Giro d'Italia 2019 rumours

[Red Rick]

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If they turn just before the top of Finestre they could go to Basset via Assietta, it's only rolling terrain (on the sterrato) but i think could do more damage than the usual descent and Sestriere.

And today in "things that will never happen"

I wish though

If the problem is the situation of the surface with the Assietta you don't need any work since the surface is at least as good as the Finestre ones and you can finish at the Basset without actually climb it.

It's not just surface

It's surface in combination with up and down riding, so they're gonna go 50kph sometimes on a dangerous surface with 100+m drops on the sides.

 

[Eshnar]

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Stage 6 seems confirmed to be Cassino - S. Giovanni Rotondo, it will be quite a long stage, and according to the rumours the route will pass through Rignano Garganico and S.Marco in Lamis, basically a Montevergine-style climb topping at ~10 km of rolling terrain to go.

I rearranged the route draft so that the various options of the second week are mentioned. At the moment the entire route has only two stage finishes missing: stage 5 and the one in the second week.


1. Bologna - S.Luca (8.2 km ITT)
2. Bologna - Fucecchio
3. Vinci - Orbetello
4. Orbetello - Frascati
5. Sabaudia? - ???
6. Cassino - S.Giovanni Rotondo
7. Vasto - L'Aquila
8. Tortoreto Lido - Pesaro
9. Riccione - S.Marino (34.7 km ITT)
rest
10 Ravenna - Modena
OPTION 1 | OPTION 2 | OPTION 3
11 Carpi - ??? | Carpi - Novi Ligure | Carpi - Rapallo?
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo | Cuneo - Pinerolo | Rapallo - Novi Ligure
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure | Pinerolo - Col Basset? | Cuneo - Pinerolo
14 Ivrea - Courmayeur
15 St. Vincent - Como(or surroundings)
rest
16 ??? - Ponte di Legno
17 Val di Sole - Anterselva
18 Dobbiaco - S. Maria di Sala
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune (or above)
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)

 

[Red Rick]

Are we expecting any major reveals or rumours coming out before the route is leaked/officially announced?

 

[Eshnar]

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Are we expecting any major reveals or rumours coming out before the route is leaked/officially announced?

well yes, as I said there are still 2 stages missing so I assume we'll get word of them before the main leak.
The presentation should be on Oct. 31st, but not official yet

 

[OlavEH]

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OPTION 1 | OPTION 2 | OPTION 3
11 Carpi - ??? | Carpi - Novi Ligure | Carpi - Rapallo?
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo | Cuneo - Pinerolo | Rapallo - Novi Ligure
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure | Pinerolo - Col Basset? | Cuneo - Pinerolo

My initial reaction was to hope for alternative 2, which would mean all of Finestre, San Carlo and Mortirolo. But I agree with Gigs_98 on overusing Finestre, and I also fear that a Finestre-Basset stage tucked in between Cuneo - Pinerolo and the Courmayeur stage, would mean more passive cycling on these stages.

Therefore I rather hope the "save" the Finestre - Sestriere/Basset combo for a later edition, and instead create a long and tough Cuneo - Pinerolo stage, like the classic stage in 49 + Pra Martino, and have a flat stage the day after to ensure less fatigued riders for the Courmayeur stage.

 

[Eshnar]

well, nothing prevents Finestre from being climbed in the Cuneo - Pinerolo instead

Tbh, the more I look at those options, the more I would dismiss all of them
I should add a couple more ...

edit: Added the option I find most reasonable

1. Bologna - S.Luca (8.2 km ITT)
2. Bologna - Fucecchio
3. Vinci - Orbetello
4. Orbetello - Frascati
5. Sabaudia? - ???
6. Cassino - S.Giovanni Rotondo
7. Vasto - L'Aquila
8. Tortoreto Lido - Pesaro
9. Riccione - S.Marino (34.7 km ITT)
rest
10 Ravenna - Modena
OPTION 1 | OPTION 2 | OPTION 3 | OPTION 4
11 Carpi - ??? | Carpi - Novi Ligure | Carpi - Rapallo? | Carpi - Novi Ligure
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo | Cuneo - Pinerolo | Rapallo - Novi Ligure | Novi Ligure - ???
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure | Pinerolo - Col Basset? | Cuneo - Pinerolo | Cuneo - Pinerolo
14 Ivrea - Courmayeur
15 St. Vincent - Como(or surroundings)
rest
16 ??? - Ponte di Legno
17 Val di Sole - Anterselva
18 Dobbiaco - S. Maria di Sala
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune (or above)
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)

 

[Nirvana]

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It's not just surface

It's surface in combination with up and down riding, so they're gonna go 50kph sometimes on a dangerous surface with 100+m drops on the sides.

I mean the surface problem of Basset climb if they can't do the road works before may, using Assietta you can finish on Basset without actually climbing it, so you avoid the road with bad surface.

 

[OlavEH]

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well, nothing prevents Finestre from being climbed in the Cuneo - Pinerolo instead

This would mean something like 130 km flat (or more) before Finestre, and probably Finestre and Pra Martino (and perhaps Monceniso) as the only climbs on the stage. Let's hope not! If they are to do a Cuneo - Pinerolo stage, I really hope the rumour about San Marino as the only stage outside Italy is wrong!

