Greg Lemond on Doping

[tubularglue]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2010-06-03-greglemondreaction_N.htm?csp=34

"I do feel vindicated," LeMond said Wednesday. "This has been going on so long, you get used to people thinking there are ulterior motives and jealousy. But that's really just the spin that Armstrong has put on it."

"It seems almost crazy to dare say that Armstrong admitted he used EPO, but he did call me in 2001 and admitted that he used EPO. That was his way of saying, 'Everybody does EPO, your (1989) win was a miracle just like mine was.'

 

[tubularglue]

c murphy and i posted at same time. thought this deserved it's own thread. maybe not.

move as needed.

 

[Publicus]

I especially appreciated this comment:

"This is all about bullying and threatening those who dared to challenge the story,"LeMond says. "But to really change, there needs to be a cleansing from the top down. Just punishing riders won't fix it. The teams, the corporations that sponsor them and the organizations that govern the sport all have to take responsibility. Right now it is a corrupt system."

Thought the dig about his slight paunch was a bit unnecessary.

 

[oldschoolnik]

Definitely deserves it's own thread....

This is the first time (to my knowledge) LeMond has publicly, for the media said that Armstrong admitted to his EPO use to him. Everyone here knows the story about this phone call but I have never seen it in a newsppaper like USA Today. Wow. Dominoes are starting to fall... slowly. I hope Novitzky confirms soon less this whole thing blows over....

 

[thehog]

c murphy and i posted at same time. thought this deserved it's own thread. maybe not.

move as needed.

No keep it. Worth the discussion.

 

[thehog]

"(Armstrong) has talked about Floyd's mental well-being, as he's done with me and nearly every person who has questioned him," says LeMond, now 49 and slightly paunchy.

 

[CPAvelo]

"(Armstrong) has talked about Floyd's mental well-being, as he's done with me and nearly every person who has questioned him," says LeMond, now 49 and slightly paunchy.

Does being slightly paunchy have any relevance to Lemond's credibility? I thought it was odd that USAToday would write that. Perhaps they were sore because LA didn't provide any comment.

 

[Oldman]

This is the first time (to my knowledge) LeMond has publicly, for the media said that Armstrong admitted to his EPO use to him. Everyone here knows the story about this phone call but I have never seen it in a newsppaper like USA Today. Wow. Dominoes are starting to fall... slowly. I hope Novitzky confirms soon less this whole thing blows over....

That disclosure is news to me and could start a fire. LA will be torn to defend against this accusation in court because of the parade of witnesses. I'm not sure I believe he would be dumb enough to do that, either.

On this count Lemond is totally in sync with what many have said:
"This is all about bullying and threatening those who dared to challenge the story,"LeMond says. "But to really change, there needs to be a cleansing from the top down. Just punishing riders won't fix it. The teams, the corporations that sponsor them and the organizations that govern the sport all have to take responsibility. Right now it is a corrupt system."

For those that say the negativity is hurting the sport the correct response is getting even closer to: "burn it down". It sounds extreme but the interdependence of cheaters and facilitators protects them both, minus a few sacrificial lambs like the group we've seen the UCI finally deal with.

 

[Digger]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2010-06-03-greglemondreaction_N.htm?csp=34

"I do feel vindicated," LeMond said Wednesday. "This has been going on so long, you get used to people thinking there are ulterior motives and jealousy. But that's really just the spin that Armstrong has put on it."

"It seems almost crazy to dare say that Armstrong admitted he used EPO, but he did call me in 2001 and admitted that he used EPO. That was his way of saying, 'Everybody does EPO, your (1989) win was a miracle just like mine was.'

I'm glad for Greg. And I hope this is only the start, he deserves for the truth to out, and to feel completely vindicated. A good guy.

 

[Anonymous]

This is the first time (to my knowledge) LeMond has publicly, for the media said that Armstrong admitted to his EPO use to him. Everyone here knows the story about this phone call but I have never seen it in a newsppaper like USA Today. Wow. Dominoes are starting to fall... slowly. I hope Novitzky confirms soon less this whole thing blows over....

Anyone betting LA sues Lemond for libel?

One can only hope as cross-examination would be a hoot.

