"HGH: Myth and Reality"

[Polish]

New article today by Dr Michele Ferrari.

The good doctor seems to think HGH is a bit overrated PED wise...

if athletes using it notice any improvement in their performances, this is due to a placebo effect supported by subjective &#8220]

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=94


Seems HGH has a tendency to slow one's cadence too, says Dr F.
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[happychappy]

8 weeks. GH is not something you take for "weeks". Find an article that measures recovery time and injury repair over 12 months of 20iu per week. It isn't taken to "increase v02max".

No doubt this is another of your creepy little "troll thread" attempts since the ramblings of this "doctor" will no doubt be linked to HWSNBN. Do you not get bored with this month and after month?

 

[Benotti69]

8 weeks. GH is not something you take for "weeks". Find an article that measures recovery time and injury repair over 12 months of 20iu per week. It isn't taken to "increase v02max".

No doubt this is another of your creepy little "troll thread" attempts since the ramblings of this "doctor" will no doubt be linked to HWSNBN. Do you not get bored with this month and after month?

creepy, i like it. i suppose it beats him packing bags at walmart

 

[Hugh Januss]

Fishing without a rod again.

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HGH: Myth and Reality
By: Michele Ferrari
.......... while the capacity of sprinting for a maximal effort of 30” on a cycloergometer resulted improved by approximately 4%.

The Authors therefore hypothesize that the treatment with HGH enhances the anaerobic lactacid metabolism.

Although maybe this does explain the mythology of Lance's famed ability to dispose of lactic acid better than anyone else?

 

[jimmypop]

So even though Armstrong was (ab)using HGH, it wasn't really helping him.

Minimizing the effects of PED (ab)use isn't a new tactic, Pole-man. We've been around this barn a number of times, and each time you emerge with the handle of a pitchfork wedged firmly up your rear.

 

[BroDeal]

"HGH is no more effective than orange juice." -- Dr. Ferrari.

 

[jimmypop]

Orange juice will bring this divided nation together.

- Michael Scott

-Lance Armstrong

 

[D-Queued]

"HGH, EPO, CERA, Testosterone, Clenbuterol, IGF-1, HCG, probenecid, ephedrine, salbutamol, cortisone, extracts of cortisone, Hemassist, and Blood doping are no more effective or dangerous than orange juice." -- Dr. Ferrari.

Fixed that for you.

Dave.

 

[Kennf1]

Interesting that a cycling "coach" is spending time downplaying the effects of a PED. I think Sly Stallone would vehemently disagree with his comments.

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting that a cycling "coach" is spending time downplaying the effects of a PED. I think Sly Stallone would vehemently disagree with his comments.

half of the male population of hollywood along with Sly Stallone

 

[skippythepinhead]

half of the male population of hollywood along with Sly Stallone

Yeah, and the measured improvement after only 8 weeks in non-athletes translates to a 5 minute head start in a two hour race and the takeaway is supposed to be that it's not effective?

Creepy AND pathetic, and to keep with the Hollywood angle, perfectly Buscemi-esque.

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah, and the measured improvement after only 8 weeks in non-athletes translates to a 5 minute head start in a two hour race and the takeaway is supposed to be that it's not effective?

Creepy AND pathetic, and to keep with the Hollywood angle, perfectly Buscemi-esque.

yep and the paparazzi pics of the stars between movies where they look normal and are obviously not 'preparing' to shoot a movie, the difference is huge.

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

Ferrari is right.
HGH provides little benefit. The effect of use was a 4% increase in sprint ability only. Tests used as indicators of endurance performance and strength showed nothing. Previous studies have actually shown decreases in VO2 max when HGH is taken long term.

Research on HGH is not extensive so far. It is also fairly reductionist in its approach, but the Garvan institute study that Ferrari refers to was well run and was not far from ideal conditions. HGH would be useful for track sprinters only.

Given the test results though, one shouldnt count out the role of body fat loss that HGH gives. Long term though the visceromegally wont help an endurance athlete at all.

 

[Benotti69]

Ferrari is right.
HGH provides little benefit. The effect of use was a 4% increase in sprint ability only. Tests used as indicators of endurance performance and strength showed nothing. Previous studies have actually shown decreases in VO2 max when HGH is taken long term.

Research on HGH is not extensive so far. It is also fairly reductionist in its approach, but the Garvan institute study that Ferrari refers to was well run and was not far from ideal conditions. HGH would be useful for track sprinters only.

Given the test results though, one shouldnt count out the role of body fat loss that HGH gives. Long term though the visceromegally wont help an endurance athlete at all.

Have you any links to that above?

 

[Von Mises]

Have you any links to that above?

