Henao at the Giro

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Who's talking about Rujano here? Would you say every rider who attacks is a headless chicken? Gilbert. Contador. Boonen. Cancellara. Not one chicken head between the four of them.

They're all the strongest in their area. Uran and Henao both performed to their ability and brought it home to a solid GC position. The fact they were dropped suggests they are not currently in the class of the names you listed.

If you want to moan about the racing, blame the strongest riders who just didn't do anything, not the guys who got dropped.

 

[Duartista]

Yeah, far better to race like headless chickens. Maybe they'll find a special fan to get all excited about them whilst they spend their career on 2nd rate teams never fulfilling their potential and withdrawing from races with a sore throat.

I think the way they rode in this Giro was understandable, as it was Henao's first GT and Uran needed to get a decent GC result to prove his credentials as a 3 week racer. In future, though, they need to race more aggressively to fulfil their potential.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

They're all the strongest in their area. Uran and Henao both performed to their ability and brought it home to a solid GC position. The fact they were dropped suggests they are not currently in the class of the names you listed.

If you want to moan about the racing, blame the strongest riders who just didn't do anything, not the guys who got dropped.

De Gendt, Nieve and Cunego attacking this Giro, while certainly not being the best if we look at the entire Giro, still gave them a significantly better GC result, than if they'd ride in a conservative manner. Why shouldn't Henao and Uran do the same?

 

[will10]

De Gendt pretty much earned his Giro podium by attacking like a headless chicken

...after three weeks of clinically wasting no more energy than he had to.

 

[hrotha]

They're all the strongest in their area. Uran and Henao both performed to their ability and brought it home to a solid GC position. The fact they were dropped suggests they are not currently in the class of the names you listed.

If you want to moan about the racing, blame the strongest riders who just didn't do anything, not the guys who got dropped.

You're mistaken. It's the "weaker" guys, those in the top 15 but who have some leeway, who should go early and hope they can get a favourable race situation. Like De Gendt, Cunego, Nieve, Cataldo or Tschopp. Like Samu and Vanendert at the Tour. It's standard tactics. Been done countless times. Sometimes it works, and when it doesn't, it's not like you lost anything, is it.

I certainly blame the favourites, but most 2nd-tier riders had a completely awful attitude too.

 

[hatcher]

De Gendt, Nieve and Cunego attacking this Giro, while certainly not being the best if we look at the entire Giro, still gave them a significantly better GC result, than if they'd ride in a conservative manner. Why shouldn't Henao and Uran do the same?

While Hesjedal, Rodriguez, Scarponi, Basso all rode conservatively and took up 4 of the top 5 places.

I'm far happier seeing Uran try and hold on to those for as long as possible. Tells us much more than if he was gifted a number of minutes while the strong men eat and drink for 20k.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Wasn't he beaten by Basso? I'd say it was decent, but I expected more.

Still, there's reason to be very optimistic about his future.

basso, like pinotti and other italians were basically launched by motorbikes the entire itt. still amazing itt result from henao proving he truly recuperates very well. also yesterday he was the best he;s been yet in this giro but pathetic sky tactics and uran made him wait

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Im not an expert, but I think that due to his height it will be quiet difficult to work on position.
Anyway Team Sky is supposed to be one of the best teams where they can develope TT.

9th position is superb at first GC attempt!

the smaller a rider is. the easier it is to work on a better itt position. because the differences will be smaller meaning the change won't be too much for a rider like henao. bigger guys with natural horrible aero positions like schleck and basso, need to change position so much that they become powerless with such big changes.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

very good performance for his first gt
very impressive recover after a bad day and he would have done probably better without sky stupid tactic attitude

i think they should work more on his climbing abilities, in terms of loosing some weight and proper gearing than on his TT.
if he wants to win something he has to improve his point of strength where he can really make the difference ( also in the hilly classic) than try to make him a TT specialist. this will not work , as did not work with cunego and many others.
he is too small and he has not the sense of pacing needed for tt.

look at uran, he his in his seconfd year at sky and his ITT is always the same.
henao in TT will always have to defend what he can eventually gain in mountain and hills

uran clearly had a horrible day today and yesterday a little less. whatever reasons I think he was clearly not in the greatest shape from his injuries before. uran has improved his itt a lot as you could see in last years dauphinee itt, despite not the best shape and also last year sky's ttt in the tour. still henao will have a lot more potential as I said before the giro and now I hope sky can see it as well.

 

[hatcher]

basso, like pinotti and other italians were basically launched by motorbikes the entire itt. still amazing itt result from henao proving he truly recuperates very well. also yesterday he was the best he;s been yet in this giro but pathetic sky tactics and uran made him wait

Yes, Henao could have got himself a headline making 4th place on the stage. Woohoo!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Congratulations to Uran and Henao.

Henao proved once more that he has great recovery and is very consistent.

I have waited 25 years (1985,1987-1988) to see two Colombians climbing with consistency in a Grand Tour and finishing high up in the GC. I am very happy. I see the golden years of "Escarabajos" coming again with Henao, Uran, Quintana, Betancur, Duarte, Atapuma and probably many more.

yet you thought last week he was fading in the final week

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Betancur seems more like a classics rider to me. I've noticed he is riding very aggresive but not stupid, he's smart as well as proven in Belgium today. I know he's also a very good climber but he's not built like one...

