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Andro

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Valv.Piti said:
1. Froome
2. Quintana
3. Contador/Nibali Valvede
4. Contador/Nibali Valvede
5. Contador/Nibali Valvede

I don't know how to rank the remaining riders
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This. Quintana has ridden the last 3 GT's in a row. He has placed 3, 1 and 2 overall. Having him anywhere else than 2nd place is silly.
 
SeriousSam

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deValtos said:
Well the issue here is are we talking about

1) Power ranking by already achieved results
2) Ranking by if we started a GT right now with every single contender in it where would they expect to finish

Because the lists are obviously different. (Porte being the big shifter)
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The defining feature of "power rankings", in American sports, is an implicit conflation of the two to get people talking & clicking on articles.
 
Nirvana

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I don't understand exactly what means the power ranking but if i think of a GT with all the contenders at the top of the shape that they could have right now this will be the top ten:

1. Froome
2. Quintana
3. Porte
4. Contador
5. Dumoulin
6. Valverde (will be third without Quintana but with him he'll have to work)
7. Bardet
8. Nibali
9. Pinot
10. Yates A.

But there are some question marks like Kruijswijk (with last year shape wuold be fifth but we don't know his actual strenght), Chaves (at the end of last year i've put him between Valverde and Bardet but this year is totally lost), Landa (it's two years that he miss his opportunities), Thomas (can't show he's real strenght on three weeks but in Tyrol was near to Pinot), Aru (cracked at the Tour last year then lost).
 
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1. Froome
2. Valverde
3. Porte
4. Quintanna
5. Chaves
6. Bardet
7. Pinot
8. Zakarin
9. Nibali
10. Mollema
11. Dumolin
12. Aru
13. Krujiswick
14. G. Thomas
15. S. Yates
16. Reichenbach
17. Majka
Somewhere after Hubert DuPont
25. Contador
 
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ice&fire

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Valv.Piti said:
Climbing said:
Only a couple have immense huge balls at the moment, and that's Contador and Nibali.
Rest are power meter pussies. :lol:
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Not like Nibali rode any more inspired than the rest. You can only go as fast and hard as your body allows you too.
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But when your body allows you to do two play-station-like attacks as he did in the 2016 Giro, if leaves a permanent imprint in everyone's memories.
 
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Summoned

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Just to throw my thoughts in, the comparison between Nibali and Contador depends upon whether we are looking at them in the present or in terms of their careers. Currently, I would say Nibali is the better GT rider, but Contador has been the better rider, and will be judged over his career as the better rider, and it is not actually that close. To think about it differently, Contador's sustained peak from 2007 to 2010 is better than any peak Nibali had over a similar period of time.
As for the topic at hand, my list of current top 10 GT riders, starting with the best, is below.

Froome
Quintana
Dumoulin
Valverde
Nibali
Bardet
Contador
Pinot
Chaves
Porte


Which is worth the time I put into it, and for anyone but me that would be nil.
 
Hugo Koblet

Hugo Koblet

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Based on the last two years (the last six GT's), giving three points for a victory, two for a second place and one for a third place, the ranking is as follows:

1. Froome - 8 points
1. Quintana - 8 points
3. Nibali - 4 points
4. Aru - 3 points
4. Chaves - 3 points
4. Dumoulin - 3 points
7. Bardet - 2 points
7. Rodriguez - 2 points
7. Valverde - 2 points
10. Majka - 1 point
 
Nirvana

Nirvana

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Rollthedice said:
Wait for Froome to crack in Le Tour and Valverde winning and then we'll talk.
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With Quintana in the race Valverde can't win the Tour, if Froome cracks Porte become the favourite.
Also if he'll be better than Quintana he'll work for him like last year when Unzue admitted that Valverde form was better but he still worked for Quintana.
 
