How many more GT's will Contador win?

[Carols]

Spot on and that was why I would not put Contador odds on for the Tour next year.

The fact is that Schleck is close to his climbing level if not on it. Contador has always had the edge because of his TT, but that is not assured at all. Froome is also very close to his climbing level and may even be equal to or above Contador, we dont really know and will only find out at next year's Tour for sure. Wiggins as well is looking good and though Contador is probably stronger he is not someone to be under estimanted, because he climbed as good as anyone bar Froome in the Tour and can put 1 min into Contador per TT easily. Then there are the up and coming riders to consider such as Quintana, Pinot, TJVG, Dombro if anyone of them, and others indeed as well such as Rolland, become really really good then Contador will also have a hard time winning.

Then there is the fact that we have yet to see Contador at his Giro 2011 form, maybe he will never reach that pinacle? Maybe he will decline early?

There are a lot of variables here and though some are more likely than others, the defining fact is that they all contribute to make it extremely difficult for Contador to win all these ridiculous bags of GTs everyone seems to be talking about. If just one of the above comes into reality then Contador's bid for or so more Gts will be scuppered. So it is a possibility he can win them because he is a true GT winner and an amazingly talented rider, but it is extremely unlikely considering the circumstances.

All well and good but the man has crossed the line first in 7 of the last 8 GTs he's ridden. Hard to ignore that amount of innate talent, add in the courage and mental fortitude and you have a Champion. He may fade early but based on history he is coming into his prime years. Only time will tell.

 

[airstream]

Don't lie, you want wiggins to participate and see how Contador drops him like a stone.

And then the day after, drink thee while reading the british newspaper and watching it again and again and again

Then realising today there's another mountain stage

let's assume you are right on wiggins. in what do you see contador's edge in comparison to froome? i don't see any but titles, but froome doesn't look up to any titles.

 

[Telmisartan new]

let's assume you are right on wiggins. in what do you see contador's edge in comparison to froome? i don't see any but titles, but froome doesn't look up to any titles.

Froome isn't a proven winner unless your counting the Anatomic Jock Race, its a bit of a stretch to rate him equally with Contador on that basis.

 

[airstream]

Froome isn't a proven winner unless your counting the Anatomic Jock Race, its a bit of a stretch to rate him equally with Contador on that basis.

right, on that basis contador doesn't have any opponent and everybody should vote for 6+

 

[ferryman]

let's assume you are right on wiggins. in what do you see contador's edge in comparison to froome? i don't see any but titles, but froome doesn't look up to any titles.

Oh man, you are so letting our Andy fan club down with these posts of yours.

What can't you see but titles? One serious (ha freaking ha) contest and a totally out of form Bertie p~~es all over Froome. Froome only looks up to see AC dancing away in July my myopic fellow Andy fan.

 

[Telmisartan new]

right, on that basis contador doesn't have any opponent and everybody should vote for 6+

Correct.You asked where AC would have an advantage over Froome.I would think a mountain TT (heavily rumoured to be in TDF 2013) for starters, then we have the mountains generally where i very much doubt Froome could respond to AC's constant vicious accelerations and then we have superior mental fortitude and we could also probably throw in a superior team.Apart from that Froome shouldnt be too far away from him.One is a thoroughbred champion,the other is a level below that unfortunately, although a top stage-racer.

 

[airstream]

Oh man, you are so letting our Andy fan club down with these posts of yours.

What can't you see but titles? One serious (ha freaking ha) contest and a totally out of form Bertie p~~es all over Froome. Froome only looks up to see AC dancing away in July my myopic fellow Andy fan.

firstly i'm entitled to express opinion not only on the matters relating to andy directly. rather you are very very myopic if you saying about "out of form Bertie" seriously. it's a childly caprice to think so, just a cheap excuse, especially considering with what grandiose expectations the come back was accompanied. but no wonder. everything is forgotten and simply written off on "out of form". superb.

 

[Miburo]

let's assume you are right on wiggins. in what do you see contador's edge in comparison to froome? i don't see any but titles, but froome doesn't look up to any titles.

You want a serious discussion? Well i'll give you some bait, it should be fun.

