Graham Watson: Keeper of Omerta

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Graham Watson – biting the hand that feeds him

Written by Neil on October 26, 2010 - 17 Comments

 

[Bike Opera]

CAn anyone explain what the last roughly 20 posts have to do with Graham Watson and this thread?


No?


Okay, then I am going to move this to a new thread.

Martin,

I know the moved thread is now closed, but I hope you will read Neil Browne's article. It connects the dots nicely and explains how the "GW/Fool/Omerta" discussion led to the "Lance follows Simone" discussion. Thanks.

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Graham Watson – biting the hand that feeds him

Written by Neil on October 26, 2010 - 17 Comments

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Then the story got a bit weirder. Simone LeMond Twittered that Lance Armstrong was now following her. Obviously Armstrong started following Simone in response to her Twitter comments to Watson. Armstrong replies on Twitter, “Just relax.” Sure Armstrong has a right to reply to someone but it’s a creepy move. I just checked who Armstrong is following on Twitter and as of right now he is not following her. But to ask again, why suddenly follow her and then even engage her? Author Daniel Coyle wrote in his book, “Lance Armstrong’s War” that the seven-time Tour de France champion carefully kept tabs on rivals – both those on the road as well as those in the media, affectionately calling them trolls. This Watson/LeMond discussion is another example of Armstrong keeping tabs on his enemies. I’m not trying to come across as a Armstrong hater – I’m just someone who is curious about his tactic.

The end result is that Watson with his subtle “fool” URL has made it clear he’s on the side of everyone needs to shut up and the past is the past. The only result so far is that the post from Watson’s website from the offended customer has been removed. You can agree or disagree with LeMond and his criticism of the sport, but Watson was completely out of line and owes the three-time Tour de France champion an apology.

 

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Will Graham support his boy if he goes to jail? I always got the impression that Lance is surrounded by yes men that lick his a&& at every opportunity, so as to stay on the gravy train. Daniel Coyle alluded to this - that he got the impression Lance is actually quite lonely living in his ivory tower. And for me, this obsession with his 'enemies' on the internet merely underlines this. I mean who are Lance's real friends?

you've gotta lotta nerve to say you are my friend
when i was down you just stood there grinnin'
you've gotta lotta nerve to say you have a
helping hand to lend
you just want to be on the side that's winnin'

And that brings me back to Graham - clearly he believes there is more money to be made from Lance than Greg at the moment.

 

[thehog]

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Graham Watson – biting the hand that feeds him

Written by Neil on October 26, 2010 - 17 Comments

This thread was closed but now open.

NY Velocity picked this fact up from the Watson site:

http://www.grahamwatson.com/gw/gwonline.nsf/about.html - Everyone's a winner.

GrahamWatson.com's online store sells printed posters, framed posters, mini posters, mini framed posters, cycling jerseys, and tee shirts.

Fulfillment services by Mellow Johnny's bike shop, 400 Nueces, Austin, TX 78701 USA

Currently we are only processing orders charged to US billed credit cards and shipping only to addresses within the 50 US states and the District of Columbia.
- To be honest Watson doesn't care. He's a little fat, drinks too much wine and eats a lot of cheese and is old school. I don't think he really cares what any one says about him.

Its just all a little crass and no a smart way to run a business. But hey that’s life.

 

[pmcg76]

“@darachmcquaid: Lots of bloggers/w*****s commenting on @grahamwatson10 view on Lemond. After 32yrs on a moto, methinks his opinion is worthy.”

Hmmm

I think this comment shows the hypocrisy of people involved in the sport, McQuaid is related to Andrew McQuaid who is involved with Irish riders Philip Deignan, Dan Martin, Nicolas Roche as well as some other pros like Veikkenen, Moinard, LeMevel. The Irish guys are signed up to BikePure which is campaigning for a clean sport, whilst I personally believe the French are cleaner than most.

