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Globalization in times of Merckx (Myth Busting)

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Hi Angus.

I actually came across his name in a wonderful book about the Tour of Lombardy that I own, with the full results of that great classic (+ all startlists) from first edition to 2009. And I was amazed to see his name and nationality (no offence) in that decade. That's why I wanted to know more about him.

That sprint that you mention is the picture of my link in that particular post.


However he definitely not turned pro right after the Olympics (unless as a trainee, for a short period of time?) because I'm sure that he raced as an amateur in the Italian circuit in 1973 winning the Piccolo Giro di Lombardia among others.

His career as a pro is definitely very decent for me. He was not a champion but the "semi-classical" single-day races in Italy - which his palmares mainly consists of - should definitely not be underrated. They're under way, now. De Vlaeminck said they were all "Ardennes" classic and much harder than the Belgian semis.


Thanks Maxiton. I didn't know that about Belize but I'm not surprised at all. Must be the same for the neighbouring countries. And probably, if there's a big talent there, he would come to Europe. A bit like Amador, from Costa Rica.
 
About the USA,

Those of you who've read The Lost Cyclist know that cycling was very popular there in the 19th century. And one of the best American road racer was Frank Waller (3rd in Rennes-Brest-Rennes 1894).

Then you had Joe Magnani in the thirties and forties who raced against Coppi. But he was of Italian descent and at age 16, he was sent back with his sister in Southeast France to relatives. That's how he got to pro cycling. He was 7th in the Worlds 1947.

http://bikeraceinfo.com/riderhistories/JosephMagnani.html


In the seventies, however, there came far more Americans. More than I thought, actually.

The first one being Tom Sneddon:
Born in 1946 and pro from 1973 to 1975, it seems he raced for Flandria for a moment. He was primarily a trackie. National champion team pursuit in 1972.

20 Mons-Hyon 1975
27 Mid-Flanders Circuit 1974
42 Gippingen GP 1974
Sneddon_Tom.jpg


Mike Neel:
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Born in 1951, pro from 1976 to 1983

8 Baracchi Trophy 1978 (partnering Bruce Biddle, of New Zealand)
10 Worlds 1976
11 Sassari-Cagliari 1977
22 Ninove (Kermess/148) 1977
21 Milan-Turin 1976
25 Tour of Friuli 1976
70 Placci Cup 1977
133 Milan Sanremo 1977
raced Tour of Corsica in 1981 for Eurobouw


Jonathan Boyer
Born in 1955, pro from 1977 to 1987. He was aged 21 when he faced an exhausted Merckx in the Dauphiné libéré and finished 26th while Merckx was 8th. Not really meaningful. But when Boyer was in his prime in 1981 (aged 25/26) old De Vlaeminck - Merckx's arch-rival - was still 2nd at the Superprestige.
Winner Stage 6 Tour of Switzerland 1984
2 Grape Race – Overijse 1982
3 Chateauroux – Indre Classic 1977
4 Gippingen GP 1977
4 Tour of Umbria 1984
5 Worlds 1980
6 Lede (kermess/170) 1977
9 Paris-Bourges 1977
9 Pantalica Trophy 1984
10 Worlds 1982 (chased by team mate LeMond)
10 Wezembeek-Oppem (kermess/170) 1977
10 Tour of Midi Pyrenées (present-day Route du Sud) 1983
11 Tour of Reggio di Calabria 1984
12 Tour of France 1983
12 Tour of Switzerland 1984
13 Midi-Libre 1977
13 Agostoni Cup 1983
14 Tour of the Oise 1981
16 Tour of Switzerland 1983
17 Liège Bastogne Liège 1984
17 Amstel Gold Race 1983
18 Paris-Roubaix 1982
19 Tour of Romandy 1981
20 Amstel Gold Race 1978
20 Tour of Romandy 1983
22 Dauphiné libéré 1981
22 Tour of Corsica 1978
23 Tour of Campania 1984 (last big win for Roger De Vlaeminck)
23 Tour of France 1982
23 Mediterranean Tour 1978
24 Ghent Wevelgem 1982
24 Tour of Switzerland 1980
24 Tour of Corsica 1982
25 Paris-Camembert 1982
26 Dauphiné libéré 1977
26 Walloon Arrow 1982
29 Grape Race – Overijse 1981
30 Worlds 1983
31 Tour of France 1984
32 Milan Sanremo 1984
32 Paris-Nice 1986
32 Tour of France 1981
32 Henninger Turm 1982
35 Tour of Italy 1985
35 Montelupo GP 1977
38 Tour of the Aude 1981
38 International Criterium 1982
39 Paris-Nice 1978
39 Dauphiné libéré 1980
40 Walloon Arrow 1984
43 Tour of Italy 1984
44 Ghent Wevelgem 1983
44 Henninger Turm 1987
48 Worlds 1981
55 Paris-Roubaix 1981
57 Ghent-Wevelgem 1987
59 Tour of Switzerland 1987
67 Worlds 1987
82 Paris-Tours 1987
86 Ghent Wevelgem 1981
90 International Criterium 1986
98 Tour of France 1987
105 Walloon Arrow 1981
 
The Eastblockers (Part 1)

I said Merckx had to face Eastblockers in his amateur period. But he actually also had to face some of the best of them in his pro period.

For there was novelty in the seventies, which is the "open" races (based on what happened in tennis).

That way, Paris-Nice 1974, 1975 & 1977 were open (1976?)

But also the Tour of Luxembourg 1974, 1976, 1977, 1981 & 1982, the Circuit de la Sarthe 1975, 1976 & 1977 (strictly amateur until 1974), Dauphiné libéré 1983 & 1984, etc. (Others?)

Usually a national Polish team would race those events in the West.


The best Eastblocker of that time was Ryszard Szurkowski of Poland (born in 1946). He was amateur World Champion in 1973 (the first time an Eastblocker won it) and 4 times a winner of the Peace Race (1970,1971,1973 & 1975)

You have his whole palmares on Mémoire du cyclisme: http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/palmares/szurkowski_ryszard.php

You can notice that his best results with the pros were a stage at the Circuit de la Sarthe and a 28th spot at Paris-Nice 1974. In that Paris-Nice he was second to Merckx in Stage 1 and 3rd to Van Linden and Leman in Stage 7a.

Some observers of the time said he was good but not super.

