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How to Determine if Contador is Innocent

The report that Contador’s TDF samples had high levels of metabolites of the plasticizer DEHP seems to provide strong evidence that he transfused blood, which would also account for the small amount of clenbuterol (CB) in his samples. Much of the evidence supporting DEHP metabolites as markers for blood transfusion comes from a paper by Segura and others comparing values of these metabolites in urine from patients who had transfused blood with 48 hours with controls who had not undergone a transfusion (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111...09.02352.x/full

), though the German lab that actually tested AC's samples apparently used a slightly different protocol. More than half the transfusion patients exhibited metabolite levels of greater than 200 ng/ml. In contrast, none of the controls (n = 30) had values anywhere close to this. Another, much larger study, involving more than 2500 subjects, likewise reported that the vast majority of non-transfused patients (>95%) had levels of DEHP metabolites below 100 ng/ml. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2920922/?tool=pubmed)

). Since Bert’s reported values were 480 and 210 ng/ml, the conclusion that he blood doped seems very strong.

However, there are other studies of DEHP that suggest more variability of its urine metabolite levels than that reported by Segura. Two studies of a relatively small number of non-transfused subjects (n = 25, n = 45) both reported a highest MEHHP level of about 250 ng/ml. (http://data.healthis.org/pv/201004/a03.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2929921/
). MEHHP is the metabolite of DEHP generally found in urine in the highest concentration, and the 480 ng/ml value reported for Bert probably is for this metabolite. In any case, each of these studies found a highest control value for this metabolite that was considerably higher than the highest value found for controls in the Segura study. In the study of 2500 subjects mentioned earlier, the highest value for this metabolite was more than 3000 ng/ml, a whopping seven times higher than Contador’s highest reported value. The highest value for another metabolite studied by Segura, MEHP, was more than 700 ng/ml, and for a third, MEOHP, about 2000 ng/ml.

Of course, such a large study would be expected to find higher outlier values, but even taking into account the number of subjects tested, these values are far larger than would be expected on the basis of a normal distribution. In fact, both this study and the two other studies I mentioned reveal a distribution of DEHP metabolite values that is highly skewed--there are a few people with extremely high values. This poses a serious problem for any WADA test, which has to minimize the possibility of false positives.

Even more damning to the WADA test than the magnitude of some control values, though, is their variability within a single individual. In addition to producing high values of DEHP, a blood transfusion is thought to result in a spike of such values. They go way up shortly after the transfusion, as large amounts of DEHP enter the bloodstream, then rapidly decline as the substance is metabolized. Contador’s values allegedly showed just such a spike, with values declining from several hundred ng/ml to 50 or less the following day, and this is considered further evidence of transfusion.

However, a very recent study reports that enormous variation in MEHHP levels can occur within non-transfused individuals, from day to day or even hour to hour (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20797930

). One subject in this study, for example, showed an increase in MEHHP levels from about 100 ng/ml to 1000 ng/ml in a few hours. Another subject showed an increase from 10 ng/ml to 1000 ng/ml in a period of a few days. This study thus not only demonstrates that very high levels of DEHP can be detected in some non-transfused subjects, but that levels can show sudden spikes over time.

A key factor in observing such spikes is collection and analysis of spot urine samples; that is, every sample produced by a subject over a period of several days or more is examined. In the Segura study, urine samples obtained over a 24 period were pooled, then tested as a single sample; this would tend to average out such variations. In the other studies I cited above, spot samples were obtained, but only a single one was analyzed for each subject. Using this approach, one would expect to detect some relatively high values--and indeed, as I discussed earlier, these studies did indeed find some values higher than any reported by Segura for control subjects. But of course, variability within individuals could not be determined.

Could Contador be the victim of such natural variation? It should be easy enough to see if this is the case. If he really is innocent, as he claims, he ought to submit to spot testing of urine samples for DEHP metabolites over a period of several days. If the values recorded for his TDF samples were the result of normal variation, that variation should be evident in such a re-test. At least a few of his samples ought to show values in the range of those reported for his TDF samples, while others would be much lower. In other words, the spike reported in his TDF samples would be a natural phenomenon, as shown in other individuals. If this is indeed the case, he will have a very strong argument that the DEHP results do not establish blood doping, which in turn, will strengthen his claim that his CB positive resulted from contaminated meat.

