Priceless!Dr. Maserati said:Well after this and Sinkerwitz positive recently I better reduce my prices.
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BroDeal said:"HGH is no more effective than orange juice." -- Dr. Ferrari.
Barrus said:I agree, however the perception of the benefit is there and sometimes that can be enough for people to abuse it. Also i don't know how true this is, but I have read this in some scientific articles:
Other sources state that it is not the HGH in itself that is so beneficial, but it is the HGH in combination with other doping products that provide for the greater benefit.
http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WG5-4WJ91KM-2&_user=499882&_coverDate=08%2F31%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1719254852&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000024498&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=499882&md5=a39ee2693781317825fc3a77f24b7c1f&searchtype=a#secx11
Berzin said:To say HgH isn't effective by people who know nothing about it and then use studies quoted by Dr. Ferrari is absolutely hilarious.
HgH lets you train at a higher threshold on a daily basis because it all but removes the muscle soreness from training that all athletes feel. This is not anecdotal, this is real.
Anone who thinks it makes little to no difference as applied to cycling either doesn't know what they're talking about or is pursuing an agenda.
Another point-this is just in time. Let's have Ferrari downplay PED use to strengthen up "the myth", who despite being doped with every substance known to man, was still the most talented and hardest-working rider in the peloton.
Brooks Fahey Baldwin said:Actually I'm not quoting Ferrari. I have infact, in the last four weeks, read 136 academic articles on the role of recombinant HGH. The best two articles are a literature review by Liu et al 2008 http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.short, which covers research up to 2008.
The most important study since then was published by Meinhardt and Nelson in 2010. http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short
HGH has actually been indicated to decrease VO2 max. The only way that it could be useful is of course the small sprint ability and weight loss. An increase in sprint ability in cyclists could possibly make a difference, but we dont know how it would act after a 200km flat stage for example.
The role of weight loss should not be ignored. If you are 2kg overweight at the Dauphine and need to shed a bit, HGH would be great. Its half life is only six hours, so testing positive is highly unlikely out of competition. But then, clenbuterol would probably be better for that.
HGH does help people like Stallone because it makes them look better. Wrinkles go away and muscles look cut. It has even been reported to help your eyesight etc. But that is a far cry from having it help you pump out 6.9W kg. I think it is just a case of the Emperors new clothes.
Brooks Fahey Baldwin said:Actually I'm not quoting Ferrari. I have infact, in the last four weeks, read 136 academic articles on the role of recombinant HGH. The best two articles are a literature review by Liu et al 2008 http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.short, which covers research up to 2008.
The most important study since then was published by Meinhardt and Nelson in 2010. http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short
HGH has actually been indicated to decrease VO2 max. The only way that it could be useful is of course the small sprint ability and weight loss. An increase in sprint ability in cyclists could possibly make a difference, but we dont know how it would act after a 200km flat stage for example.
The role of weight loss should not be ignored. If you are 2kg overweight at the Dauphine and need to shed a bit, HGH would be great. Its half life is only six hours, so testing positive is highly unlikely out of competition. But then, clenbuterol would probably be better for that.
HGH does help people like Stallone because it makes them look better. Wrinkles go away and muscles look cut. It has even been reported to help your eyesight etc. But that is a far cry from having it help you pump out 6.9W kg. I think it is just a case of the Emperors new clothes.
Race Radio said:Also recovery, very important to a cyclist
Brooks Fahey Baldwin said:Actually I'm not quoting Ferrari. I have infact, in the last four weeks, read 136 academic articles on the role of recombinant HGH. The best two articles are a literature review by Liu et al 2008 http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.short, which covers research up to 2008.
The most important study since then was published by Meinhardt and Nelson in 2010. http://www.annals.org/content/152/9/568.short
HGH has actually been indicated to decrease VO2 max. The only way that it could be useful is of course the small sprint ability and weight loss. An increase in sprint ability in cyclists could possibly make a difference, but we dont know how it would act after a 200km flat stage for example.
The role of weight loss should not be ignored. If you are 2kg overweight at the Dauphine and need to shed a bit, HGH would be great. Its half life is only six hours, so testing positive is highly unlikely out of competition. But then, clenbuterol would probably be better for that.
HGH does help people like Stallone because it makes them look better. Wrinkles go away and muscles look cut. It has even been reported to help your eyesight etc. But that is a far cry from having it help you pump out 6.9W kg. I think it is just a case of the Emperors new clothes.
Few studies evaluated athletic performance. Growth hormone protocols in the studies may not reflect real-world doses and regimens.
Growth hormone dosage may have been lower than that used covertly by competitive athletes. The athletic significance of the observed improvements in sprint capacity is unclear
Rip:30 said:136 articles but you missed the most important variable.