Other Polish guys who raced Open events in the West include:

Jozef Kaczmarek

25 Tour of Luxembourg 1974 (Freddy Maertens won)

Janusz Kowalski


27 Paris Nice 1974

Jan Brzezny

2 Circuit de la Sarthe 1975
3 Circuit de la Sarthe 1977
18 Paris-Nice 1977
34 Paris-Nice 1974


Bernard Kreczynski


52 Paris-Nice 1974

Zbigniew Krzeszowiec

56 Paris-Nice 1974

Wojciech Matusiak


6 Circuit de la Sarthe 1976

Mieczyslaw Nowicki

7 Tour of Luxembourg 1976 (Frans Verbeeck won)
10 Circuit de la Sarthe 1976 (Hinault won)

Tadeusz Mitnyk

8 Circuit de la Sarthe 1976
10 Circuit de la Sarthe 1977
18 Tour of Luxembourg 1976
61 Paris Nice 1974

Tadeusz Zawada


23 Tour of Luxembourg 1976

Lech Tomaszewski


31 Tour of Luxembourg 1976


Maybe others too !
 
Eastblockers (Part II)

Those who managed to defect to the West.

Horst Oldenburg (Germany; former GDR)

Born in 1939 in Daber Naugard (spelling?) in Nazi Germany but East of the Oder-Neisse Line, hence it's now Dobra Nowogardzka in Poland. He definitely grew up in East Germany and first raced as an amateur there, in the fifties. In 1960 he defected to the West. That was still relatively easy to do at that time since it was before the building of the Wall (1961). I think the government even gave exemption to do that, for sportsmen in particular. He got a pro contact in 1961 at age 21.

His palmarès is on Mémoire du cyclisme. You can notice that his best days as a roadie were before Merckx came up. Then he focused on the road but even on the road, Merckx proved to be a better rider.
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/palmares/oldenburg_horst.php

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Dieter Wiedemann (Germany; Former GDR)

Born in 1941. He was one of the top East German rider, 2nd at the Tour of GDR, among other results. In 1965 he took advantage of a national selection for a race in the West to defect. Got a pro contract immediately. This defection had consequences for the family. His multi-talented cousin Wolfgang Lötsch was then kept from the biggest races in the East, partly because of it. He tried to defect himself, helped by Wiedemann.

3 Stage 7 Tour of Switzerland 1965
5 Tour of the Netherlands 1965
10 Tour of Switzerland 1965
22 Four Days of Dunkirk 1967
41 Tour of Switzerland 1967
44 Tour of the North 1966
45 Hoeilaart-Diest-Hoeilaart 1967
50 Worlds 1965
53 Tour of France 1967
61 Tour of the Oise 1967
87 Paris-Brussels 1966

Siegfried Adler (Germany; former GDR)

Born in 1943. Turned pro in 1967 with Bic. How he defected to the West is unknown to me.

3 Stage 2b Four Days of Dunkirk 1967 (beaten by Guyot and Van Springel)
4 Nations GP 1967 (ITT)
5 Belgium GP 1967 (ITT)
5 Baracchi Trophy 1968 (partnering Edy Schutz)
5 Baden Baden GP 1969 (partnering Ole Ritter)
6 Baden Baden GP 1968 (partnering Rolf Wolfshohl)
8 Nations GP 1968 (ITT)
10 Lugano GP 1967 (ITT)
10 Baracchi Trophy 1967 (partnering Robert Hagmann)
15 Milan Vignola 1969
49 Laigueglia Trophy 1967
54 Paris-Luxembourg 1967
66 Milan-Turin 1969
73 Tour of Flanders 1968
OTL Tour of France 1968 Stage 3b
Four Days of Dunkirk 1967?

Maryan Polansky
(Stateless; born in Berlin in 1942, Polish descent?)

3 Cerami GP 1971
3 Léglise GP 1968
6 Kuurne Brussels Kuurne 1970
7 Brussels-Bever 1971
7 Omloop Schelde Durme 1971
8 Omloop Zennevallei 1969
9 May 1 Prize – Hoboken 1967
9 Flemish Ardennes Circuit 1969
9 Omloop van het Waasland 1969
9 Rebecq-Rognon 1970
10 Zottegem GP 1967
12 Harelbeke-Poperinge-Harelbeke 1971
14 Cyclocross of Battel 1973
14 Samyn GP – Fayt le Franc 1971
15 Grape Race – Overijse 1969
15 Brussels-Bever 1972
19 Fruit Region Circuit (Circuit des Régions fruitières) 1971
19 Ronse-Tournai-Ronse 1969
21 Flanders Championship 1972
22 Three Province Circuit 1972
23 Campine Arrow 1974
24 Closing Prize – Putte-Kappelen 1972
25 Flemish Ardenne Circuit 1971
25 Closing Prize – Putte-Kappelen 1968
27 Southwest Flemish Mount Circuit 1972
27 Hulste-Ingelmunster 1971
27 Hoeilaart-Diest-Hoeilaart 1970
28 Liège Bastogne Liège 1969
28 Mid-Belgium Circuit 1972
28 Omloop Schelde-Durme 1971
29 Zottegem GP 1971
32 Tour of East-Flanders 1970
34 Tour of Flanders 1970
35 Flandria GP 1967
36 Tour of Belgium 1970
38 Bank GP 1970
39 Harelbeke Antwerp Harelbeke (now E3 Prijs) 1970
39 Ghent-Ghent (Het Volk/Nieuwsblad) 1969
42 Mandel-Leie-Schelde Circuit 1967
60 Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne 1969
61 Tour of the North 1968
64 Paris-Luxembourg 1968
DNF Tour of Flanders 1969

Jiri Daler (Czechoslovakia)
Born in 1940. Daler was a great trackie in the East, winning the Olympic Pursuit event in Tokyo 1964, and remained so in the West, even if he did race on the road. Again, how he defected to the West is unknown to me. He was De Gribaldy's protégé. De Gribaldy is sometimes said to be responsible for globalization 20 years before we talked about it. In the derny race of Blois 1969, Daler’s trainer’s (Reverdi) pedal broke, the consequence of which was a serious hip injury for Merckx but, more dramatically, the death of his trainer Fernand Wambst.

5 Gippingen GP 1969
5 GP Petit Varois 1969
5 Paris-Camembert 1969
8 Bordeaux-Paris 1969
26 Ghent Wevelgem 1969
46 Paris-Nice 1969
49 Worlds 1969
61 Tour of Switzerland 1969

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Why on earth?

You can't pretend that these riders never existed, only because they never won a major classic or stage race.

They were among the best talents that their respective countries could produce and there was a lot of racing in these countries. That's what matters here.


