage with a lot of smaller climbs and a finish on the Sormano (or something similar).
- More intermediate 'escapers' stages.
- 6 possible sprint stages: 3 completely flat stages, 2 in the first week and the other in the last. The other 3 stages that could end up in a bunch sprint, but would at the very least require the sprint teams to work for it.
Don't know how realistic it is and how it would work out, but it sounds interesting enough to me Bit more balanced, not just only mountain finishes. The time triallers at least have more of a chance here, though the climbers still have the lead (as it should be imo). I'd watch it anyway. Then again, it's the Giro, I'd watch whatever Zomegnan tells me to
2 Time trials
5 MTF's
3 Other mountain stages
1 Mini 'Giro di Lombardia'
4 Breakaway stages
6 Possible sprints
- One long time trial similar to the one in the 2009 Giro. Ideally about 60 km including one or two not terribly hard climbs, some flat in between and about 10 km (flat) dirt roads. Don't know if the roads for that are anywhere to be found though, but it would be really interesting.
- One shorter time trial over flat roads as the final stage. 15-20 km should do.
- No team time trial. I do like them, just not every year.
- No uphill time trial as the last two years featured.
- Five uphill finishes, including Alpe d'Huez with some mountains before that (as suggested earlier in this topic), one insanely hard finish (Rifugio sounds pretty good for that
) and something along the lines of this years' stage to Sestriere. - Three other mountain stages. One will be the Crostis, just not ending after the climb but taking the dirt road part on the top along. Something along the lines of this years original stage, but just stopping before the descent of the Crostis. After a climb as tough as the Crostis ridden at maximum, I think the flat bit up there could have some interesting effects.
Another stage will be a downhill finish after a hard climb but something that is less risky than the Crostis one.
- A mini Giro di Lombardia stage with a lot of smaller climbs and a finish on the Sormano (or something similar).
- More intermediate 'escapers' stages.
- 6 possible sprint stages: 3 completely flat stages, 2 in the first week and the other in the last. The other 3 stages that could end up in a bunch sprint, but would at the very least require the sprint teams to work for it.
Don't know how realistic it is and how it would work out, but it sounds interesting enough to me
Bit more balanced, not just only mountain finishes. The time triallers at least have more of a chance here, though the climbers still have the lead (as it should be imo). I'd watch it anyway. Then again, it's the Giro, I'd watch whatever Zomegnan tells me to 
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Lot of good ideas in this thread! I too would particularly like to see the stelvio again, and I fully expect the crostis to be in next year. It might be nice to have at least one flattish stage in the last week, to entice the sprinters to stay (but of course with a bump at the end that might or might not be enough to thwarth them..). The cinqueterre timetrial of 09 could be included again just as it was if you ask me, and a MTT, but maybe take a break from the TTT. Also a stage like val di fassa this year should be compulsory.
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UpTheRoad said:
It was the Bouygues Télécom team that wound up in the ditch.
I'd love a stage around the original 148km Targa Florio course.
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Is it possible to race on Scanuppia? Could be awesome.
http://www.climbbybike.com/profile/Scanuppia_-_Malga_Palazzo_profile.jpg
http://www.climbbybike.com/profile/Scanuppia_-_Malga_Palazzo_profile.jpg
MTF on the Stelvio would be great.
For the Alpe D'Huez stage, start it a kilo or so from the bottom of the Colle Della Finstre, continue over, down and up to Sestriere, down and over to Briancon, northwest to the Col de Lauteret, north over the Galibier and around through Saint-Jean-D'arves, to Borg-D'oisans, Alpe D'Huez. As a 260K Queen stage, this would feature some great Italian climbs with the Galibier as penultimate climb. I have no idea what the roads are like, it looks like a logical route on Google to start in Italy and end on the Alpe. If the Galibier is too impractical, start on the outskirts of Torino and head to Alpe from the Lauteret.
For the Alpe D'Huez stage, start it a kilo or so from the bottom of the Colle Della Finstre, continue over, down and up to Sestriere, down and over to Briancon, northwest to the Col de Lauteret, north over the Galibier and around through Saint-Jean-D'arves, to Borg-D'oisans, Alpe D'Huez. As a 260K Queen stage, this would feature some great Italian climbs with the Galibier as penultimate climb. I have no idea what the roads are like, it looks like a logical route on Google to start in Italy and end on the Alpe. If the Galibier is too impractical, start on the outskirts of Torino and head to Alpe from the Lauteret.
- May 6, 2009
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luckyboy said:Well, here are some death climbs for people to look at.
They should pave Alpe Fuori by Preglia/Crevodossola north of Milan.
And there's San Genesio-Edelweiss north of Bolzano
Prato Maslino is south-west of the Mortirolo/Bormio.
Also, the Pavicolo, which is north-east of the Mortirolo/Bormio.
No matter where you look in Italy you always see some crazy steep climb, or there are thousands of them that they can use.
Hopefully the Giro will focus more on the Italian Alps in 2012. In the late 90s/early 00's the Giro had more focus on the climbs in the southern Alps, the Fauniera/Eschiscie, the Sampeyre and then a MTF finish near the top of the Agnello or the Lombarde.
They have been underutilized the past few years, in favor of the Dolomites (which have some excellent mountains as well). No doubt that the Dolomite mountains are the most famous in the Giro, but they have been almost over-used the past years (except 2009). However, I think that the Giro should use the excellent geographical conditions of Italy. They have the possibility to create a mountain stage almost everywhere on the italian peninsula (and on Sicily). The possibility to make it less formulaic than the Tour (a possibility the Vuelta has as well) should be used.