This is no news. Benefits of hGh in sports are not clear cut case. Look for instance at this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18347346

 

[Barrus]

This is no news. Benefits of hGh in sports are not clear cut case. Look for instance at this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18347346

I agree, however the perception of the benefit is there and sometimes that can be enough for people to abuse it. Also i don't know how true this is, but I have read this in some scientific articles:

One reason is that athletes look for an individual response, whereas clinical trials look at mean changes. In addition, similar arguments were made about anabolic steroids, and only recently have clinical trials shown what athletes have known for a long time&#8212]

Other sources state that it is not the HGH in itself that is so beneficial, but it is the HGH in combination with other doping products that provide for the greater benefit.

A further problem with the designs of our clinical trials is that they are designed to test one or at most two interventions. In reality, for the reasons described above, GH is frequently used by athletes in combination with insulin and anabolic steroids in varying concentrations during differing training and dietary regimens. It is impossible to control for all these variables within a single trial, and therefore it seems likely that the athletes using the &#8216]

http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WG5-4WJ91KM-2&_user=499882&_coverDate=08%2F31%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1719254852&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000024498&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=499882&md5=a39ee2693781317825fc3a77f24b7c1f&searchtype=a#secx11

 

[Epicycle]

Other sources state that it is not the HGH in itself that is so beneficial, but it is the HGH in combination with other doping products that provide for the greater benefit.

Yeah until studies are done on it's use in conjunction with testosterone the jury is still going to be out on it's effectiveness for endurance athletes, but I'm sure the good doctor is well aware of that.

 

[Berzin]

To say HgH isn't effective by people who know nothing about it and then use studies quoted by Dr. Ferrari is absolutely hilarious.

HgH lets you train at a higher threshold on a daily basis because it all but removes the muscle soreness from training that all athletes feel. This is not anecdotal, this is real.

Anone who thinks it makes little to no difference as applied to cycling either doesn't know what they're talking about or is pursuing an agenda.

Another point-this is just in time. Let's have Ferrari downplay PED use to strengthen up "the myth", who despite being doped with every substance known to man, was still the most talented and hardest-working rider in the peloton.

 

[jimmypop]

Polish does some self-polishing each time someone replies to this thread.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

To say HgH isn't effective by people who know nothing about it and then use studies quoted by Dr. Ferrari is absolutely hilarious.

HgH lets you train at a higher threshold on a daily basis because it all but removes the muscle soreness from training that all athletes feel. This is not anecdotal, this is real.

Anone who thinks it makes little to no difference as applied to cycling either doesn't know what they're talking about or is pursuing an agenda.

Another point-this is just in time. Let's have Ferrari downplay PED use to strengthen up "the myth", who despite being doped with every substance known to man, was still the most talented and hardest-working rider in the peloton.

Exactly! This reminds me of the flurry of posts after Contador's positive for clen. There were mulitiple people making statements like, "why would he take clenbuterol? It does nothing...".

Makes me wonder if the posters are ignorant, or if they have alterior motives...

 

[Benotti69]

Exactly! This reminds me of the flurry of posts after Contador's positive for clen. There were mulitiple people making statements like, "why would he take clenbuterol? It does nothing...".

Makes me wonder if the posters are ignorant, or if they have alterior motives...

there is big push on 2 say that the PEDs have little or effect. How many posts have been put up about every that rider is a doper and the PEDs don't have that much effect. They are desperate to start a damage limitation exercise. Trying to say Gunderson was the most talented rider ever and he only took it because everyone did blah blah blah.....it is pathetic and funny to see fanboys who a year ago were say 'never tested positive' and, 'most tested athlete' to the PEDs don't work anyway

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

there is big push on 2 say that the PEDs have little or effect. How many posts have been put up about every that rider is a doper and the PEDs don't have that much effect. They are desperate to start a damage limitation exercise. Trying to say Gunderson was the most talented rider ever and he only took it because everyone did blah blah blah.....it is pathetic and funny to see fanboys who a year ago were say 'never tested positive' and, 'most tested athlete' to the PEDs don't work anyway

That and the minimization of riders like Bassons and Moncoutie (eg: riders thought to be clean), by the 'myopic sophist gang' on the respective threads...

I have a hard time believing that posters are that stubborn only for strubborness' sake.

 

[Benotti69]

That and the minimization of riders like Bassons and Moncoutie (eg: riders thought to be clean), by the 'myopic sophist gang' on the respective threads...

I have a hard time believing that posters are that stubborn only for strubborness' sake.

i think these are more than posters. some mentioned people posting are akin to cult members

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well after this and Sinkerwitz positive recently I better reduce my prices.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Nicely done... Expect a PM ordering the lot of what you offer. Masters' season is ramping up, and I have a fragile ego that's only bolstered by cheating my training buddies out of boxes of powerbars and a couple of bargain-bin tires...