If I may go on, the Australians now:

Graeme Gilmore

Born in 1945. He's Matthew Gilmore's father, who was Madison World Champion in the 90's, racing for Belgium. Graeme, himself was a great trackie too, winning 12 Sixes and one Euro Omnium Championship in 1974. Here's his palmares on the road (20% of his whole palmares)

3 Cologne-Schuld-Frechen 1972
3 Stage 7a of Paris-Nice 1975
4 Tour of Limburg 1975
17 Waasland Circuit 1969
19 Across Belgium (Dwars door België/À travers la Belgique) 1975
20 Mandel-Leie-Schelde Circuit 1975
23 Mid-Flanders Circuit 1972
45 Worlds 1969
97 Ghent-Ghent (then known as Het Volk Circuit and now Het Nieuwsblad Circuit) 1969

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Also as defending champion, Gilmore raced the Euro Omnium Championship in 1975, here are the results:

1.Eddy Merckx (B)
2.Alain van Lancker(Fr)
3.Roy Schuiten(Ned)
4.Graeme Gilmore (Austr)
5.Günther Haritz (W-G)
6.Domingo Perurena(Sp)
7.Ole Ritter(Den)
8.Jacky Mourioux(Fr)

Danny Clark

The 2nd on the Six-Days book. Again his palmares on the road. When he was 5th in the Tour of Germany, guys like Moser or Hinault would tell him he should race the GT's because he was a sprinter who could climb.

http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=7999

Winner of Stage 6 in the Tour of Denmark 1983
2 Olsene (kermess/143) 1977 (Leman wins)
2 Zwijnaarde (kermess/125) 1977
3 Omloop van Vlaamse Scheldeboorden 1977
3 Omloop Schelde-Durme 1985
4 Zottegem GP 1996
4 Wingene (Kermess/157km) 1975
5 Tour of Germany 1979
5 Aalter (140km long kermess)1975
5 Mons-Hyon 1975
6 Zele (kermess/143) 1975 (win for Roy Schuiten)
6 Erembodegem-Terjoden (Kermess/147) 1977 (win for Sercu)
8 Waarschoot (kermess/141k) 1975
9 Tour of Denmark 1984
9 Grote Scheldeprijs 1979
9 Nieuwpoort (kermess) 1975 (144km long race won by Pollentier)
10 Zomergem (kermess) 1977 (165km long race won by Dierickx)
12 Omloop Schelde-Durme 1975
14 Union GP – Dortmund 1984
17 Flanders Championship 1986
23 Tour of Luxembourg 1977
24 St Amandsberg (kermess/150) 1977 (Julien Stevens wins)
26 Closing Prize – Putte Kappelen 1976
29 Zottegem GP 1977

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And I'll end with the other Australian (after that I won't annoy you any longer)


Don Allan

Born in 1949

The first Aussie to win a GT stage. He was a great amateur winning stages in the Peace Race and in the Tour of Austria

http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/11/where-are-they-now-don-allan/

By 1977, he got a contract with Ti-Raleigh and started a fruitful partnership with Danny Clark in the Sixes, winning 16 of them.

Winner of the 2nd stage of the Tour of the Netherlands 1975
Winner of the 17th stage of the Tour of Spain 1975
4 Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne 1974
4 Tour of Gelderland 1974
9 Worlds 1976
12 Tour of Mid-Zealand 1974
15 Tour of IJsselmonding 1975
22 Worlds 1975 (4’06” behind Kuiper; Lloyd – UK – finished 23th 8’59” behind Kuiper)
22 Union GP – Dortmund 1977
22 Hulste-Ingelmunster 1981
24 Tour of the Netherlands 1976
25 Grote Scheldeprijs 1974
27 Amstel Gold Race 1975
29 Gippingen GP 1976
37 Tour of the Netherlands 1975
52 Tour of Spain 1975
63 Tour of the Netherlands 1978
84 Ghent-Wevelgem 1974
85 Tour of France 1975
88 Paris-Tours 1976
104 Tour of France 1974
DNF Tour of Flanders 1974 and 1975
DNF Tour of Spain 1976 (broke his wrist)


Clyde Sefton

Born in 1951

Sefton was second to Kuiper at the Olympics 1972 and will race for the Italian amateur team Siapa, along with Gary Clively, by the end of 1973. That team was founded by an Australian swimmer living in Italy. He won the Commonwealth Game in 1974 and the Aussie Nats in 1976 before turning pro in 1977. Remo Sansonetti said he was one of the hardest to beat on the Australian soil along with Phil Anderson.

Sefton sitting and Clively standing on the right (I think)

seftoneclivelyov3.jpg


2 Tour of Piedmont 1978
2 Tour of Romagna 1978
5 Tour of Lazio 1980
5 Tour of Umbria 1978
5 Tour of Veneto 1982
6 Climb race of Cantagrillo 1978
6 Prato GP 1978
6 Tour of Veneto 1978
6 Tour of Emily 1979
9 Tour of Veneto 1980
10 Milan-Sanremo 1978
10 Milano-Vignola 1977
10 Placci Cup 1978
12 Tour of Lombardy 1978
12 Tour of Campania 1978
12 Tour of Friuli 1977
14 Tour of Friuli 1978
14 Prato GP 1979
15 Agostoni Cup 1978
16 Tour of Emily 1978
16 Milan-Vignola 1979
17 Milan-Turin 1980
18 Milan-Turin 1979
19 Tour of Tuscany 1979
21 Milan-Turin 1978
22 Placci Cup 1980
23 Tour of Umbria 1977
23 Tour of Lazio 1978
23 Tour of Puglia 1978
24 Worlds 1979
24 Tour of Latium 1979
24 Tour of Veneto 1979
25 Three Varesine Valleys 1978
25 Milan Vignola 1978
26 Milan Sanremo 1979
27 Tour of Emily 1977
28 Tour of Sardegna 1978
28 Placci Cup 1979
30 Worlds 1977.
30 Prato GP 1977
35 Agostoni Cup 1977
41 Tour of Lazio 1977
43 Tour of Veneto 1977
46 Milan-Turin 1977
49 Tour of Switzerland 1978
50 Championship of Zurich 1978
61 Sabattini Cup 1978
87 Laigueglia Trophy 1978
DNF Tours of Italy 1977 and 1979


Gary Clively

Born in 1955

Not easy to compare because he was still a "kid" when Merckx stopped but still he turned pro in 1975 and called it quit by 1978, apparently home-sick and said he was not made for pro cycling. He never came to Europe again, converted to Hare-Krishna and by 1989 he was national champion again at age 34.

