Giro d'Italia 2021 Race Thread - Enthusiastic Laymen Edition

[Samu Cuenca]

Quit your whining Samu

Ok

 

[gregrowlerson]

Ok

Maybe my attempted joke missed the mark.

I'll find out tomorrow if Sandisfan doesn't like it

 

[topcat]

No Vino option for an Italian race?

Bauke Mollema is a funny way to spell Vincenzo Nibali.

 

[Netserk]

This poll needs an abortion.

No Vin(cenz)o, no party.

 

[BlueRoads]

Sorry, can't change it anymore.

 

[tobydawq]

So, the team line-ups are slowly ticking in. Androni are taking the 18-year-old Ukrainian Andrii Ponomar, so I thought that must be the youngest participant since forever.

But boy was I wrong. According to the list below, in 1989 the Cuban Yans Carlos Arias Pérez rode the Giro at 3 years of age. Not quite as impressive, however, as Alberto Fernández de la Puebla who rode the race in 1983 - 2 years before he was born!

Giro d'Italia 2021 Stage 21 (ITT) results

Egan Bernal is the winner of Giro d'Italia 2021, before Damiano Caruso and Simon Yates. Filippo Ganna is the winner of the final stage.

www.procyclingstats.com

I must say that his inclusion seems a bit strange, especially when you consider that they didn't even let Bernal do the Giro when they had him in the fold as a 20-year-old in 2017.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So, the team line-ups are slowly ticking in. Androni are taking the 18-year-old Ukrainian Andrii Ponomar, so I thought that must be the youngest participant since forever.

But boy was I wrong. According to the list below, in 1989 the Cuban Yans Carlos Arias Pérez rode the Giro at 3 years of age. Not quite as impressive, however, as Alberto Fernández de la Puebla who rode the race in 1983 - 2 years before he was born!

Giro d'Italia 2021 Stage 21 (ITT) results

Egan Bernal is the winner of Giro d'Italia 2021, before Damiano Caruso and Simon Yates. Filippo Ganna is the winner of the final stage.

www.procyclingstats.com

I must say that his inclusion seems a bit strange, especially when you consider that they didn't even let Bernal do the Giro when they had him in the fold as a 20-year-old in 2017.

Especially since Ponomar, while one of the 5 best of his junior class, didn't really dominate either. Then again, not a lot of possibilities for him last year to show himself. He's a genuine talent though.

 

[BlueRoads]

According to the list below, in 1989 the Cuban Yans Carlos Arias Pérez rode the Giro at 3 years of age. Not quite as impressive, however, as Alberto Fernández de la Puebla who rode the race in 1983 - 2 years before he was born!

Okay, now those are definitely cases for the "laymen edition".

 

[tobydawq]

Especially since Ponomar, while one of the 5 best of his junior class, didn't really dominate either. Then again, not a lot of possibilities for him last year to show himself. He's a genuine talent though.

Well, maybe, but 18 years?

They have also included a 25-year-old by the name of Filippo Tagliani. I have never seen that name before...

 

[SafeBet]

So, the team line-ups are slowly ticking in. Androni are taking the 18-year-old Ukrainian Andrii Ponomar, so I thought that must be the youngest participant since forever.

But boy was I wrong. According to the list below, in 1989 the Cuban Yans Carlos Arias Pérez rode the Giro at 3 years of age. Not quite as impressive, however, as Alberto Fernández de la Puebla who rode the race in 1983 - 2 years before he was born!

Giro d'Italia 2021 Stage 21 (ITT) results

Egan Bernal is the winner of Giro d'Italia 2021, before Damiano Caruso and Simon Yates. Filippo Ganna is the winner of the final stage.

www.procyclingstats.com

I must say that his inclusion seems a bit strange, especially when you consider that they didn't even let Bernal do the Giro when they had him in the fold as a 20-year-old in 2017.

They must know he's got a big engine because he also rode Milano - Sanremo as his debut among the pros.

 

[RedheadDane]

So, the team line-ups are slowly ticking in. Androni are taking the 18-year-old Ukrainian Andrii Ponomar, so I thought that must be the youngest participant since forever.

But boy was I wrong. According to the list below, in 1989 the Cuban Yans Carlos Arias Pérez rode the Giro at 3 years of age. Not quite as impressive, however, as Alberto Fernández de la Puebla who rode the race in 1983 - 2 years before he was born!