 

[thehog]

Does being slightly paunchy have any relevance to Lemond's credibility? I thought it was odd that USAToday would write that. Perhaps they were sore because LA didn't provide any comment.

Armstrong has already commented:

“You cannot trust anything LeMond says. He’s slightly paunchy and that is a mark of a man who lies. I’m not paunchy. I like not being paunchy. I choose to Livepauch”

 

[ilillillli]

For those that say the negativity is hurting the sport the correct response is getting even closer to: "burn it down". It sounds extreme but the interdependence of cheaters and facilitators protects them both, minus a few sacrificial lambs like the group we've seen the UCI finally deal with.

The problem is that while "burn it down" is really fun to say... it doesn't really mean much. How, exactly would "burning it down" go with pro-cycling/UCI/ASO/etc.?

 

[ilillillli]

Armstrong has already commented:

“You cannot trust anything LeMond says. He’s slightly paunchy and that is a mark of a man who lies. I’m not paunchy. I like not being paunchy. I choose to Livepauch”

...to be fair, the quote was "I chose to Paunchstrong"

 

[oldschoolnik]

Anyone betting LA sues Lemond for libel?

One can only hope as cross-examination would be a hoot.

Right! Wow things have sure changed since a few years ago Lance wants to stay as far from a court where people have to go on the record to swear to tell the truth. No way he sues anyone unless he listens to really terribel advice. Eevry witness he called woudl have to lie through their teeth and not everybody is as good at LA at lying.

 

[MacRoadie]

Armstrong has already commented:

“You cannot trust anything LeMond says. He’s slightly paunchy and that is a mark of a man who lies. I’m not paunchy. I like not being paunchy. I choose to Livepauch”

Plus, Armstrong has had his BMI measured innumerable times, making him the most paunch-tested athlete in history. He has NEVER tested positive for paunch (photos from the Tour Down Under and several Spring Classics notwithstanding).

 

[oldschoolnik]

...to be fair, the quote was "I chose to Paunchstrong"

lol
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[ilillillli]

Plus, Armstrong has had his BMI measured innumerable times, making him the most paunch-tested athlete in history. He has NEVER tested positive for paunch (photos from the Tour Down Under and several Spring Classics notwithstanding).

Clearly we need a biological paunchport system.

 

[Anonymous]

Armstrong has already commented:

“You cannot trust anything LeMond says. He’s slightly paunchy and that is a mark of a man who lies. I’m not paunchy. I like not being paunchy. I choose to Livepauch”

LA looked pauncy on his TT bike at Td Gila

 

[CPAvelo]

Right! Wow things have sure changed since a few years ago Lance wants to stay as far from a court where people have to go on the record to swear to tell the truth. No way he sues anyone unless he listens to really terribel advice. Eevry witness he called woudl have to lie through their teeth and not everybody is as good at LA at lying.

They would all have to be paunchy too. What color should the Paunchstrong wristband be?

 

[Anonymous]

Clearly we need a biological paunchport system.

Subcutaneous EPO injection site = paunchport? Hmmmm...

 

[MacRoadie]

They would all have to be paunchy too. What color should the Paunchstrong wristband be?

Fleshy pink with a few stray hairs and some lint sticking out...

 

[Cozy Beehive]

This is the first time (to my knowledge) LeMond has publicly, for the media said that Armstrong admitted to his EPO use to him. Everyone here knows the story about this phone call but I have never seen it in a newsppaper like USA Today. Wow. Dominoes are starting to fall... slowly. I hope Novitzky confirms soon less this whole thing blows over....

What I really really WISH for is publications like USA Today banning totally idiotic and puerile comments on their website.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

They would all have to be paunchy too. What color should the Paunchstrong wristband be?

It should be the color of Bacon.

 

[Anonymous]

they would all have to be paunchy too. What color should the paunchstrong wristband be?

XXXL, of course, light yellow.

 

[ilillillli]

Subcutaneous EPO injection site = paunchport? Hmmmm...

I'm afraid I have to correct you. The biological paunchport system simply monitors a rider's possession of snacks over time. If there's ever a suspicious rise or fall in a rider's snack content, that rider can be targeted for paunch-testing. Unfortunately this system still fails to detect microsnacking.