Explained in Dutch here: http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/2007/10/06/wielerprof-gary-clively-bij-de-hare-krishna.aspx
2 Camaiore GP 1976
3 Sassari Cagliari 1976
3 Tour of Reggio di Calabria 1976
7 Laigueglia Trophy 1976
7 Pantalica Trophy 1976
7 Tour of Spain 1977
8 Agostoni Cup 1975
8 Catalan Week 1976
9 Forli GP 1977 (ITT)
13 Milan-Vignola 1976
18 Tour of Sardegna 1976
19 Tour of Tuscany 1976
21 Tirreno Adriatico 1977
21 Tour of Emily 1975
21 Prato GP 1976
24 Tour of Sardegna 1977
25 Tour of Reggio di Calabria 1977
26 Tour of Flanders 1977
34 Milan Sanremo 1976
40 Sabattini Cup 1976
44 Tour of Italy 1976: 4th in the 258km long 16th stage over the Ghisallo behind De Vlaeminck, Moser and Gimondi but preceding Bergamo and Merckx
51 Agostoni Cup 1977
54 Montelupo GP 1976
59 Placci Cup 1977
131 Milan Sanremo 1977

Dave Watson
Born in 1946

51 Ghent Wevelgem 1973
68 Paris-Nice 1971
E5 Heverlee 1972 (don’t know his spot at the finish but he did race it)

Tony Kelliher
Born in 1944

Won the Launceston Sixes. Track specialist, I think.

3 Wingene (kermess/150) 1970
4 Merelbeke (kermess/140) 1970
6 Lokeren (kermess/149) 1970
7 Destelbergen (kermess/145) 1970
8 Landegem (kermess/154) 1970
9 Nazareth (kermess/135) 1970
15 Harelbeke (kermess/156) 1970 (win for Sercu; De Vlaeminck 2nd)
20 Wetteren (kermess/150) 1970
21 Wortegem (kermess/160) 1970
22 Circuit des frontières/Border Circuit 1971
DNF Tour of Luxembourg (Stage 3a) 1971

Bob Wetters
Born in 1939

Twice a winner in Launceston and 2nd in the HST

2 Ronse-Tournai-Ronse 1972 (181km/25 sec behind winner Aimé Delaere)
2 Zwijnaerde (kermess/125) 1972
6 Coast Arrow (Kustpijl/Flèche côtière) 1972 (190km)
36 Southwest Flemish Mount Circuit 1972

Bob%20Whetters.jpg


Steve Williams

Raced the Tour of Switzerland 1972 as a trainee for Ti-Raleigh but did not finish it and didn't get a contract.

Graham McVilly


3 times a winner at the HST and twice nat champion.

He got a contract with Sonolor Gitane on July 26 1974 till the end of the year but I don't which race he did in Europe. Unfortunately he died in 2002 at an Equestrian contest.

Neville Veale


42 Gippingen GP 1971
46 Bank GP 1965

Laurie Venn
Born in 1953

Australian champion and winner of the National Party Tour. Contracted by 7-Eleven in 1986


21 Zottegem GP 1977

Keith Oliver Jr

Born in 1941

Oliver,%20Keith.jpg


5 Wuustwezel (kermess/173) 1971
27 Grote Schelde Prijs 1971

Winner of the HST in 1969

Bill Lawrie
Born in 1934. Died in 1997.

Won the HST in 1963. Partnered Ron Baensch in Euro Sixes.

12 Hulste-Ingelmunster 1966
30 Cerami GP 1965
32 Worlds 1969
54 Worlds 1965


I would add that the Tour Down Under was already held in the Seventies.

Bernard Hinault raced it twice as a pro. Vandenbroucke JL, Albert Zweifel (future cross Great), Fedor den Hertog, Frans Kerremans (former 2nd in Flanders), Bert Pronk, etc. also raced it as pros: http://ronnydeschepper.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/tour-down-under/


Also you had African riders back then.

A certain Paul Tachteris (from Rwanda, would you believe it):

17 Halle Arrow 1977
26 West-Brabant Circuit 1979
27 Closing Prize – Putte-Kappelen 1978
30 Brussels-Ingooigem 1977

And also a Congolese called Constantin Kabemba who raced the TTT at the Olympics 1968 but raced in Europe afterwards as a pro.
 
I did understand the argument but again, the most important is that the possibility existed for talents from overseas to race against the top Western Euros and the best of them grabbed their chances.

If the Western Euros were the best, that's the sheer law of the sport.
 
Echoes said:
And I'll end with the other Australian (after that I won't annoy you any longer)


Don Allan

Born in 1949

The first Aussie to win a GT stage. He was a great amateur winning stages in the Peace Race and in the Tour of Austria

http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/11/where-are-they-now-don-allan/

By 1977, he got a contract with Ti-Raleigh and started a fruitful partnership with Danny Clark in the Sixes, winning 16 of them.




Clyde Sefton

Born in 1951

Sefton was second to Kuiper at the Olympics 1972 and will race for the Italian amateur team Siapa, along with Gary Clively, by the end of 1973. That team was founded by an Australian swimmer living in Italy. He won the Commonwealth Game in 1974 and the Aussie Nats in 1976 before turning pro in 1977. Remo Sansonetti said he was one of the hardest to beat on the Australian soil along with Phil Anderson.

Sefton sitting and Clively standing on the right (I think)

seftoneclivelyov3.jpg





Gary Clively

Born in 1955

Not easy to compare because he was still a "kid" when Merckx stopped but still he turned pro in 1975 and called it quit by 1978, apparently home-sick and said he was not made for pro cycling. He never came to Europe again, converted to Hare-Krishna and by 1989 he was national champion again at age 34.

Explained in Dutch here: http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/2007/10/06/wielerprof-gary-clively-bij-de-hare-krishna.aspx


Dave Watson
Born in 1946

51 Ghent Wevelgem 1973
68 Paris-Nice 1971
E5 Heverlee 1972 (don’t know his spot at the finish but he did race it)

Tony Kelliher
Born in 1944

Won the Launceston Sixes. Track specialist, I think.



Bob Wetters
Born in 1939

Twice a winner in Launceston and 2nd in the HST

2 Ronse-Tournai-Ronse 1972 (181km/25 sec behind winner Aimé Delaere)
2 Zwijnaerde (kermess/125) 1972
6 Coast Arrow (Kustpijl/Flèche côtière) 1972 (190km)
36 Southwest Flemish Mount Circuit 1972

Bob%20Whetters.jpg


Steve Williams

Raced the Tour of Switzerland 1972 as a trainee for Ti-Raleigh but did not finish it and didn't get a contract.