So the (Italian) Alps in 2012, and then the Dolomites can return with a vengeance in 2013 !
So a 2012 that includes:
- The MTF at Alpe d'Huez which has been all but confirmed. A route via Sestrieres/Montgenevre, as I think the action will wait until the Alpe d'Huez regardless of the difficulty of the climbs before the finish.
- Keeping with the theme of the Alps in 2012, a huge stage via the Esischie and the Sampeyre with a MTF at Chianale.
- The last MTF in the race at Santuario San Anna di Vinadio (on the Lombarde) after an ascent of the Fauniera (like the cancelled stage 18 in 2001).
These three stages could be three epic, huge mountain stages at the end of the Giro.
- Several have commented on the use of an ITT like the long, hilly one i 2009. A similar ITT could be used next year, however only 40-45 km long.
- An early MTF at either Blockhaus or Gran Sasso d'Italia (don't know whether the organisers still have the Gran Sasso in their considerations, as it hasn't been used in quite a few years, though).
- A stage in the Dolomites through the Pennes, Giovo with a MTF on Maso Corto.
- The final stage to Milan should be a short stage with a sprint finish, partly to ensure that the sprinters will participate through the end, and also because I prefer the Champs-Elysees finish to the usual ITT in Milan in the Giro.
- Several hilly stages in the Appennines, to ensure stages for the escape artists and the puncheurs.
To summarize:
5 MTF (3 in the Alps)
1 long, hilly ITT (40-45 km)
Flat stage as the last stage into Milan
Several hilly stages in the Appenines.
Early MTF
They have been underutilized the past few years, in favor of the Dolomites (which have some excellent mountains as well). No doubt that the Dolomite mountains are the most famous in the Giro, but they have been almost over-used the past years (except 2009). However, I think that the Giro should use the excellent geographical conditions of Italy. They have the possibility to create a mountain stage almost everywhere on the italian peninsula (and on Sicily). The possibility to make it less formulaic than the Tour (a possibility the Vuelta has as well) should be used.
So the (Italian) Alps in 2012, and then the Dolomites can return with a vengeance in 2013 !
So a 2012 that includes:
- The MTF at Alpe d'Huez which has been all but confirmed. A route via Sestrieres/Montgenevre, as I think the action will wait until the Alpe d'Huez regardless of the difficulty of the climbs before the finish.
- Keeping with the theme of the Alps in 2012, a huge stage via the Esischie and the Sampeyre with a MTF at Chianale.
- The last MTF in the race at Santuario San Anna di Vinadio (on the Lombarde) after an ascent of the Fauniera (like the cancelled stage 18 in 2001).
These three stages could be three epic, huge mountain stages at the end of the Giro.
- Several have commented on the use of an ITT like the long, hilly one i 2009. A similar ITT could be used next year, however only 40-45 km long.
- An early MTF at either Blockhaus or Gran Sasso d'Italia (don't know whether the organisers still have the Gran Sasso in their considerations, as it hasn't been used in quite a few years, though).
- A stage in the Dolomites through the Pennes, Giovo with a MTF on Maso Corto.
- The final stage to Milan should be a short stage with a sprint finish, partly to ensure that the sprinters will participate through the end, and also because I prefer the Champs-Elysees finish to the usual ITT in Milan in the Giro.
- Several hilly stages in the Appennines, to ensure stages for the escape artists and the puncheurs.
To summarize:
5 MTF (3 in the Alps)
1 long, hilly ITT (40-45 km)
Flat stage as the last stage into Milan
Several hilly stages in the Appenines.
Early MTF
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luckyboy said:
In he contrast it spices up the race and makes mountain stages be ridden a lot more agressive
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I voted not that awesome for the Alpe. It is an awesome climb, but I don't believe that the Giro needs it.
Like someone else suggested, I think it a good idea to finish at the top of the Crostis, seeing as the organisers didn't allow them to descend it in 2011. I also think that the Zoncolan could be a MTT (straight after Crostis stage). But since they have had MTT's recently that can all be postponed until 2013.
No TTT for 2012. Good to see a prologue. Hopefully at least 2 more long ITT's. It's likely that the Mortirolo will be back next year. I'm not really knowledgeable about the Giro climbs (coming from a TDF fan background) individually, but it's not like they even need a climb like the Zoncolan in yearly; there is just so much great material for them to use.
Some of the climbs posted here look awesome.
Keep the first week interesting with plenty of medium mountains, but bring in at least a stage or 2 for the sprinters in the last week; which also gives the GC guys a well earned breather.
Like someone else suggested, I think it a good idea to finish at the top of the Crostis, seeing as the organisers didn't allow them to descend it in 2011. I also think that the Zoncolan could be a MTT (straight after Crostis stage). But since they have had MTT's recently that can all be postponed until 2013.
No TTT for 2012. Good to see a prologue. Hopefully at least 2 more long ITT's. It's likely that the Mortirolo will be back next year. I'm not really knowledgeable about the Giro climbs (coming from a TDF fan background) individually, but it's not like they even need a climb like the Zoncolan in yearly; there is just so much great material for them to use.
Some of the climbs posted here look awesome.
Keep the first week interesting with plenty of medium mountains, but bring in at least a stage or 2 for the sprinters in the last week; which also gives the GC guys a well earned breather.
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