On the other hand, if his samples show no evidence of variation that could account for high DEHP values--if they remain consistently low over a period of several days--then a conclusion of blood doping becomes much stronger. The only alternative explanation would be that he was exposed to some other source of DEHP. But this is unlikely, not only because other sources that can account for such high levels are rare, but because the exposure was temporary. It’s difficult to imagine what he could have done during a TDF--when he spent most of his time either racing or in a hotel room--that would have brought him into contact with high levels of DEHP, and only on one particular day.

Regardless of the outcome of the Contador case, I think there are some serious problems with the proposed DEHP test for blood doping. Others have pointed out that athletes could avoid excessive exposure by storing blood in containers that have much lower levels of DEHP than commonly-used blood bags. But even if all transfusions took place with DEHP-containing blood bags, interpreting results may be very difficult, given the variability of metabolite levels. Possibly, a clear-cut difference between transfuses and non-transfuses can be defined by taking 24 hour samples, averaging out variations over time, as in Segura’s study. But it’s very difficult to obtain such samples from athletes; normally, a spot sample is taken. And of course, all samples currently stored from earlier events are of this kind.
 
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Great post!

Pardon my ignorance, but the fact that he had DEHP (or its metabolites) in his urine creates suspicion that he may have auto-tranfused (or bagged something else and dripped it). Is that right?

I sort of lost the plot with the varied sample sizes and temporal testing protocols. The mere fact that these metabolites are in existence in his urine means something, right?

Would there be any other means that would introduce DEHP into his system apart from bagged blood? Would a saline drip allow for these metabolites? At these levels?

Are IV interventions banned as per the UCI?

Bring it on, Brainmeister! Love your posts!
 

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Golly gee Mr. Wizard. Don't you know that they just hook you up to a machine and an investigator questions you while a machine photographs your iris.
They had it on the documentary film "Bladerunner"

Most definetly Alberto is a replicant and needs to be retired. He is past his 4 year work load.
 

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Merckx index said:
The report that Contador’s TDF samples had high levels of metabolites of the plasticizer DEHP seems to provide strong evidence that he transfused blood, which would also account for the small amount of clenbuterol (CB) in his samples. Much of the evidence supporting DEHP metabolites as markers for blood transfusion comes from a paper by Segura and others comparing values of these metabolites in urine from patients who had transfused blood with 48 hours with controls who had not undergone a transfusion (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111...09.02352.x/full

), though the German lab that actually tested AC's samples apparently used a slightly different protocol. More than half the transfusion patients exhibited metabolite levels of greater than 200 ng/ml. In contrast, none of the controls (n = 30) had values anywhere close to this. Another, much larger study, involving more than 2500 subjects, likewise reported that the vast majority of non-transfused patients (>95%) had levels of DEHP metabolites below 100 ng/ml. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P...0112-000331.pdf

). Since Bert’s reported values were 480 and 210 ng/ml, the conclusion that he blood doped seems very strong.

However, there are other studies of DEHP that suggest more variability of its urine metabolite levels than that reported by Segura. Two studies of a relatively small number of non-transfused subjects (n = 25, n = 45) both reported a highest MEHHP level of about 250 ng/ml. (http://data.healthis.org/pv/201004/a03.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2929921/
). MEHHP is the metabolite of DEHP generally found in urine in the highest concentration, and the 480 ng/ml value reported for Bert probably is for this metabolite. In any case, each of these studies found a highest control value for this metabolite that was considerably higher than the highest value found for controls in the Segura study. In the study of 2500 subjects mentioned earlier, the highest value for this metabolite was more than 3000 ng/ml, a whopping seven times higher than Contador’s highest reported value. The highest value for another metabolite studied by Segura, MEHP, was more than 700 ng/ml, and for a third, MEOHP, about 2000 ng/ml.

Of course, such a large study would be expected to find higher outlier values, but even taking into account the number of subjects tested, these values are far larger than would be expected on the basis of a normal distribution. In fact, both this study and the two other studies I mentioned reveal a distribution of DEHP metabolite values that is highly skewed--there are a few people with extremely high values. This poses a serious problem for any WADA test, which has to minimize the possibility of false positives.