Graham McVilly


3 times a winner at the HST and twice nat champion.

He got a contract with Sonolor Gitane on July 26 1974 till the end of the year but I don't which race he did in Europe. Unfortunately he died in 2002 at an Equestrian contest.

Neville Veale


42 Gippingen GP 1971
46 Bank GP 1965

Laurie Venn
Born in 1953

Australian champion and winner of the National Party Tour. Contracted by 7-Eleven in 1986


21 Zottegem GP 1977

Keith Oliver Jr

Born in 1941

Oliver,%20Keith.jpg


5 Wuustwezel (kermess/173) 1971
27 Grote Schelde Prijs 1971

Winner of the HST in 1969

Bill Lawrie
Born in 1934. Died in 1997.

Won the HST in 1963. Partnered Ron Baensch in Euro Sixes.

12 Hulste-Ingelmunster 1966
30 Cerami GP 1965
32 Worlds 1969
54 Worlds 1965


I would add that the Tour Down Under was already held in the Seventies.

Bernard Hinault raced it twice as a pro. Vandenbroucke JL, Albert Zweifel (future cross Great), Fedor den Hertog, Frans Kerremans (former 2nd in Flanders), Bert Pronk, etc. also raced it as pros: http://ronnydeschepper.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/tour-down-under/


Also you had African riders back then.

A certain Paul Tachteris (from Rwanda, would you believe it):



And also a Congolese called Constantin Kabemba who raced the TTT at the Olympics 1968 but raced in Europe afterwards as a pro.

Clivey was something else. Did he not finish the Vuelta in 7th on no training?
 
Echoes said:
Coming across the Evans thread I again read some of these myths: In the 70's cycling was an all European affair, Merckx never had to face Australians, Americans, South Americans, Eastern-Blockers, etc.

WRONG !


First, a historical background:

By the early 20th century until WWII, the three big cycling nations were France, Italy and Belgium (Britain was great in the 19th but that's it). The rest were isolated cases. A handful of Luxembourger for each generation. Same for the Swiss. Some Spanish climbers came up in the thirties. Some Germans came up at the same times. Dutchies arrived in the late thirties.

On top of that, if the years 1910's were somewhat "internationalized", the interbellum years were not. Italians were racing at home only and almost no foreigners went there. Hence, the Binda's, Girardengo's, Guerra's and Bartali's of this world could build up a palmarès that on paper seems comparable to later champions' but against a far lesser field (and building the myth of the campionissimo and his gregarii). Only in French races could you have some sort of internationalized field (and yet ..).

After WWII and the creation of the Desgrange Colombo Challenge, most of the top classics and GT had an international field. And by the time Merckx came up all Western European nations were great in quality and number, which wasn't the case before. This includes Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and even the UK and Scandinavia.

But what about the rest ???


Let's start with Latin America:

Many races were already held there, races that exist today and that some of you like: Tour of Colombia, Clasico RCN and Tour of Tachira.

The best South American riders in those days was a Colombian named Martin Rodriguez and better known as Cochise (4 Tour of Colombia, 3 Tachira, 1 RCN, Amateur Pursuit Champion). He was born in 1942.

First encounter with Euros was at the Amateur Worlds in 1968. He was 4th. Then he would attempt at the Hour Record, in 1970, in Mexico on the same track as Ole Ritter. 47km566 against 48653 for Ritter. It was the new Amateur World Record but at age 27 he was definitely in his prime. Even Ferdinand Bracke who set the previous record in Rome at sea level had a better mark.

By 1972 Cochise turned pro. His best results in big races were:
5th in the World Pursuit Championship 1972
8th in the World Pursuit Championship 1973
11th in the World Championship 1974
15th in the World Championship 1973
16th in the Tour of Lombardy 1975
17th in the Tour of Lombardy 1974
18th in the Giro 1974
19th in the World Championship 1975
27th in the Tour of France 1975
33rd in the Giro 1975
41st in the Giro 1973
71st in Milan Sanremo 1974
73rd in Milan Sanremo 1973

His wins as a pro:
Baracchi Trophy 1973 (partnering Felice Gimondi)
Camaiore GP 1973


Cochise was a truly great rider but to defy Merckx, he was not good enough.


The Colombians also had a big Flandrian, which is no longer the case today. Giovanni Jimenez won a lot of kermess races in Belgium and finished the Tour of Flanders in 1973 (32nd) and the Worlds in 1971 (33rd).

To close the chapter about Latin America I would add that Jempi Monseré had to deal with a Mexican rider in the pre-Olympic race he won in Mexico in 1967. They were in the break all day along, across the mountains, caught by a small group but Jempi won the sprint.


Eastern Block

Of course during the Cold War, cyclists from the Communist World could not turn pro in the West. However I'm still wondering why tennis aces such as Lendl or Nastase could? But well ...

Did Merckx ever have to face a Eastern European in his career? Of course he did.

In Sallanches 1964, the Easterners were there. Alexei Petrov even finished 7th. Petrov already had a reputation as great TTist in the Eastern block. Merckx was 19, a kid. Petrov was 27, in his prime. And the route was really hard.

Again, Jempi Monseré and even Roger De Vlaeminck had to cope with Eastern blockers too in their Amateur years. At the Worlds in Heerlen Monseré was in the leading group with Klaus Ampler (DDR), Conti and René Pijnen. But Jempi made a mistake and stopped pulling, the chasers came back. Graham Webb won. Monseré was 10th, De Vlaeminck 7th and Ampler was behind. Ampler was 26 (in his prime) and already had a huge reputation as Peace Race winner among other big wins, De Vlaeminck was 20, Monseré was 19 (kids).

Australia (+ New Zealand)

Australia has a huge tradition in track cycling. The best trackies in Merckx's time were Danny Clark and Graeme Gilmore. Of course, both were also roadies but when they got to road races in their spare time, they didn't have quite the same results as say Patrick Sercu for example, who made the same transition.

But Australia's road cycling history did not start with Phil Anderson. Already in 1914 Don Kirckham finished 9th in Milan Sanremo (I said above the 1910's were a first Golden Era), Ivor Munro 26th, Charles Piercey 28th. In the 1920's the great Sir Hubert Opperman came to Europe and won Paris-Brest-Paris, the Bol d'Or and was 3rd in Paris-Brussels, among others. One of his team mates was a Kiwi, whose name I don't remember.

