Giro 2012: Route Rumours / Our wishes

[jens_attacks]

rujano was extraordinary on finestre,he beat his record from 2005 when they went full gas.at the top he had 2 minutes on the favourites group.keep in mind that he was on antibiotics those last few days.he still survived on sestrieres with one minute advantage on the contador group.
people still seem to forget that he lost 5 minutes on the sterrato stage.he was by far the second best climber in the race after contador.
next year,only the nervosity of the first two weeks and his little body affected of the cold weather can stop him to win il giro.

 

[The Hitch]

rujano was extraordinary on finestre,he beat his record from 2005 when they went full gas.at the top he had 2 minutes on the favourites group.keep in mind that he was on antibiotics those last few days.he still survived on sestrieres with one minute advantage on the contador group.
people still seem to forget that he lost 5 minutes on the sterrato stage.he was by far the second best climber in the race after contador.
next year,only the nervosity of the first two weeks and his little body affected of the cold weather can stop him to win il giro.

I would agree if they all started even. But they dont. Basso gets a 3 minute head start, and Scarponi maybe 1:30- 2 minutes.

 

[airstream]

Considering his weight and superdomestiques on the flat, Rujano can be blown out from the peloton on any day and nobody will be surprised. I don't rule out it's a better tactics for him. He needs an allowance to show up himself. Do you really to think he's able to fight against Basso and Scarponi, being close in the GC? It's a completely different story compared to how he attacks, having some 4-5 minutes gap.

 

[El Pistolero]

Rujano can be blown out from the peloton on any day on flat and nobody will be surprised. I don't rule out it's a better tactics for him. He needs an allowance to show up himself. Do you really to think he's able to fight against Basso and Scarponi, being close in the GC? It's a completely different story in comparison to how he attacks, having some 4-5 minutes gap.

Rujano only lost time on the strade bianche stage. He didn't lose time on any other hilly stage or flat stage.

Of course he lost time in some of the other mountain stages like the one where Tiralongo won, but that was no flat or hilly stage. Basso and Scarponi are still the biggest favorites for next year, but I wouldn't rule out Rujano.

 

[The Hitch]

Rujano can be blown out from the peloton on any day on flat and nobody will be surprised. I don't rule out it's a better tactics for him. He needs an allowance to show up himself. Do you really to think he's able to fight against Basso and Scarponi, being close in the GC? It's a completely different story in comparison to how he attacks, having some 4-5 minutes gap.

lol calm down. Hes no Levi Leipheimer but hes no worse on the flat than a lot of climbers. Hes a far better tter than for example his friend Purito, and I dont see J Rod getting blown out of the peloton much.


The fact that his best performances came on the 6% Etna and Grossglockner rather than the 12% Zoncolan and 10% Gardeccia, last year, suggest hes more than just a little climber with not too much weight to carry. Hes got lots of power in those legs.

Have you not been reading Ryo Hazukis posts about how he has the world power output record or something

 

[airstream]

lol calm down. Hes no Levi Leipheimer but hes no worse on the flat than a lot of climbers. Hes a far better tter than for example his friend Purito, and I dont see J Rod getting blown out of the peloton much.


The fact that his best performances came on the 6% Etna and Grossglockner rather than the 12% Zoncolan and 10% Gardeccia, last year, suggest hes more than just a little climber with not too much weight to carry. Hes got lots of power in those legs.

Have you not been reading Ryo Hazukis posts about how he has the world power output record or something

lol. I dont say he will be necessarily blown out. I mean its a lot harder to ride being close in the GC, as main contenders treat you differently. Or don't you doubt that Rujano could keep up Contador if he still was in the peloton at the moment of Contador's spurt?
The Hitch, how many flat TT's did you watched, where they both took part? Isnt your inference too categorical, given Purito was stronger in the city TT in Milan? Rujano was on antibiotics, but nevertheless could outclimb everyone on the Finestre, and next day failed in the discipline where "a far better" than Rodriguez? Something doesn't add up in that.

 

[El Pistolero]

lol. I dont say he will be necessarily blown out. I mean its a lot harder to ride being close in the GC, as main contenders treat you differently. Or don't you doubt that Rujano could keep up Contador if he still was in the peloton at the moment of Contador's spurt?

At Grossglockner he proved he was the only one that could keep up with Contador.

 

[Kvinto]

Rujano only lost time on the strade bianche stage. He didn't lose time on any other hilly stage or flat stage.

Of course he lost time in some of the other mountain stages like the one where Tiralongo won, but that was no flat or hilly stage. Basso and Scarponi are still the biggest favorites for next year, but I wouldn't rule out Rujano.

Not exactly. He also lost 18 seconds on the stage 8 (Sapri - Tropea, when Contador attacked on the hill before the finish but Gatto won) and to be honest Giro 2011 did not have that huge amount of hilly stages. I would say: Strade Bianche stage and Castelfidardo (stage 11, when Rujano did well, even very well). There were also 2 stages in the final week (17, 18) but they were both won by the breakaway.

 

[airstream]

At Grossglockner he proved he was the only one that could keep up with Contador.

I dont belittle Rujano's GrossGlockner, but he needs 3-4 Glossglockners to start dreaming of Maglia Rosa in Milan.

 

[El Pistolero]

I dont belittle Rujano's GrollGlockner, but he needs 3-4 Glossglockners to start dreaming of Maglia Rosa in Milan.

