Climbing talent aside, what's your explanation for Pantani's incredulous ITTs in the '99 Giro?Cookster15 said:Note the bold. No I don't think he was doing any more than Lance. Probably much, much less as Marco wasn't an obsessive psychopath and definitely had more raw climbing talent. But I think raw talent together with full on EPO doping typical of the mid 90s peloton helps explain the fastest three times ever officially recorded on that mountain.86TDFWinner said:You really believe that? He was doing as much or more than Wonderboy was? Not trying to start anything here, just honestly do not believe any riders in the history of the sport, ran the most sophisticated, most expensive, most blatant doping program in the history of any sport, like Wonderboy and his US Postal team. My opinion, Wonderboy was a fraud from the very beginning.Cookster15 said:Whatever they are taking today is minor compared to 1995 and that includes everything in your list.spalco said:What do you mean by kindergarten? Pantani's time up Alpe d'Huez is still ridiculous and untouchable today. No doubt he was on the most high octane fuel available and pumped up fully.Black Betsy said:Lovely trip down memory lane (although I still spin my glam/hair metal records). Is there a chance that Pantani was kindergarten stuff compared to nowadays standards?
What exactly current topn riders are on, I think, is still a bit of a mystery - tramadol, steroids, asthma meds, micro-dosing EPO, mini-transfusions, GHRH/GHRP, HIF-PHIs, AICAR, who the **** knows. The pharmacies aren't getting any smaller, but obviously Pantani was taking everything that was available to him at the time.
But Pantani's incredible Alpe d'Huez times were a combination of doping and talent. The perfect storm. But I still don't think he was taking anything more than any other rider at that time. Maybe he was a good responder.