Froome was in the vuelta nowhere near his tour-form right? Look at how Contador was in tour '11 after his giro.

They toyed with froome while Contador still managed to attack and hold his own in that tour despite falling and directly losing time.

It should show you the difference in class. Btw Contador rode one of the hardest giro ever.

 

[SeriousSam]

If anyone thinks Contador isn't the favourite for next year's TdF, there's money to be made. The bookies have him as the fav.

 

[airstream]

You want a serious discussion? Well i'll give you some bait, it should be fun.

Froome was in the vuelta nowhere near his tour-form right? Look at how Contador was in tour '11 after his giro.

They toyed with froome while Contador still managed to attack and hold his own in that tour despite falling and directly losing time.

It should show you the difference in class. Btw Contador rode one of the hardest giro ever.

i'm being absolutely serious.

1. there was a bigger time difference between giro and tour and tour and vuelta (+olympics);
2. the fact that one can ride 2 gts in a row doesn't mean he's stronger in the main one (tdf). there's quite an indirect connection in that;
3. rivals make the race hard much more than parcours itself. the rivals in the giro 2011 were weak even by their standarts (besides scarponi).

well, ok, perhaps we handle this stuff differently. i'm saying about the tour. you are saying about class. if to you 'class' is ability to keep a good shape longer (say 2,3 months), there's nothing to dispute about, cos i'm looking into purely the 2013 tour

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Correct.You asked where AC would have an advantage over Froome.I would think a mountain TT (heavily rumoured to be in TDF 2013) for starters, then we have the mountains generally where i very much doubt Froome could respond to AC's constant vicious accelerations and then we have superior mental fortitude and we could also probably throw in a superior team.Apart from that Froome shouldnt be too far away from him.One is a thoroughbred champion,the other is a level below that unfortunately, although a top stage-racer.

You dont have idea of what are the limits of Froome, you, me and all. Didnt see it in the TDF. The Vuelta is not a reference after Tour and Olympics .

 

[Telmisartan new]

i'm being absolutely serious.

1. there was a bigger time difference between giro and tour and tour and vuelta (+olympics);
2. the fact that one can ride 2 gts in a row doesn't mean he's stronger in the main one (tdf). there's quite an indirect connection in that;
3. rivals make the race hard much more than parcours itself. the rivals in the giro 2011 were weak even by their standarts (besides scarponi).

Contador equals 7 Grand Tour wins
Froome equals Anatomic Jock Race win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpH2GB43xT0

 

[airstream]

Contador equals 7 Grand Tour wins
Froome equals Anatomic Jock Race win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpH2GB43xT0

ok, no problem, 7 titles will go to corsica instead of contador and win the tour by themselves.

 

[ferryman]

firstly i'm entitled to express opinion not only on the matters relating to andy directly. rather you are very very myopic if you saying about "out of form Bertie" seriously. it's a childly caprice to think so, just a cheap excuse, especially considering with what grandiose expectations the come back was accompanied. but no wonder. everything is forgotten and simply written off on "out of form". superb.

Ok. I will expand on my out of form quote for you to understand. Out of racing. Not being tested in a race situation. Riding in a peloton with all of it's difficulties.

And Contador overcame all of those and still won but more importantly for this debate about Froome being a real contender, TEN minutes my fellow Andy fan.

 

[Miburo]

i'm being absolutely serious.

1. there was a bigger time difference between giro and tour and tour and vuelta (+olympics);
2. the fact that one can ride 2 gts in a row doesn't mean he's stronger in the main one (tdf). there's quite an indirect connection in that;
3. rivals make the race hard much more than parcours itself. the rivals in the giro 2011 were weak even by their standarts (besides scarponi).

well, ok, perhaps we handle this stuff differently. i'm saying about the tour. you are saying about class. if to you 'class' is ability to keep a good shape longer (say 2,3 months), there's nothing to dispute about, cos i'm looking into purely the 2013 tour

Nibali was in the giro 2011. Anyway what about the competition in tour 2011 compared to the ones of the vuelta 2012?

