Giro d'Italia 2019 rumours

[Eshnar]

yeah, or so it seems. Ponte di Legno on stage 16 and Anterselva (at this point, expecting something more loaded) on stage 17. As a finish, it's extremely underwhelming, especially stage 19.

 

[Red Rick]

That's way too many Peyresourdes in the last 4 days

 

[Eshnar]

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That's way too many Peyresourdes in the last 4 days

I wish there were, actually.
I mean, stage 20 is kinda fine, it's not great but I can stand it.
Stage 19... I don't think I can look at the profile.

 

[May0maniac]

If that's stage 19, then it's a bad stage.
I don't mind stage 20, that's actually ok as the final mountain stage of a gt.
Stage 18 starting in Toblach/Dobbiaco is a bit unexpected, but another Giro stage starting 4km away from my hometown is kinda cool, so they'll have the start of the Tour de Ski and the Start of a Giro stage durning a span of 6 months, not bad.
If the Antholz stage is Biathlon themed they should go with XC Skiing on the next stage, let them ride the classic Toblach/Dobbiaco-Cortina XC route on the bike bath, almost 30km of sterrato right at the start of the stage, make it happen!
I know that that won't happen, but it would be cool, the tunnels on the descent to Cortina would be really dangerous, so you'd have to skip the sterrato descent and use the normal road after Cimabanche but still:

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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Stage 19... I don't think I can look at the profile.

Be strong, my friend.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/242213

 

[roundabout]

Manghen at 100km to go might be too far to play Finestre. And if it doesn't, it will be a 3km sprint up Croce d'Aune.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Stage 19... I don't think I can look at the profile.

Be strong, my friend.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/242213

Oh thats completely horrible. Short, easy and weak MTF. Not even Prato Nevoso or Rabassa.....

 

[Nirvana]

The only thing i can think is that Vegni want Dumoulin and Froome again so he'll soften even more the route to favour again an eventual double attempt.
Well, could be good for Valverde if the team won't force him again to go to the Tour against his will, with the MTT prologue he could complete his set of leader jersey already the first day.

Anyway the first week should be reshuffled, starting in Bologna, going to Vinci, returning to Romagna and then going down to Maremma (Orbetello?) is a non sense, and seems they'll return to Romagna again for the San Marino MTT.
Or they'll go down from Emilia and returns to Romagna after going to Lazio/Campania/Abruzzo/Marche or whatever will be or they'll stay some days between Emilia and Romagna, go down from Marche/Abruzzo and turn up from Lazio/Toscana going into Liguria before western Alps.

 

[Gigs_98]

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It's not that bad. I honestly prefer that over a super hard mtf that neutralizes previous mountain stages.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Giro 2019 Route Rumours

It's not that bad. I honestly prefer that over a super hard mtf that neutralizes previous mountain stages.

It's gonna be the worst last 5 stages since the 2011 Vuelta.

I really, really don't understand how hard it can be to understand for designers to get their macro design in order.

 

[staubsauger]

What the hell is that!? What's wrong with Vegni designing absolutely horrible Dolomites stages generally compared to the Zomegnan days? Which is strange since from my knowledge Vegni already had a strong word in the route design under Zomegnan direction.

The 2008 Giro d'Italia had 3 gorgeous Dolomites stages including the Manghen pass, Alpe di Pampeago / Reiterjoch, Pordoi, San Pellegrino, Giau, Falzarego, Fedaia, Furkelsattel / Furcia pass & Kronplatz / Plan de Corones!


So the first rumored Tre Cime mtf and then Antholzer See / Lago di Anterselva finish with Würzjoch / Erbe & Furkelsattel / Furcia eventually ends up with this horrible stage design? That's absolutele crap and Vegni knows it!

 

[ice&fire]

What bothers me most is things like that deliberate detour to go to S. Martino di Castrozza avoiding Monte Grappa as it was done in 1982. It's not the choice of the stage finish, which might be subject to political and financial considerations, but the choice of the worst possible route to get to the finish.

 

[OlavEH]

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It's not that bad. I honestly prefer that over a super hard mtf that neutralizes previous mountain stages.

I really don't think tougher last mountain stages would neutralize a San Carlo - Courmayeur stage or a Mortirolo - Ponte de Legno stage. I find it very likely that there would have been action on San Carlo and Mortirolo irrespective of the last mountain stages.

A good couple of last mountain stages would have been for example a classic Dolomite stage with a Fedaia-Pordoi finish and a stage similar to Sappada this year. The rumours now are just depressing.

 

[Laplaz]

Not only Fedaia. They really don't like north South Tyrol and climbs like Monte Giovo, Pennes, Merano 2000.

 

[May0maniac]

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Not only Fedaia. They really don't like north South Tyrol and climbs like Monte Giovo, Pennes, Merano 2000.

That part of South Tyrol also lacks big Ski stations that are willing to pay for a stage finish, it's probably more of a money thing, you don't have too many people around there who are willing to pay for a stage finish.

 

[OlavEH]

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Not only Fedaia. They really don't like north South Tyrol and climbs like Monte Giovo, Pennes, Merano 2000.

Very true. I find it strange that the climbs north of Bolzano/west of Merano are so rarely used. Or actually in general climbs in the surrounding area of the four biggest towns in Trentino (Trento, Bolzano, Merano and Rovereto).