Even more damning to the WADA test than the magnitude of some control values, though, is their variability within a single individual. In addition to producing high values of DEHP, a blood transfusion is thought to result in a spike of such values. They go way up shortly after the transfusion, as large amounts of DEHP enter the bloodstream, then rapidly decline as the substance is metabolized. Contador’s values allegedly showed just such a spike, with values declining from several hundred ng/ml to 50 or less the following day, and this is considered further evidence of transfusion.

However, a very recent study reports that enormous variation in MEHHP levels can occur within non-transfused individuals, from day to day or even hour to hour (http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/info:do...289/ehp.1002231

). One subject in this study, for example, showed an increase in MEHHP levels from about 100 ng/ml to 1000 ng/ml in a few hours. Another subject showed an increase from 10 ng/ml to 1000 ng/ml in a period of a few days. This study thus not only demonstrates that very high levels of DEHP can be detected in some non-transfused subjects, but that levels can show sudden spikes over time.

A key factor in observing such spikes is collection and analysis of spot urine samples; that is, every sample produced by a subject over a period of several days or more is examined. In the Segura study, urine samples obtained over a 24 period were pooled, then tested as a single sample; this would tend to average out such variations. In the other studies I cited above, spot samples were obtained, but only a single one was analyzed for each subject. Using this approach, one would expect to detect some relatively high values--and indeed, as I discussed earlier, these studies did indeed find some values higher than any reported by Segura for control subjects. But of course, variability within individuals could not be determined.

Could Contador be the victim of such natural variation? It should be easy enough to see if this is the case. If he really is innocent, as he claims, he ought to submit to spot testing of urine samples for DEHP metabolites over a period of several days. If the values recorded for his TDF samples were the result of normal variation, that variation should be evident in such a re-test. At least a few of his samples ought to show values in the range of those reported for his TDF samples, while others would be much lower. In other words, the spike reported in his TDF samples would be a natural phenomenon, as shown in other individuals. If this is indeed the case, he will have a very strong argument that the DEHP results do not establish blood doping, which in turn, will strengthen his claim that his CB positive resulted from contaminated meat.

On the other hand, if his samples show no evidence of variation that could account for high DEHP values--if they remain consistently low over a period of several days--then a conclusion of blood doping becomes much stronger. The only alternative explanation would be that he was exposed to some other source of DEHP. But this is unlikely, not only because other sources that can account for such high levels are rare, but because the exposure was temporary. It’s difficult to imagine what he could have done during a TDF--when he spent most of his time either racing or in a hotel room--that would have brought him into contact with high levels of DEHP, and only on one particular day.

Regardless of the outcome of the Contador case, I think there are some serious problems with the proposed DEHP test for blood doping. Others have pointed out that athletes could avoid excessive exposure by storing blood in containers that have much lower levels of DEHP than commonly-used blood bags. But even if all transfusions took place with DEHP-containing blood bags, interpreting results may be very difficult, given the variability of metabolite levels. Possibly, a clear-cut difference between transfuses and non-transfuses can be defined by taking 24 hour samples, averaging out variations over time, as in Segura’s study. But it’s very difficult to obtain such samples from athletes; normally, a spot sample is taken. And of course, all samples currently stored from earlier events are of this kind.

Uh I vote for the freak of nature defense like my Big Man Japan Greg LeMond!
 

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JMBeaushrimp said:
That was a boat-load of quoting for not a lot of substance....

Let me make it a little simpler for you. "Alberto your 15 minutes of fame has expired. You are the weakest link, G' bye"
 
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How to determine if Contador is innocent: toss a coin and see if it lands on its edge.

Anyway, continue...
 
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Merckx index said:
Lots of stuff
Good job. I think maybe now you understand what I was getting at in those other threads. Especially concerning to me was the fluctuations over time depending on when the samples were taken. The volatility of the values is concerning for using the test as a basis for sanction.

The Segura study uses a pretty restricted population of controls since they're trying to reduce the variables. It definitely shows that some procedures can result in elevated metabolites. The problem is that it doesn't look at levels across populations. Looking at some of the population studies the 90th percentile levels can be quite high.
 