You're saying that froome had it easier in the vuelta than Contador in the tour who had many times bad luck in the tour while falling 3 times?

 

[airstream]

Ok. I will expand on my out of form quote for you to understand. Out of racing. Not being tested in a race situation. Riding in a peloton with all of it's difficulties.

And Contador overcame all of those and still won but more importantly for this debate about Froome being a real contender, TEN minutes my fellow Andy fan.

what's the use to dissect these 10 minutes? it's almost about nothing. froome realized he was out of battle for the podium after cavadonga i think. he had really null in the tank and rode the third week solely on pride, i don't know, on desire to get to madrid. the man was totally gutted.

 

[Telmisartan new]

You dont have idea of what are the limits of Froome, you, me and all. Didnt see it in the TDF. The Vuelta is not a reference after Tour and Olympics .

I fear i am unable to comment further on your post without straying into clinic territory.

 

[airstream]

Nibali was in the giro 2011. Anyway what about the competition in tour 2011 compared to the ones of the vuelta 2012?

You're saying that froome had it easier in the vuelta than Contador in the tour who had many times bad luck in the tour while falling 3 times?

nibali was really bad in that giro. it was his worst gt, excluding '11 vuelta. competitions are pretty close, but the tour one is always more solid and representative. A bigger nerve always becomes ingrained in the tour competition.

You're saying that froome had it easier in the vuelta than Contador in the tour

i never said that. i rate froome higher basically on the base of the '11 vuelta and this year tour.

contador got lots of luck in the pyrenees in 2011. in principle, he was bound to be flipped harshly, but that didn't happen because of pdb stupid parade showing and so on.

 

[Telmisartan new]

If anyone thinks Contador isn't the favourite for next year's TdF, there's money to be made. The bookies have him as the fav.

Hi Sam.Pleased to meet you,a fellow newbie like me.I wholeheartedly agree,got 7-4 the other day,i see he's now 11-8,hesitated on the 2-1 and it went.Money for old rope as they say.

 

[Afrank]

If anyone thinks Contador isn't the favourite for next year's TdF, there's money to be made. The bookies have him as the fav.

It's a little early to already be calling Contador the favorite, after all we haven't even seen the route yet. And a lot can happen between now and the start of next years tour. Lets at least wait until we see the route.

 

[ferryman]

what's the use to dissect these 10 minutes? it's almost about nothing. froome realized he was out of battle for the podium after cavadonga i think. he had really null in the tank and rode the third week solely on pride, i don't know, on desire to get to madrid. the man was totally gutted.

Och, losing it my friend. Froome fought tooth and nail the first week to try and stay in the game. Fact is he was blown away when the big boys came to play and he couldn't cope. If you want to read anything other than he simply wasn't good enough then OK for you but you are simply wrong

 

[airstream]

Och, losing it my friend. Froome fought tooth and nail the first week to try and stay in the game. Fact is he was blown away when the big boys came to play and he couldn't cope. If you want to read anything other than he simply wasn't good enough then OK for you but you are simply wrong

did i say froome was good in the vuelta or something? i was saying froome is a bigger favourite for the tour imo

 

[ferryman]

Hi Sam.Pleased to meet you,a fellow newbie like me.I wholeheartedly agree,got 7-4 the other day,i see he's now 11-8,hesitated on the 2-1 and it went.Money for old rope as they say.

Wait for the Tour route guys in October But yeah I'm on at 11/8 as well

 

[Telmisartan new]

Wait for the Tour route guys in October But yeah I'm on at 11/8 as well

Sweet.Prudhomme would be shot if he didnt concoct a nice tasty mountain route for next year especially after the amount of TT'ing in this year's edition.I'm seeing Roche,Kreuziger and Contador.......no,sorry,your right,let's wait before crowning the winner, anything can happen(injury,illness etc) so its not a done deal although i'm glad i am on now and not at 4-6 the week before it starts.

 

[ferryman]

did i say froome was good in the vuelta or something? i was saying froome is a bigger favourite for the tour imo

Ok based on the Vuelta can you justify why you think a guy like Froome who just got his *** kicked around the mountains of Spain by an unfit Contador can do this? Thanks on advance.