Also many races that still exist today have a long history, such as Grafton to Invernell, the Herald Sun Tour or Melbourne to Warrnambool. 1957 winner of the Herald Sun Tour Russell Mockridge also defied the Euros. He was probably one of the greatest Australian talents ever but in Europe he mainly won kermess races + the Six-Days of Paris. He still managed to finish 42nd in Paris-Roubaix. To my knowledge, the first Aussie to finish the race. Oh by the way, did Coppi ever face an Aussie? Yes, in this Paris-Roubaix and ... two famous pursuit test matches against Syd Pattersson (very high regarded).

In times of Merckx, the best Aussies had the name Gary Clively, Don Allan and Bill Lawrie + Graeme Gilmore and Danny Clark.
And the Kiwi Bruce Biddle. All more than decent riders.

The USA

Here I have to admit that they weren't huge in number. Still, I can find two name: Mike Neel and George Mount.

Mount got to know Merckx when the latter got to Pennsylvania with Patrick Sercu for a Six-Days race. Merckx told him: "if you want to win races, go to France; if you want to learn about bike racing, go to Italy."

Mount just finished 6th in the Olympic Road Race in Montreal.
Neel didn't finish that race due to crash but yet he got a pro contract just after that and was selected for the Worlds in Ostuni. Far behind Maertens and Moser, Merckx won the sprint of a small peloton. Behind him were up-and-coming French talent Hinault, Felice Gimondi, Jan Raas, Aussie Don Allan and ... Mike Neel as 10th. He would never made another great performance like that one.

That pic is priceless:

mikeneel-worlds.jpg


He's far left.


Conclusion


In my opinion, the non-Euros started to win big (the 80's) when Euro cycling started to decline. Don't forget that between WWII (and even before) and the 70's, cycling was the top most popular sport in Europe. Popular culture was full of reference to cycling: French cinema, Italian cinema, Belgian litterature, etc. Its popularity was well ahead of football's or tennis'. This is by far no longer the case.

The bike was also the most popular means of locomotion until the vespa came up in the mid-fifties (which led to a cycle crisis and the first extra-sport sponsor). Before that, everybody used the bike in everyday life and for their jobs. Coppi was a delivery man for a grocist. He used his bike. Same for Bobet, Van Looy, Kübler, Van Steenbergen, Impanis, etc.

When Merckx started cycling, the vespa had come up. Yet, I had the info that only 20% of working class people could afford it (which was already a huge progress).

By the 80's Europe started becoming really prosperous. Eddy Planckaert considered himself a "luxury Flandrian". He didn't bother to train in winter. Neither did Hinault actually. No wonder that the World #1 was a mighty Irish farmer still driving a tractor when his future manager first met him.


PS: Damn, I should really stop typing novels ! :D

Yes the Aussies had good riders during Merckx's time but mainly on the track. Danny Clarke won over 60 Six Day races in his career. Only a handful of riders have bettered that figure including Patrick Sercu and Peter Post. Anderson kick started road cycling in Australia And Hubert Opperman was one of the first Australians to win in Europe which made him a kind of cult hero at the time. The history is fascinating if people are interested.
 
Echoes said:
The Eastblockers (Part 1)

I said Merckx had to face Eastblockers in his amateur period. But he actually also had to face some of the best of them in his pro period.

For there was novelty in the seventies, which is the "open" races (based on what happened in tennis).

That way, Paris-Nice 1974, 1975 & 1977 were open (1976?)

But also the Tour of Luxembourg 1974, 1976, 1977, 1981 & 1982, the Circuit de la Sarthe 1975, 1976 & 1977 (strictly amateur until 1974), Dauphiné libéré 1983 & 1984, etc. (Others?)

Usually a national Polish team would race those events in the West.


The best Eastblocker of that time was Ryszard Szurkowski of Poland (born in 1946). He was amateur World Champion in 1973 (the first time an Eastblocker won it) and 4 times a winner of the Peace Race (1970,1971,1973 & 1975)

You have his whole palmares on Mémoire du cyclisme: http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/palmares/szurkowski_ryszard.php

You can notice that his best results with the pros were a stage at the Circuit de la Sarthe and a 28th spot at Paris-Nice 1974. In that Paris-Nice he was second to Merckx in Stage 1 and 3rd to Van Linden and Leman in Stage 7a.

Some observers of the time said he was good but not super.

Other Polish guys who raced Open events in the West include:

Jozef Kaczmarek

25 Tour of Luxembourg 1974 (Freddy Maertens won)

Janusz Kowalski


27 Paris Nice 1974

Jan Brzezny

2 Circuit de la Sarthe 1975
3 Circuit de la Sarthe 1977
18 Paris-Nice 1977
34 Paris-Nice 1974


Bernard Kreczynski


52 Paris-Nice 1974

Zbigniew Krzeszowiec

56 Paris-Nice 1974

Wojciech Matusiak


6 Circuit de la Sarthe 1976

Mieczyslaw Nowicki

7 Tour of Luxembourg 1976 (Frans Verbeeck won)
10 Circuit de la Sarthe 1976 (Hinault won)

Tadeusz Mitnyk

8 Circuit de la Sarthe 1976
10 Circuit de la Sarthe 1977
18 Tour of Luxembourg 1976
61 Paris Nice 1974

Tadeusz Zawada


23 Tour of Luxembourg 1976

Lech Tomaszewski


31 Tour of Luxembourg 1976


Maybe others too !




Sergei Sukhoruchenkov. At 1980 Summer Olympics he became the champion in the road race. He is Honored Master of Sports, member of the Armed Forces sports team. Among his many achievements are: multiple champion of the USSR in 1979-1983, champion of the Soviet Union in the stage race for the prize of "Socialist Industry" newspaper. Twice (1979 and 1984) he won the individual title at Zavod Miru cycling race and three times he was part of the winning team (1979, 1981, 1984).

In 1978 and 1979 Sukhoruchenkov won Tour de l'Avenir, and in 1979 he was the winner of the General Classification at Giro delle Regione, U23 (Italy). In 1979, 1980 and 1981 he was recognized as the best world amateur cyclist by L'Équipe newspaper. He was awarded the Order of Friendship.

At present, Sukhoruchenkov lives in St. Petersburg and works as a coach and director of Burevestnik Sport School. He also won the Coors Classic when it was Pro/Am. Supposed to be on the of the most talented road cyclists never to turn pro.
 