First case: "Yes, he's doing the race on a tricycle. Yes, he needs to stop and have a nap every stage. Yes, he's being pretty slow, but he will get through!"

Second case: "We ARE bringing a full team! Our last rider just won't be born in a few more years."

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Just noticed Ponomar is riding Il Giro, bold move, even by Savio standards.

 

[Lui98]

I voted Evenepoel, but only because Nibali wasn't included in the poll

 

[Carols]

A poll without Nibali is Useless!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

This poll doesn't make any sense

"Who will win the Giro in case neither Yates nor Bernal does?"

The answer is always Evenepoel, even if Yates or Bernal win. Sheesh.

 

[topcat]

------> Prediction Thread

 

[RedheadDane]

This is your (ir)regular scheduled weird RedheadDane observation!

I bring to you the amazing tale of Is Erik Fetter Going to Attend?

First, this happened:

25/04

added

FETTER Erik

All good, right? Not an unreasonable time to start finalising your roster. Or so you'd think! Because shortly afterwards this happened:

27/04

removed

FETTER Erik

Okay, they (PCS) made a mistake, turns out he isn't going to ride after all. Or...

29/04

added

FETTER Erik

And now finally, just to hammer it home, this seems to be the final verdict:

03/05	removed	FETTER Erik	11h
03/05	removed	FETTER Erik	11h

But at least he isn't three-years-old!

 

[OlavEH]

Which riders can expect to create action and attack if they are in top form? Yates, Bernal and Evenepoel are obvious, but who else?

Will riders like Buchmann, Hindley, Carthy, Vlasov and Almeida be offensive and attack if they are in form and have the legs to do it? Almeida seemed more like a "reactive" than a "proactive" riders last Giro. Can't say that I've seen Buchmann attack many times either. Carthy and Vlasov are perhaps a bit more offensive?

 

[BlueRoads]

About the exclusion of Nibali in the poll: I was sure he either wouldn't ride or if, going for stages. Now he himself's talking about the possibility to go for GC, hm. I'm sure it's just mind games to mess with my poll, he wants to make me doubt myself.

 

[tobydawq]

First case: "Yes, he's doing the race on a tricycle. Yes, he needs to stop and have a nap every stage. Yes, he's being pretty slow, but he will get through!"

Second case: "We ARE bringing a full team! Our last rider just won't be born in a few more years."

I should have added that I knew those inclusions on the list were likely to be erroneous. The scenarios you describe did not occur.

 

[RedheadDane]

I should have added that I knew those inclusions on the list were likely to be erroneous. The scenarios you describe did not occur.

You're telling me there wasn't some toddler tailing the peloton on a tricycle back in 1989?

 

[SafeBet]

Which riders can expect to create action and attack if they are in top form? Yates, Bernal and Evenepoel are obvious, but who else?

Will riders like Buchmann, Hindley, Carthy, Vlasov and Almeida be offensive and attack if they are in form and have the legs to do it? Almeida seemed more like a "reactive" than a "proactive" riders last Giro. Can't say that I've seen Buchmann attack many times either. Carthy and Vlasov are perhaps a bit more offensive?

Carthy is a very offensive rider when in shape, even in GTs. Not quite sure about Vlasov since he has basically never ridden a GT for GC (he attacked a few times during Vuelta 2020, but he was already 5 minutes behind after a couple of stage if I remember correctly).

 

[tobydawq]

You're telling me there wasn't some toddler tailing the peloton on a tricycle back in 1989?

Yes.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Carthy is a very offensive rider when in shape, even in GTs. Not quite sure about Vlasov since he has basically never ridden a GT for GC (he attacked a few times during Vuelta 2020, but he was already 5 minutes behind after a couple of stage if I remember correctly).

For me the main question mark with Vlasov is altitude. The only time we've really seen him on a climb at altitude was in the Österreich-Rundfahrt 2 years ago, when he lost 1:25 to Hermans on the Großglockner. 2 days later he won on the Kitzbüheler Horn, so his form was apparently fine.

 

[gregrowlerson]

This poll doesn't make any sense

"Who will win the Giro in case neither Yates nor Bernal does?"

The answer is always Evenepoel, even if Yates or Bernal win. Sheesh.

Even Vino himself would always vote for the Evenepoel option