So how does that then sit with Darach Mcquaids tweet ranting at posters for criticising a guy who calls LeMond a 'fool' and 'saying he wishes LeMond' would shut his mouth. As far as I can tell LeMond wants a clean sport just like the McQuaid riders signed up to Bikepure. What is Watson striving for other than making money.

Worst thing is Darach McQuaid is friends with most of the Irish riders, time to decide if you really want a clean sport for your friends or just want the doping topic buried like Watson does.

 

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. I just checked who Armstrong is following on Twitter and as of right now he is not following her. But to ask again, why suddenly follow her and then even engage her? Author Daniel Coyle wrote in his book, “Lance Armstrong’s War” that the seven-time Tour de France champion carefully kept tabs on rivals – both those on the road as well as those in the media, affectionately calling them trolls. This Watson/LeMond discussion is another example of Armstrong keeping tabs on his enemies. I’m not trying to come across as a Armstrong hater – I’m just someone who is curious about his tactic

After 911 and Bush/Cheney got busy with terism/Al
Queda/Talliban etc. all forms of communication have been watched, anylized, recorded etc.
Why would a calculating mind like Mr. Armstrong not use twitter in the same way? Or any of his enemies or supposed enemies would use twitter or computer forums against Mr. Armstrong also.
It is only logical to use communication as a form of battle. I see it here on the forum all the time.

 

[Benotti69]

. I just checked who Armstrong is following on Twitter and as of right now he is not following her. But to ask again, why suddenly follow her and then even engage her? Author Daniel Coyle wrote in his book, “Lance Armstrong’s War” that the seven-time Tour de France champion carefully kept tabs on rivals – both those on the road as well as those in the media, affectionately calling them trolls. This Watson/LeMond discussion is another example of Armstrong keeping tabs on his enemies. I’m not trying to come across as a Armstrong hater – I’m just someone who is curious about his tactic

After 911 and Bush/Cheney got busy with terism/Al
Queda/Talliban etc. all forms of communication have been watched, anylized, recorded etc.
Why would a calculating mind like Mr. Armstrong not use twitter in the same way? Or any of his enemies or supposed enemies would use twitter or computer forums against Mr. Armstrong also.
It is only logical to use communication as a form of battle. I see it here on the forum all the time.

now why would a guy who beat cancer and won the TdF 7 times have any enemies

i don't believe Anquetil had enemies nor Merckx, Hinault or Indurain, for sure they all had rivals, which is very different.

 

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now why would a guy who beat cancer and won the TdF 7 times have any enemies

i don't believe Anquetil had enemies nor Merckx, Hinault or Indurain, for sure they all had rivals, which is very different.

Cycling is a dirty game. LeMond is an enemy for life to Armstrong. I think it is very sad. I am sorry to see LeMonds children get involved with any battles between those two Armstrong and LeMond.

As far as those other champions that you mentioned I do not know. I do think Armstrong is friends with Indurain and Merckx. I would say the Badger is an enemy of Armstrong however the Badger would never play dirty like LeMond does.

 

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Cycling is a dirty game. LeMond is an enemy for life to Armstrong. I think it is very sad. I am sorry to see LeMonds children get involved with any battles between those two Armstrong and LeMond.

As far as those other champions that you mentioned I do not know. I do think Armstrong is friends with Indurain and Merckx. I would say the Badger is an enemy of Armstrong however the Badger would never play dirty like LeMond does.

Unless, of course, they were on the same team. (Wait. That didn't come out sounding right)

 

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Unless, of course, they were on the same team. (Wait. That didn't come out sounding right)

I understand Gregs anger towards Armstrong and the world of cycling. Curious Greg has never expressed the shameful treatment he experienced as a team mate of Hinault. That to me is telling.

 

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LeMond always manages to come up as the victim. Like the tweet stuff yesterday. Always the victim. Never a catalyst.