Basically, Sergey won anything that was mountainous that he entered in those days. The 1979 Peace Race was an uncharacteristically mountainous route as it went all the way through Slovakia and featured some hard mountain stages; Sukhoruchenkov won the 4th stage, to Banská Bystrica over a number of climbs, by 3'55, and followed up the next day by getting in a break along with 1977 winner and teammate Aavo Pikkuus and attacking for the win into Košice. He underlined his advantage with 2nd in the hilly ITT in Nowy Sącz and then defended his lead of over 6 minutes throughout the flatter second half of the race in to Berlin.

His second triumph in 1984 was a much tenser affair, over a more typical Peace Race route, from Berlin to Prague to Warsaw and featuring mostly some very tough rolling terrain and bone-rattling cobbles. Klaus Ullrich Huhn's description of his triumph was that he waited to use the same system as he had when he won before, waiting for the stage with the most mountains and then going from afar. This stage was from Trutnow to Karpacz, and he won it from the break and took the lead just ahead of Nencho Staikov, who had won the previous most mountainous stage into Most.

However, routes that suited the strong climber in the Ostbloc were not as numerous as those in the West, though I don't know if he and Staikow renewed their rivalry in the Tour of Bulgaria, which the latter won 4 times (also winning the Tour de Normandie and finishing on the podium of the Circuit des Ardennes twice), and I don't know about the Tour of Yugoslavia either.

His daughter is a pretty strong cyclist too, who's won the Thüringen Rundfahrt and picked up an Olympic medal last year.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Basically, Sergey won anything that was mountainous that he entered in those days. The 1979 Peace Race was an uncharacteristically mountainous route as it went all the way through Slovakia and featured some hard mountain stages; Sukhoruchenkov won the 4th stage, to Banská Bystrica over a number of climbs, by 3'55, and followed up the next day by getting in a break along with 1977 winner and teammate Aavo Pikkuus and attacking for the win into Košice. He underlined his advantage with 2nd in the hilly ITT in Nowy Sącz and then defended his lead of over 6 minutes throughout the flatter second half of the race in to Berlin.

His second triumph in 1984 was a much tenser affair, over a more typical Peace Race route, from Berlin to Prague to Warsaw and featuring mostly some very tough rolling terrain and bone-rattling cobbles. Klaus Ullrich Huhn's description of his triumph was that he waited to use the same system as he had when he won before, waiting for the stage with the most mountains and then going from afar. This stage was from Trutnow to Karpacz, and he won it from the break and took the lead just ahead of Nencho Staikov, who had won the previous most mountainous stage into Most.

However, routes that suited the strong climber in the Ostbloc were not as numerous as those in the West, though I don't know if he and Staikow renewed their rivalry in the Tour of Bulgaria, which the latter won 4 times (also winning the Tour de Normandie and finishing on the podium of the Circuit des Ardennes twice), and I don't know about the Tour of Yugoslavia either.

His daughter is a pretty strong cyclist too, who's won the Thüringen Rundfahrt and picked up an Olympic medal last year.

Yes his daughter picked up a Bronze medal. The old version of the Peace Race was very hard from what I read. Avenir was also a good race and seen as more a of a step below the Dauphine and the Tour.
 
Oh, the Peace Race was really tough, sure. But a lot of the time a lot of the difficulty was to do with the horrendous surfaces, with lots of time spent on either Plattenweg or Kopfsteinpflasterstraßen that really tested a rider's endurance. Remember, the most iconic climb of the race is the short, cobbled Steiler Wand von Meerane rather than any of the longer climbs in the Erzgebirge or the Carpathians, where Sukhoruchenkov would make his moves.
 
Duartista said:
It was when they were very over the hill, in 1958 I believe. They were touring velodromes in South America, but when they got to Colombia they were asked to compete in a specially organised road race including a tough climb, I don't remember which one...........
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In the 50's European pros were regularly invited to "exotic" destinations to race against the local racers and presumably promote cycling there (Of course it's known that Coppi died from it as he got malaria in western Africa while Geminiani survived because of a timely diagnosis)

It must have been at the end of 1952 that Coppi and Koblet, and probably others as well, were invited to Venezuela. They traveled by boat! On the way back, at sea, Koblet was sick but could not be treated with the proper antibiotics until they reached Europe.

He had syphilis and it can be assumed that he never regained his form of 1950-51 because of the consequences of the delayed treatment.

The story was told to me by a cyclist from Rennes who is now around 90 years old. If I see him this year I will try to remember and ask him more details.
 
Hello to all!!

I have been member of this forum for a while, but I haven't much time to post, so I am mainly one of the persons that read and leanr, and talks too few. I am a portuguese amateur cycling and motorsport historian, and a very curious person, I am always looking for the unknwon things.... I know Merckx, Anquetil, Coppi & Co. are fascinating, but there's so much about them... so I tend to go for the unknwon stories and the "outside of West Europe" history. I note here that my own country is more or less isolated, part from some Vuelta participations and Agostinho, portuguese cycling teams have almost no projection, mainly in late 70's/80's.

When I saw this thread, I really felt it was some of the most interesting topics I've ever seen, and I learnt a lot; I contacted some of the people who posted to learn more, and I have also my own contribution. So, let's write a little "novel", as Echoes says :rolleyes:


- In first place, let's talk about Peace Race. Although, based on what I read and seen, it wasn't nearly the amateur TDF, because it lacked big climbs like the Alps; or the Dolomites in the Baby Giro; it was a really hard race and I have tried to create a route on Tracks4Bikers, simulating a futuristic pro Peace Race, based on the older one, and I found several sharp climbs. We don't need to go further, as Poland Tour this year (apart from the Trentino) had some terrific stages, mainly the one Atapuma won.
But in matter of fact, Peace Race achieved on thing that, despite all political conotations it had, can't be denied - it was the most global race ever. Looking for the period between 1948 and 1990, the last year of the Iron Curtain (although the Berlin Wall fell months after my birthday, in 1989), we can find a so-wide range of nations... I'll make some stats tomorrow and I'll continue my post
 
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In 1970 (year chosen fairly at random, though checking a few others it looks representative), there were 4 riders in the top 20 not from the big 4 cycling nations (Frace, Spain, Italy, Belgium). All european.

In 2013, there were 11. Including 4 non-europeans and Froome
 
To see the strength of the sowjet squad, one should mention the Tour of Luxembourg in 1981. It was of course not a great race for professionals, but had a good starting field with Sean Kelly, Hennie Kuiper, Claude Criquiélion and Steven Rooks. The team of the USSR won the half of the stages and destroyed the field completly on the last stage, where they attacked as a team and won by a great margin http://www.cyclingarchives.com/ritfiche.php?ritid=66149#first and so the general classification http://www.cyclingarchives.com/ritfiche.php?ritid=61513#first.