Btw how about Jarlinson Pantano?

colombians don't need to be build as a climber. betancourt look at passo pordoi to see he's a real climber despite his build. a massive talent, although his itt will need to improve too but that has potential in it as well.

pantano is not a huge talent and never was in colombia

 

[hrotha]

yet you thought last week he was fading in the final week

No, he said we couldn't know how he'd go in the third week, because he had never done one. Big difference.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I think the way they rode in this Giro was understandable, as it was Henao's first GT and Uran needed to get a decent GC result to prove his credentials as a 3 week racer. In future, though, they need to race more aggressively to fulfil their potential.

it was a stupid way to ride. yesterday they should have send henao uo the road with de gendt, or carrara and nieve later. but everyone needed to stay around uran as in typical coward sky tactics that make me sick to my stomach. to me it seemed clear that after midweek uran was never allowed to lose the jersey to henao...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

No, he said we couldn't know how he'd go in the third week, because he had never done one. Big difference.

yeah and now he sees he prooves again he recovers well (and is consistant). how can he proove that AGAIN when appearantly he never did before? oh the irony...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yes, Henao could have got himself a headline making 4th place on the stage. Woohoo!

yes. thay's a lot more important for his future than saving uran 10 seconds, while he was going to finish 7th in gc. who caress. the white jersey he would've kept anyway

 

[Duartista]

it was a stupid way to ride. yesterday they should have send henao uo the road with de gendt, or carrara and nieve later. but everyone needed to stay around uran as in typical coward sky tactics that make me sick to my stomach. to me it seemed clear that after midweek uran was never allowed to lose the jersey to henao...

Yes, it would have been good if they had sent Henao up the road. Let's be fair to Uran though - he was much stronger than Henao on Giau and (to a lesser extent) Pampeago, and would have finished ahead of him even if Henao hadn't waited yesterday.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

...after three weeks of clinically wasting no more energy than he had to.

So? Uran and Henao were sucking wheels too most of the time, why shouldn't they attack like De Gendt? Cunego's been attacking earlier in the Giro too, and he got second on the Stelvio and moved up in the GC. They don't have to attack like mindles chicken when they're actually weak, like Rujano did this Giro, but they could try and race both attacking an with at least some common sense like Cunego and De Gendt, like Nieve, like Vanendert and Samu in last TDF.

While Hesjedal, Rodriguez, Scarponi, Basso all rode conservatively and took up 4 of the top 5 places.

I'm far happier seeing Uran try and hold on to those for as long as possible. Tells us much more than if he was gifted a number of minutes while the strong men eat and drink for 20k.

I will answer you with hrotha's post.

You're mistaken. It's the "weaker" guys, those in the top 15 but who have some leeway, who should go early and hope they can get a favourable race situation. Like De Gendt, Cunego, Nieve, Cataldo or Tschopp. Like Samu and Vanendert at the Tour. It's standard tactics. Been done countless times. Sometimes it works, and when it doesn't, it's not like you lost anything, is it.

I certainly blame the favourites, but most 2nd-tier riders had a completely awful attitude too.

 

[Escarabajo]

yeah and now he sees he prooves again he recovers well (and is consistant). how can he proove that AGAIN when appearantly he never did before? oh the irony...

Vuelta a Colombia was always my guide. But that one last only two weeks. Now that he has finished he proofs that he can recuperate very well, for two weeks and now for three weeks.

 

[Michele]

the smaller a rider is. the easier it is to work on a better itt position. because the differences will be smaller meaning the change won't be too much for a rider like henao. bigger guys with natural horrible aero positions like schleck and basso, need to change position so much that they become powerless with such big changes.

Sorry but I dont follow you about the "changing position" cause that doesnt happen on some big guys like Cancellara/Martin/Zabrinskie/etc and imho I would disagree about lower height=better position on TT bike.

 

[Escarabajo]

I think the way they rode in this Giro was understandable, as it was Henao's first GT and Uran needed to get a decent GC result to prove his credentials as a 3 week racer. In future, though, they need to race more aggressively to fulfil their potential.

+1.

In future races, now with more confidence in their performances, they can race more aggressively. And now Sky have more knowledge about their potential.

 

[profff]

Congratulations to Uran and Henao.

Henao proved once more that he has great recovery and is very consistent.

I have waited 25 years (1985,1987-1988) to see two Colombians climbing with consistency in a Grand Tour and finishing high up in the GC. I am very happy. I see the golden years of "Escarabajos" coming again with Henao, Uran, Quintana, Betancur, Duarte, Atapuma and probably many more.

ohhh yes, the years i coming
i wrote it this fall and very few were giving attention to that.
now two colombians top 10 in giro, duarte top 5 in ToC, betancur, quintana and atapuma going very well.
next year will be better

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

yeah and now he sees he prooves again he recovers well (and is consistant). how can he proove that AGAIN when appearantly he never did before? oh the irony...

Again Colombia was not a full 3 week European raced GT, your thickness and failure to understand the simplest points amazes me.

But again, we can the see the claims for "he will podium easy" at giro was indeed ridiculous.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I said many things. also how he could blow in steep climbs. that´s what happened. surly he did better than you expected.

anyway as I said 100x before. if you are colombian you recuperate well always. if you can win vuelta colombia especially. 16 days of pure altitude says a lot.

 

[hrotha]

You said he'd either podium or blow up, nothing in between.