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Has a tie ever occurred in a race?

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ther00kie16

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I recently thought about the possibility of a tie and recall a sprint photo finish within the last couple of years where the difference was the width of the tire on the wheel. If we count track where margins tend to be smaller than on the road, I believe that the possibility for an indistinguishable finish isn't insignificant and probably has occurred.

Does anyone recall a situation in the past in which this occurred? If not, what happens in such an event? Do they award joint places like they do with medals at the Olympics?
 
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In the 2010 u23 world championships road race Taylor Phinney and Guillaume Boivin tied for 3rd. With both sharing the medal on the podium.

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=108573

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ther00kie16

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Ah cool, I'm pretty sure I knew that but just forgot about it.
Can you imagine two winners of a monument (or Worlds) or an opening stage? It'd be pretty odd to see 2 rainbow jerseys or 2 yellow jerseys in the peloton.
 
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Watt Matters

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ther00kie16 said:
I recently thought about the possibility of a tie and recall a sprint photo finish within the last couple of years where the difference was the width of the tire on the wheel. If we count track where margins tend to be smaller than on the road, I believe that the possibility for an indistinguishable finish isn't insignificant and probably has occurred.

Does anyone recall a situation in the past in which this occurred? If not, what happens in such an event? Do they award joint places like they do with medals at the Olympics?
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Dead heats happen and there are various rules to deal with it. e.g. in pursuit racing, if the finish is a dead head, then the rider/team with fastest final lap wins.
 
RedheadDane

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ther00kie16 said:
Ah cool, I'm pretty sure I knew that but just forgot about it.
Can you imagine two winners of a monument (or Worlds) or an opening stage? It'd be pretty odd to see 2 rainbow jerseys or 2 yellow jerseys in the peloton.
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Something tells me that there's a way to avoid that... :p

Hugo Koblet said:
Not a tie per se, but the 1949 Paris-Roubaix has both Serse Coppi and André Mahé as winners.
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Why?
 
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ther00kie16

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WillemS said:
Renshaw wins ahead of Goss in Turkey, I think.

This one was pretty close as well: http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tour05/?id=tour058/cycling-tdf2005-weening-21
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Yup, looks to me Rabo had a good record in these close finishes. One source says Renshaw won by a margin of 0.008s

Oh and Turgot holding off Ballan.
http://inrng.com/2012/04/photo-finish-camera/

If it were a tie on an opening stage, do you think they'd award 2 leader's jerseys or invoke a tie-breaker of some sort?
 
Hugo Koblet

Hugo Koblet

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RedheadDane said:
Why?
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In short (copied from wikipedia):

The result in 1949 took several months and two international conferences to sort out. André Mahé was first but his win was challenged because he took the wrong course. Mahé was in a break of three that reached Roubaix velodrome in the lead, but he was misdirected by officials and entered the track by the wrong gate. Mahé was declared winner but a few minutes later other riders arrived using the correct route and Serse Coppi, brother of famous Fausto, won the sprint for what was assumed to be the minor placings. After a protest and several months, Serse Coppi was named joint winner with Mahé.
 
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In 1957 La Doyenne was declared a tie. The first rider across
the line (Germain Derycke) had illegally crossed a closed rail
crossing but it was deemed he won by a greater margin than
he gained from the illegal crossing, so he shared the win with
the second place finisher (Frans Schoubben).

And as Watt Matters stated up thread, in timed events on the
track the higher placing goes to the rider with the fastest
finishing split. It happened moments ago in Cali in the women's
sprint qualifying when Jess Varnish and Anna Meares had the
same final time for the flying 200, but Jess was seeded higher
because her last 100 was .002 faster.

EDIT: On sober second thought, the 1957 La Doyenne probably
wasn't "declared a tie" as I wrote, but Derycke and Schoubben
did "share the win."
 
Master50

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There is a rule for breaking ties for first place in a road race. both riders race the final 1 kilometre over again. Never seen it done however.
 
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Alex Simmons/RST

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happytramp said:
I think Kelly and Fignon completed a time trail in the same time at the tour once. They gave the win to Fignon (it was France after all) although I believe it later cost Kelly the Green Jersey.
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In 2011 national road ITT - I took second place by only 1/100th of a second.
 
Master50

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RedheadDane said:
Seriously?
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Yes it was a rule and was used. A quick scan looks like the rule is gone but the procedure left behind is still a little ambiguous.

2.3.043 If, after all technical means available have been exhausted, it is still not possible to separate riders
for one of the first three places at the world championships or Olympic Games, these riders shall
each be awarded the placing in question. No award shall be made for the following placing, or,
where there is a three-way tie, for the following two placings.

This is all that is left. it implies there is another procedure for other than WC or O games?
I really have not had my nose in a rulebook for 2 years. It has been nice :)
 
Armchair Cyclist

Armchair Cyclist

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Master50 said:
Yes it was a rule and was used. A quick scan looks like the rule is gone but the procedure left behind is still a little ambiguous.

2.3.043 If, after all technical means available have been exhausted, it is still not possible to separate riders
for one of the first three places at the world championships or Olympic Games, these riders shall
each be awarded the placing in question. No award shall be made for the following placing, or,
where there is a three-way tie, for the following two placings.

This is all that is left. it implies there is another procedure for other than WC or O games?
I really have not had my nose in a rulebook for 2 years. It has been nice :)
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I don't see how that confirms that there was accommodation of a 1 km run-off to decide races: it suggests exactly the opposite,that if they can't be separated, it is a tie. The reason why WC and Olympics are specified is, I would suggest, that they are the ones that award medals, and this rule is about medal allocation.
 
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happytramp said:
I just watched back over the stage and clock wasn't counting 1/100's in the 1984 tour. The organisers 'said' that Fignon was 1/100th of a second faster though.
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The clocks may still count 1/100ths even if it's not shown on the television graphics.
 
Master50

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Armchair cyclist said:
I don't see how that confirms that there was accommodation of a 1 km run-off to decide races: it suggests exactly the opposite,that if they can't be separated, it is a tie. The reason why WC and Olympics are specified is, I would suggest, that they are the ones that award medals, and this rule is about medal allocation.
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It doesn't. I was looking for the rule and this is all that is still in the book. The tie breaker rule I referred to seems to be gone and my point is this rule looks to only address medal allocation as you say. Unfortunately rule books don't usually list the rules that are removed. I.E the tie breaker rule I referred to was removed but this tie rule for the olympic and worlds stayed leaving the tie break method out. I have to look to see I I still have print rule books. All my books for the last 10 years are digital so I don't keep the book it replaces.
I'll post it if I can find it.
 
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Lizard/Poetry*Wizard & other Rock&Rollers

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ther00kie16 said:
Ah cool, I'm pretty sure I knew that but just forgot about it.
Can you imagine two winners of a monument (or Worlds) or an opening stage? It'd be pretty odd to see 2 rainbow jerseys or 2 yellow jerseys in the peloton.
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It ain't going to happen. If, beyond any reasonable doubt, & after all possible scenarios have been discussed; the highest ranked rider will get the benefit of the doubt:cool:
 
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