General Classification:
1. Youri BARINOV (Urs-am) en 19h04'42"
2. Igor Bokov (Urs-am) à 26"
3. Riho Suun (Urs-am) à 1'14"
4. Sergei Soukhotoutchenkov (Urs-am) à 7'13"
5. Shakhit Zagretidinov (Urs-am) à 8'25"
6. Lucien Didier (Lux) à 9'47"
...
 
Cannavaro said:
To see the strength of the sowjet squad, one should mention the Tour of Luxembourg in 1981. It was of course not a great race for professionals, but had a good starting field with Sean Kelly, Hennie Kuiper, Claude Criquiélion and Steven Rooks. The team of the USSR won the half of the stages and destroyed the field completly on the last stage, where they attacked as a team and won by a great margin http://www.cyclingarchives.com/ritfiche.php?ritid=66149#first and so the general classification http://www.cyclingarchives.com/ritfiche.php?ritid=61513#first.

General Classification:
1. Youri BARINOV (Urs-am) en 19h04'42"
2. Igor Bokov (Urs-am) à 26"
3. Riho Suun (Urs-am) à 1'14"
4. Sergei Soukhotoutchenkov (Urs-am) à 7'13"
5. Shakhit Zagretidinov (Urs-am) à 8'25"
6. Lucien Didier (Lux) à 9'47"
...

The USSR team literally sliced to pieces some of the strongest cyclists in the world on that race, indeed. But their great tactic, the collective approach; sometimes were their greatest weakness.
 
In matter of fact, only the analysis of the Peace Race entries would be something for a long article, and if we look fr the political side of it, even more. But there's clear that it's possible to find there riders from all continents. Apart from the usual Eastern Bloc teams (USSR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, GDR, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary), we usually find Western countries (Belgium, France, UK, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Italy, Portugal), African ones (Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt), American (USA, Cuba, Colombia), Oceania (Australia) and Asia (India and Mongolia). I even found an article on Miroir du Cyclisme speaking about cycling scene in Mongolia!
Tour de l'Avenir also became more and more internacionalized with the years, reaching his peak in late 70's-early 80's; before turning into Open and loosing soon it's status as the great formation race.

West Europe was really the core of the cycling world till the 80's. There were foreigners as it wa smentioned here, very good riders; but there's a thing that is still very common, even for a Portuguese rider who goes abroad, that's the rythm. If you see a rider like Ricardo Mestre, he's one of the best portuguese ones we had around here, he won the 2011 Volta a Portugal and could have won in 2012 if he hadn't suffered a crash. He's for sure working for others on Euskaltel, but he's far from his usual leval, mainly on the mountains. The same for others we had, Cândido Barbosa, Orlando Rodrigues & Co.
All those riders came from different scenarios, that seldom crossed each other. For example, Guatemala and Costa Rica also have great traditions in cycling, but they were generally overshadowed by the South American great power - Colombia. Even Venezuela couldn't reach Colombia's level. Argentina and Chile also have a big history. But all those teams, like the Europeans, when they arrived to Colombia, they cracked on the harsh routes and conditions (the Spanish win in 1957 was due to the retirement of Hoyos and his team). But Spaniards had more chance in Guatemala.
The anglo-saxonic world was very much realted to the track, but there were great riders too... but races usually were more flat or hilly, and with great interest in time trials; so of course when they arrived to the Alps or the Pyrenees, it was far more difficult. But they reached some results barely without learning how to ride in the strong European peloton. To give another portuguese example, we had Alves Barbosa and Ribeiro da Silva known in the 50's, but we generally had teams on the Vuelta, but they left few impressions, because it was completely another level compared to the portuguese. And for the foreigners, riding in Portugal was hard because the nationals knew the terrain.... that's why so few foreigners succeded in Portugal before the 90's.
There were some pretty good riders in USA, Australia, UK & Co. I remember two, apart from the ones mentioned - Leslie West and Art Longsjo.
Asia and Africa had other problems that also afflicted some other countries for sure - wars, poverty and lack of structures. But in the colonial times, there were a lot of races in Africa; and after that, they also happened. We had teams from North Africa in Peace Race, and western teams riding in Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria. There are also reports from cycling in Ivory Coast, Burkina Faso and so on. In Asia, we had Mongolia, India, ****stan, Iran. China, Japan and Taiwan had much more tradiction in track racing too, although China is a strange question, because it is the country with more bicycles in the world, and there are so few things about past races there...
Saying this, in fact, cycling was always global.

Concerning the confrontation the European greats had with all the others, it's impossible to speak about it, it will forever be an "If they..." question. Merckx was the best, and probably would have ever been, and it's true he surprised the Easterners... but who knows if they ubnderestimated him?? Like Kuiper, Kelly & Co. in the 81's Luxembourg race. They rode in a different way, with much more emphasis on the team than the individual, they had different material, different rythm... It's impossible to afford what they could have done. Szurkowski and Soukhoroutchenkov are the bext examples. Soukho is very well-known, and he probably could have beaten Hinault. Szurkowski, from the sources I have, was regarded as a well-above average rider (not to say one of the best among the Amateurs ever), known to be complete, and also a skilled tactician... and there were also Tave Scur from GDR; powerful sprinter Romascanu from Romania.... Even now, these riders are Pros, but they haven't the same level as the traditional nations...
Colombia is another example... Cochise and Nino (and Hoyos too) probably could have beaten Merckx and Gimondi, if they trained as an european, learnt how to ride in packed pelotons, how to attack... It was well-known in the 80's that Colombians usually did bad in the flat. They were super-aggressive, but they broke because they didn't dose their effort... even today, Vuelta a Colombia is a race to be attacked from the beginning to the end, and even on small climbs or on the flat the race could be broken.
Now, we see a new generation of Colombians, far better on the flat and on the ITT, even good at the Ardennes classics... like USA, UK and Australians improving on the climbs... But there are professionals almost worldwide, but racing, conditions, training, rythm, culture are very, very different.

As I said, Merckx, Coppi, Anquetil, Hinault, Bartali & Co. would have been forever the greats. But I think none of them could have reached the same palmares with the same level of development worldwide. Like the greats today. But it is something that will remain unanswered forever, handed to our imagination or, if you like gaming (as i do, but I have no time), to the simulations.
 
I have read a little thing about a Chilean cyclist that was spotted by Molteni to be on Merckx's team, but he decided to remain in South America. Do you know more cases like this?
Also to revive this thread which I found really fascinating