Valv.Piti

Valv.Piti

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Nirvana said:
Rollthedice said:
Wait for Froome to crack in Le Tour and Valverde winning and then we'll talk.
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With Quintana in the race Valverde can't win the Tour, if Froome cracks Porte become the favourite.
Also if he'll be better than Quintana he'll work for him like last year when Unzue admitted that Valverde form was better but he still worked for Quintana.
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Won't be the case this year. Valverde rode the Giro in 16, now Quintana did it in 17 and most importantly, he didn't win. I would be disappointed and surprised if Valv would turn himself inside out for Quintana, I simply can't see that happening.

On top of that, Valverde has had the best spring he's ever had and when we are looking at the route, it definitely also favours Valverde over Quintana. The Alps could potentially be a problem.
 
Nirvana

Nirvana

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Valv.Piti said:
Nirvana said:
Rollthedice said:
Wait for Froome to crack in Le Tour and Valverde winning and then we'll talk.
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With Quintana in the race Valverde can't win the Tour, if Froome cracks Porte become the favourite.
Also if he'll be better than Quintana he'll work for him like last year when Unzue admitted that Valverde form was better but he still worked for Quintana.
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Won't be the case this year. Valverde rode the Giro in 16, now Quintana did it in 17 and most importantly, he didn't win. I would be disappointed and surprised if Valv would turn himself inside out for Quintana, I simply can't see that happening.

On top of that, Valverde has had the best spring he's ever had and when we are looking at the route, it definitely also favours Valverde over Quintana. The Alps could potentially be a problem.
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Yes, the route is perfect for him, i've already said that in his thread times ago and i think that if can reach his spring shape in july he would be the first contender for Froome and he could win but he need to be the leader of the Movistar and that won't happen anymore where Quintana is riding.

It's clear that Quintana is the undisputed leader of the team in whichever race he rides, also the team attitude is different with him, look for example at the Giro, this year all riders worked for him, they used Amador in almost every mountain stage to be upfront in the case Quintana tried something even if he never tried anything, last year Amador rode for himself to grab a top ten and there was also Visconti doing the same, he waited for Bala only in the last kilometres of the last mountain stage when he already knew that he can't get into the top ten.

Anyway also in 2015 he was allowed to ride for the podium but he was clearly behind Quintana in the team hierarchy, already on Huy he stayed behind with him instead going for the victory.
 
Dekker_Tifosi

Dekker_Tifosi

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Climbing said:
Only a couple have immense huge balls at the moment, and that's Contador and Nibali.
Rest are power meter pussies. :lol:
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Dumoulin rides without power meter in races and actually attacked:
-Blockhaus was more of a counter, but he did attack to drop Mollema
-Oropa, attacked when he caught Quintana
-Ortisei, attacked 2/3 times on the final climb.
 
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VayaVayaVaya

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Using the ESPN Power Rankings as reference, which only considers (the equivalent of) palmares to the extent that they inform the present (for example, Froome's 2016 Tour is relevant, whereas Contador's 2007 Tour is not). My ranking essentially answers, "You line everyone up this year, where do they fall in order of most likely to win to least?"

1. Froome - will remain number 1 until defeated in his year's primary target GT
2. Dumoulin - better TTer than Froome; didn't fare too poorly on the climbing against Quintana, Nibali, and Pinot; obviously people will have a problem with this one, but you can't put Quintana above Dumoulin when Dumoulin just beat him despite losing 2 minutes for a dump
3. Quintana - very consistent; hard to imagine anyone but Froome and Dumoulin beating him if he is close to his A game
4. Valverde - dominant spring; past performance in GTs indicate he might be overranked, but this was his best spring ever
5. Porte - should have gotten second last year in the Tour; obviously has significantly poorer palmares than two below him, but higher power ranking in the present
6. Contador - performance in weeklong stage races, similar to Porte, give the power
7. Nibali - beat Contador last time they raced the Tour, though Contador had raced the Giro, 3rd in the Giro this year, 1st last year
8. Pinot - very close to Dumoulin, Quintana, and Nibali in the Giro
9. Chaves
10. Bardet
 
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