I wish he'd take a stronger stance against guys like Contador, which is very surprising to me. The only thing I have noticed so far is he thought that the amount of cler in AC's body was too little to have much of an impact on performance. That is very disappointing to me.

 

[Wallace]

now why would a guy who beat cancer and won the TdF 7 times have any enemies

i don't believe Anquetil had enemies nor Merckx, Hinault or Indurain, for sure they all had rivals, which is very different.

Slightly different subject but... Merckx did have enemies, although everyone has mellowed with the years, since it's been so long since he and all his rivals retired. Eddy has become such an amiable, teddy-bear ambassador for the sport, people forget what a serious, unsmiling hard-*** he was in his prime--there were a lot of other racers who totally hated him--and were hated in return. After the 1973 Worlds, Merckx never forgave Maertens. Etc. Anyway, back to clinic business...

 

[pmcg76]

I understand Gregs anger towards Armstrong and the world of cycling. Curious Greg has never expressed the shameful treatment he experienced as a team mate of Hinault. That to me is telling.

Yes he has, countless times when he has been asked about the 86 Tour. Thing is that 86 race is no longer news in the world of cycling.

Oh yeah, who was promoting Watsons exhibition 'Eyes of the World' at the recent World Championships. Thats right, Darach McQuaid of Shadetree sports. Always follow the money trail to find the answer. Its fantastic the way people stand up for their buddies nowadays (especially when money is passing hands). I mean so much more classy than those w*****s who post on internet forums.

 

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Yes he has, countless times when he has been asked about the 86 Tour. Thing is that 86 race is no longer news in the world of cycling.

Oh yeah, who was promoting Watsons exhibition 'Eyes of the World' at the recent World Championships. Thats right, Darach McQuaid of Shadetree sports. Always follow the money trail to find the answer. Its fantastic the way people stand up for their buddies nowadays (especially when money is passing hands). I mean so much more classy than those w*****s who post on internet forums.

The Badger is a rock in Gregs' shoe. My guess is those two are not friends. Contador is not a threat to Greg as he is not an American. Thus no financial liability or threat of Gregs' magnificant three towards Contador . Also if Contador is stripped of his title and Greg acts surprised Greg would be making some amends with the powers that be. Greg is no fool. Watson is wrong. Greg is and always has been on the money trail as well as anyone else. As far as class Greg is a champion and Watson is only a chronicelar of champions.

 

[Benotti69]

Cycling is a dirty game. LeMond is an enemy for life to Armstrong. I think it is very sad. I am sorry to see LeMonds children get involved with any battles between those two Armstrong and LeMond.

As far as those other champions that you mentioned I do not know. I do think Armstrong is friends with Indurain and Merckx. I would say the Badger is an enemy of Armstrong however the Badger would never play dirty like LeMond does.

No battle flicky, one is a doper the other spoke out about doping. One started a war of words which was an unwise course and has led to a federal investigation. no points for guessing who is who hey flicky?

understand Gregs anger towards Armstrong and the world of cycling. Curious Greg has never expressed the shameful treatment he experienced as a team mate of Hinault. That to me is telling.

LeMond and Hinualt had words at the time. the difference between that and it "is the greatest comeback in the history of sport; if it is not, it is the greatest fraud." are universes apart and beyond comparison. If Pharmastrong had ignored the quote it would have been forgotten like no doubt the quotes at the time from LeMond about Hinault taking the TdF from LeMond after promising to help him win it.

The Badger is a rock in Gregs' shoe. My guess is those two are not friends. Contador is not a threat to Greg as he is not an American. Thus no financial liability or threat of Gregs' magnificant three towards Contador . Also if Contador is stripped of his title and Greg acts surprised Greg would be making some amends with the powers that be. Greg is no fool. Watson is wrong. Greg is and always has been on the money trail as well as anyone else. As far as class Greg is a champion and Watson is only a chronicelar of champions.