 

[Red Rick]

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well, nothing prevents Finestre from being climbed in the Cuneo - Pinerolo instead

This would mean something like 130 km flat (or more) before Finestre, and probably Finestre and Pra Martino (and perhaps Monceniso) as the only climbs on the stage. Let's hope not! If they are to do a Cuneo - Pinerolo stage, I really hope the rumour about San Marino as the only stage outside Italy is wrong!

Finestre in Cuneo-Pinerolo seems really lame, mostly because I don't want to see Finestre for the next few years.

Would've loved if it were Agnello/Izoard/Montegenevre/Sestriere/Pramartino

 

[OlavEH]

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well, nothing prevents Finestre from being climbed in the Cuneo - Pinerolo instead

This would mean something like 130 km flat (or more) before Finestre, and probably Finestre and Pra Martino (and perhaps Monceniso) as the only climbs on the stage. Let's hope not! If they are to do a Cuneo - Pinerolo stage, I really hope the rumour about San Marino as the only stage outside Italy is wrong!

Finestre in Cuneo-Pinerolo seems really lame, mostly because I don't want to see Finestre for the next few years.

Would've loved if it were Agnello/Izoard/Montegenevre/Sestriere/Pramartino

Yep, that stage would be awesome. Followed by a flat stage and then Courmayeur via San Carlo (and a couple of climbs before San Carlo).

 

[Red Rick]

Do you necessarily have to descend the Finestre on the exact road they always do or are some of the more eastern roads viable?

 

[Eshnar]

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Do you necessarily have to descend the Finestre on the exact road they always do?

yes. It's the only road they can race.

 

[Eshnar]

Meanwhile, it is basically confirmed by locals that the Cuneo - Pinerolo will be stage 12, with stage 13 starting from Pinerolo, just as options 1 and 2.
As it stands, I think the likeliest option is #2, but with a flattish stage 13 towards Ivrea. It is my new option 3

Also, one thing I totally forgot to mention: it is very likely that stage 16 will start in Lovere, so Tonale definitely out, Presolana (or Vivione...?) in.

1. Bologna - S.Luca (8.2 km ITT)
2. Bologna - Fucecchio
3. Vinci - Orbetello
4. Orbetello - Frascati
5. Sabaudia? - ???
6. Cassino - S.Giovanni Rotondo
7. Vasto - L'Aquila
8. Tortoreto Lido - Pesaro
9. Riccione - S.Marino (34.7 km ITT)
rest
10 Ravenna - Modena
OPTION 1 | OPTION 2 | OPTION 3
11 Carpi - ??? | Carpi - Novi Ligure | Carpi - Novi Ligure
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure | Pinerolo - Col Basset? | Pinerolo - ???
14 Ivrea - Courmayeur
15 St. Vincent - Como(or surroundings)
rest
16 Lovere - Ponte di Legno
17 Val di Sole - Anterselva
18 Dobbiaco - S. Maria di Sala
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune (or above)
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)

 

[Red Rick]

What is the chance that Pinerolo is nothing but Sestriere/Pramartino?

 

[Eshnar]

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What is the chance that Pinerolo is nothing but Sestriere/Pramartino?

If they have Basset the following day, I can totally see it. In any other option, no.

 

[Sestriere]

That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

 

[Red Rick]

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That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

From when is that rumor

Cause I remember in exact Eshnar quote saying 'Vivione, no way"

 

[Sestriere]

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That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

From when is that rumor

Cause I remember in exact Eshnar quote saying 'Vivione, no way"

That's what Eshnar guessed today at 22:07. So I thought I'd map it to see how it looks like.

 

[Eshnar]

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That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

From when is that rumor

Cause I remember in exact Eshnar quote saying 'Vivione, no way"

Well I still mantain that, the descent of Vivione is too dangerous for Vegni's standards. But people are talking about it anyway (mostly because of the 5500m thing), so I still wanted to mention it in the off chance it's true.

 

[OlavEH]

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That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

From when is that rumor

Cause I remember in exact Eshnar quote saying 'Vivione, no way"

Well I still mantain that, the descent of Vivione is too dangerous for Vegni's standards. But people are talking about it anyway (mostly because of the 5500m thing), so I still wanted to mention it in the off chance it's true.

***, freakin Vegni. I'm getting tired of reading "too dangerous descent according to Vegni". This seems to apply for a not insignificant number for climbs. Hope we'll get a new race director soon that is less of a wimp. And also stops using "one climb stages" which there have been far too many of the last couple of years.

 

[Eshnar]

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This is 5638m according to Cronoescalada, around 5000m according to me. I bet this is what Vegni has in mind.

 

[Red Rick]

Good length on the stage too.

Gavia would be Cima Coppi?

 

[Eshnar]

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Good length on the stage too.

Gavia would be Cima Coppi?

yes, definitely.

 

[Eshnar]

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this is also 5550m according to the editor. Here I'm less confident because there are a lot of possibilities in the Aosta valley. This is just an example.

 

[Red Rick]

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this is also 5550m according to the editor. Here I'm less confident because there are a lot of possibilities in the Aosta valley. This is just an example.

ASO would find a way to give that stage 5 HCs.

One can dream for that stage.