Still better than Andy, he needs 8 Grossglockners to start dreaming of any jersey in a GT

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Still better than Andy, he needs 8 Grossglockners to start dreaming of any jersey in a GT

Hey! Andy has 3,520 white jerseys at home!

 

[airstream]

Still better than Andy, he needs 8 Grossglockners to start dreaming of any jersey in a GT

Given the Giro field, Andy would't need to attack in the mountains at all.

 

[The Hitch]

Still better than Andy, he needs 8 Grossglockners to start dreaming of any jersey in a GT

8 Morzine Avoriaz should be fine

 

[jens_attacks]

Given the Giro field, Andy would't need to attack in the mountains at all.

bow down to the master il killer!

good times!

 

[airstream]

bow down to the master il killer!

good times!

Huh, right! To my mind it was the most spectacular Giro. Sometimes it seemed Di Luca had so much strength that didn't know what to do with that.
You all really like Andy, as I see. ,)


We'll keep in mind Galibier by Schleck and Alpe-d'Huez by Contador forever, but why no one recalls the Tre Cime di Lavaredo by Il Killer. That was brilliant.

 

[airstream]

Huh, right! To my mind it was the most spectacular Giro. Sometimes it seemed Di Luca had so much strength that didn't know what to do with that.
You all really like Andy, as I see. ,)

We'll keep in mind forever the Galibier by Schleck and Alpe-d'Huez by Contador forever, but no one recalls the Tre Cime di Lavaredo by Il Killer.

 

[Descender]

Maybe because Schleck attacked 63kms from the finish, Contador 90kms and Di Luca just some kms from the finish line?

 

[airstream]

Maybe because Schleck attacked 63kms from the finish, Contador 90kms and Di Luca just some kms from the finish line?

Di Luca worked many many km's in the front, more than Evans on the Galibiler, at least, defending against Mazzoleni, who rode in the breakaway, and then magnificently attacked!

 

[uphillstruggle]

Even in a race with just a prologue, there is too much ITT
Just like Purito

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Purito isn't too bad at prologues. Anything over 15-20 Km he will lose days

 

[Descender]

Di Luca worked many many km's in the front, more than Evans on the Galibiler, at least, defending against Mazzoleni, who rode in the breakaway, and then magnificently attacked!

I loved that stage too, all I'm saying is it's understandable people remember more Schleck's or Contador's attacks.

 

[jens_attacks]

Huh, right! To my mind it was the most spectacular Giro. Sometimes it seemed Di Luca had so much strength that didn't know what to do with that.
You all really like Andy, as I see. ,)

nah i have no problem with andy,his time will come,he's an ubertalent.it will be great for entertainment to see him at giro.the only problem is that le tour will be probably boring because no one will follow alberto in the mountain stages.
il giro is not that tough as in the last years,so i can see both frank and andy going,frank working for andy and in le tour the reverse.or both of them working for papy horner

 

[airstream]

nah i have no problem with andy,his time will come,he's an ubertalent.it will be great for entertainment to see him at giro.the only problem is that le tour will be probably boring because no one will follow alberto in the mountain stages.
il giro is not that tough as in the last years,so i can see both frank and andy going,frank working for andy and in le tour the reverse.or both of them working for papy horner

I'd love to see them on the Giro as well, but fear the sponsors wont let do that. Andy will be able to keep up, probably. I may be biased, however it seemed Nibali wasn't at his best on the Giro, although he's climber not worse than Scarponi. Michele was good, but he's a very specific climber, who needs some imaginary TT with very steep grades like on the Gardeccia. But the worst thing is they both are not flexible in the mountains and hate when the ascent passes with lots of accelerations (probably, I need some cycling idiom? ). Such a type of climber has no chances against Contador. Andy has this quality. Yes, he is not so explosive due to bigger gears and his height, but he can fire too. Moreover, Contador would never attack as boldly as on the Etna, if Andy were here, I'm sure. TdF'10 inevitably left a trace in Contador's mind. Contador is not afraid of Andy certainly. But he apprehends him very very seriously.

The problem is that the Schleck don't want to ride separately!

 

[El Pistolero]

Contador won't see Andy as a treat next year, but as a blessing in disguise. If he works together with Andy on the climbs he'll just power away from the time trial specialists more easily. Andy is no treat for the overall anyway because of the many time trials.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

contador has no competition anyway. wiggins and evans will lose minutes combined in the mountains AND in the timetrials to contador

 

[airstream]

Andy is no treat for the overall anyway because of the many time trials.

Really? Whoah! How could I forget it??? You know, all years are different. Contador rode a superb TT in Grenoble, Andy did worse than expected. But why the things are going to happen the same way next year? I read Schleck had a teeth problem during the Tour, in addition Alpe-d'Huez was his the second worst after Hautacam day thoughout all years of participating. It's always very hard to recover after such a day. Contador showed weaknesses in 2007 , having already been a specialist in ITT, in 2010 too. And looking back we see that sometimes a very close rivalry creates inexplicable things. But everyone on this forum writes only that Contador will get stronger and continue to destroy the field, whereas Andy is a loser, who blew all his chances. Ferminal is the only guy (as far as I read), who noticed, Andy was much weaker in the mountains this year and he's able to be stronger. Almost everybody concentrates on Contador and his priorities. Unpredictability is what we love sport for or I'm wrong?