Whether LeMond felt a threat to his legacy is understandable especially to have a doper undermine your achievements. that must stick in one's craw i imagine and for LeMond to speak out about that is full on righteous because to win the TdF clean is one damn fine thing to do, to win 3 times is greatness.

keep trolling flick, one day you might crack it.

 

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No battle flicky, one is a doper the other spoke out about doping. One started a war of words which was an unwise course and has led to a federal investigation. no points for guessing who is who hey flicky?



LeMond and Hinualt had words at the time. the difference between that and it "is the greatest comeback in the history of sport; if it is not, it is the greatest fraud." are universes apart and beyond comparison. If Pharmastrong had ignored the quote it would have been forgotten like no doubt the quotes at the time from LeMond about Hinault taking the TdF from LeMond after promising to help him win it.



Whether LeMond felt a threat to his legacy is understandable especially to have a doper undermine your achievements. that must stick in one's craw i imagine and for LeMond to speak out about that is full on righteous because to win the TdF clean is one damn fine thing to do, to win 3 times is greatness.

keep trolling flick, one day you might crack it.

So, dreaming is obviously no problem here.
Because of that: How great is his Greatness Lance Armschtrong then ?
He won 7 times - in a row! - clean of course. If these weren't clean there wouldn't be Lance Armstrong from 1999-2005 in all these hall of fames, record books and databases.

Let me have a look at several websites again.........yes, 7 victorys everywhere I look.
In a row and clean - just for your information
Greatness sounds underrated for that.

Only a kid believes that Greg - weedsmoker - Lemond won them clean.

 

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Weed smoking is not a UCI PED, thusly Greg be clean!

 

[thehog]

LeMond always manages to come up as the victim. Like the tweet stuff yesterday. Always the victim. Never a catalyst.

I wish he'd take a stronger stance against guys like Contador, which is very surprising to me. The only thing I have noticed so far is he thought that the amount of cler in AC's body was too little to have much of an impact on performance. That is very disappointing to me.

Armstrong, who has faced constant doping allegations despite never testing positive, is also keen to prove he is clean and hopes by racing the Tour again his four children will read about it.

"I'm doing this for my kids," he says in the book.

"With news so accessible these days on the web, they'll be able to read any story they want. And I don't want them growing up and reading all these things about me and doping."

 

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Armstrong, who has faced constant doping allegations despite never testing positive, is also keen to prove he is clean and hopes by racing the Tour again his four children will read about it.

"I'm doing this for my kids," he says in the book.

"With news so accessible these days on the web, they'll be able to read any story they want. And I don't want them growing up and reading all these things about me and doping."

You're not quoting other's work without citation again, are you?

 

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LeMond always manages to come up as the victim. Like the tweet stuff yesterday. Always the victim. Never a catalyst.

I wish he'd take a stronger stance against guys like Contador, which is very surprising to me. The only thing I have noticed so far is he thought that the amount of cler in AC's body was too little to have much of an impact on performance. That is very disappointing to me.

When he raised questions along with Vayer at the 09 Tour about Contador's performance on Verbier, he was practically alone and was painted as someone who is jealous of today's success. He can't win.

 

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When he raised questions along with Vayer at the 09 Tour about Contador's performance on Verbier, he was practically alone and was painted as someone who is jealous of today's success. He can't win.

Timing - Delivery - Politics

LeMond is good at none of these.

 

[Digger]

Timing - Delivery - Politics

LeMond is good at none of these.

Truth - excellent.

That's all that matters. The rest is for something that he never claimed to be.

 

[BroDeal]

So what we have learned from this, aside from Watson being a photographer, keeper of omerta, and general douchebag, is that if you are in the U.S. and order anything from GW then you are putting money in Armstrong's pocket because that is who owns the fulfillment services. Both Watson and Armstrong make money from a purchase. That's a double whammy. I certainly will not be buying anything from that fool.

Someone needs to dig up the thread that lists all the companies that support the Armstrong fraud and add Watson to the list.

 

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