 

[OlavEH]

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Not only Fedaia. They really don't like north South Tyrol and climbs like Monte Giovo, Pennes, Merano 2000.

That part of South Tyrol also lacks big Ski stations that are willing to pay for a stage finish, it's probably more of a money thing, you don't have too many people around there who are willing to pay for a stage finish.

There are some ski resorts in the area:

http://www.ortlerskiarena.com/de/winterurlaub-in-suedtirol.html

Strange that no one of these are never interested in paying for a stage finish. And does it always have to be about the money? Who pays for stage finish at Zoncolan?

 

[May0maniac]

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Not only Fedaia. They really don't like north South Tyrol and climbs like Monte Giovo, Pennes, Merano 2000.

That part of South Tyrol also lacks big Ski stations that are willing to pay for a stage finish, it's probably more of a money thing, you don't have too many people around there who are willing to pay for a stage finish.

There are some ski resorts in the area:

http://www.ortlerskiarena.com/de/winterurlaub-in-suedtirol.html

Strange that no one of these are never interested in paying for a stage finish. And does it always have to be about the money? Who pays for stage finish at Zoncolan?

The Friuli region pays for the stage and there is a ski resort on the Zoncolan.

 

[OlavEH]

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The Friuli region pays for the stage and there is a ski resort on the Zoncolan.

That can't be a very big resport..... But it doesn't matter if the region pays for the stage.

Merano 2000 should, at least in theory, be a probable stage finish. It looks like a medium-sized ski resort, and it's situated just above one of the bigger towns in Süd-Tirol.

I agree on the other resorts in the region. They look pretty small and are probably unable to pay for a stage finish. Too bad actually. For example, a stage finish in Reinswald via Monte Giovo and Pennes looks like a fantastic stage.

Btw; isn't the resorts sometimes owned by bigger companies which owns a bunch of ski resorts? Like Dolomiti Superski.

 

[May0maniac]

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The Friuli region pays for the stage and there is a ski resort on the Zoncolan.

That can't be a very big resport..... But it doesn't matter if the region pays for the stage.

Merano 2000 should, at least in theory, be a probable stage finish. It looks like a medium-sized ski resort, and it's situated just above one of the bigger towns in Süd-Tirol.

I agree on the other resorts in the region. They look pretty small and are probably unable to pay for a stage finish. Too bad actually. For example, a stage finish in Reinswald via Monte Giovo and Pennes looks like a fantastic stage.

Btw; isn't the resorts sometimes owned by bigger companies which owns a bunch of ski resorts? Like Dolomiti Superski.

Dolomiti Superski is not a company per se, it's a Consortium of 12 different Ski Stations/companies who work together when it comes to things like marketing and selling tickets, the income then gets divided between them, but those who sell more tickets get more of the money, so you still have competition between the various ski resorts.
Dolomiti Superski and the Ski stations that are part of it are bigger than the other ski resorts, so they are more willing to pay for a Giro stage.
Then you also have other things like Pfalzen/Falzes, a rather small village that got a few stage finishes, but durning that time it was the hometown of the (former) governor of South Tyrol.
By the way, I'd love to see more mountain stages that feature the climbs that you mentioned and the whole area around Brixen/Bressanone also has a few great climbs that should be used in a race.

 

[Bavarianrider]

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Merano 2000 would be a perfect finish indeed.

 

[Tim Booth]

Re: Giro 2019 Route Rumours

not long to wait
Monday, September 24th, the details of the route will be officially unveiled at 14.30 in Bologna

 

[Valv.Piti]

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not long to wait
Monday, September 24th, the details of the route will be officially unveiled at 14.30 in Bologna

What the.......

Nice, for some reason I thought it was a lot later like it was last year!!

 

[Eshnar]

it's just the presentation of the start in Bologna, it's not the full route.

 

[Eshnar]

Re: Giro 2019 Route Rumours

Some more updates. Taking for granted that the third week should be pretty much decided (I would say the only unclear thing is the route of the Anterselva stage), the second and first are still shuffling around.
In particular, multiple accounts have pointed at the stage to Novi Ligure being from Pinerolo, instead of from somewhere east. This stage seems to be between the Cuneo - Pinerolo and the stage to Courmayeur (this will likely start from Ivrea, which is good as it gives plenty of room for whatever climb you wanna put in). The finish in Como is in doubt, but if it drops they should still finish somewhere else in the area.
Otoh, there is the possibility that the ITT to S.Marino might come as stage 9 instead of 10 (if it was on stage 10, the second week would need a huge transfer...), which leads to some rearrangements for the first week. Good thing, on Monday the first 3(?) stages will be officially unveiled, so that should help.

1. Bologna - S.Luca (5 km ITT)
2. Vinci(???) or Carpi - Ravenna
3. Ravenna - Modena
4. Vinci (?) or Carpi(???) - Follonica (?)
5. Orbetello - Frascati (or surroundings)
6. Sabaudia - Cassino(?) (or another easy MTF in the area)
7. Ortona(?) - L'Aquila
8. ??? - ???
9. Riccione - S.Marino (~30 km ITT)
rest
10 ??? - Rapallo
11 ??? - ???
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure
14 Ivrea - Courmayeur
15 ??? - Como(or surroundings)
rest
16 ??? - Ponte di Legno
17 Val di Sole - Anterselva
18 Dobbiacco - S. Maria di Sala
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)