Science already determined he did dope
Money & Politics can determine he's cleared of any wrong doing & resume riding--and even go further & blame the German lab of "mishandling" the samples...
after all Armstrong did it-so why can't AC do it too?
 
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JMBeaushrimp said:
I sort of lost the plot with the varied sample sizes and temporal testing protocols. The mere fact that these metabolites are in existence in his urine means something, right?

Would there be any other means that would introduce DEHP into his system apart from bagged blood?

Merckx index said:
This study thus not only demonstrates that very high levels of DEHP can be detected in some non-transfused subjects, but that levels can show sudden spikes over time.

According to danish toxicologist Peter Hammer everybody contains phthalates at some level.

The existence of these metabolites in his urine only means that these metabolites are in his urine. DEHP is everywhere and you wouldn't be able to infer what source he's been exposed to.
 
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martial saugy, the lausanne lab director, in his recent interview said the technical case against contador is ‘special’. according to the paper, almost all contador samples involved in the case were examined by the lausanne lab.

saugy outlined 3 hypothesis that make the case special and probably the reason for wada-uci consultations…sounds simplistic as we've heard this before, but this chap should know his stuff.

(i) doubtful that clen benefits performance in the amounts found.
(ii) quote: ‘while use of clen is banned in eu, cheating happens not only in sport’
(iii) he does not consider the blood transfusion theory more likely than the meat contamination theory. quote: ‘not clear’. ‘science can not tell with certainty if the plasticizers originated in a blood bag or in food packaging’.
(sounds like saugy who helped the uci with many tests have read the studies referenced here long ago).
he feels that blood passport value in this case is inconclusive because ‘athletes profiles can be chaotic due to many factors’ (again, recall his lab developed the uci passport)
 
great detailed post and conclusions - an obvious question, that I may have missed in previous threads:

Are the containers used to collect urine and blood samples DEHP neutral or could residence times in the collection vessels result in elevated values?

I think Python posted a pretty exhaustive list of DEHP sources in a previous post and thread?
 
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TubularBills said:
great detailed post and conclusions - an obvious question, that I may have missed in previous threads:

Are the containers used to collect urine and blood samples DEHP neutral or could residence times in the collection vessels result in elevated values?

I think Python posted a pretty exhaustive list of DEHP sources in a previous post and thread?

i don't think the urine collection containers contain dehp but i will check it out and get back to you. th reason i doubt the collection plastic in of itself contain dehp is that they are rigid in form by design and don't have to be pliable - the main reason dehp is added to pvc based bags. but, they are wrapped in sealing plastics that may very well contain dehp.
 
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python said:
martial saugy, the lausanne lab director, in his recent interview said the technical case against contador is ‘special’. according to the paper, almost all contador samples involved in the case were examined by the lausanne lab.

saugy outlined 3 hypothesis that make the case special and probably the reason for wada-uci consultations…sounds simplistic as we've heard this before, but this chap should know his stuff.

(i) doubtful that clen benefits performance in the amounts found.
(ii) quote: ‘while use of clen is banned in eu, cheating happens not only in sport’
(iii) he does not consider the blood transfusion theory more likely than the meat contamination theory. quote: ‘not clear’. ‘science can not tell with certainty if the plasticizers originated in a blood bag or in food packaging’.
(sounds like saugy who helped the uci with many tests have read the studies referenced here long ago).
he feels that blood passport value in this case is inconclusive because ‘athletes profiles can be chaotic due to many factors’ (again, recall his lab developed the uci passport)

Saugy goes on to say that ruling out the possibility that Elvis is still alive, is too difficult. It seems unlikely that he was spotted at a craps table in Reno with an appropriately aged Marilyn Monroe, but this is certainly possible.
 
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scribe said:
Saugy goes on to say that ruling out the possibility that Elvis is still alive, is too difficult. It seems unlikely that he was spotted at a craps table in Reno with an appropriately aged Marilyn Monroe, but this is certainly possible.

if you have nothing constructive to add to a serious thread you should keep that deranged sense of humour to yourself.
 
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TubularBills said:
great detailed post and conclusions - an obvious question, that I may have missed in previous threads:

Are the containers used to collect urine and blood samples DEHP neutral or could residence times in the collection vessels result in elevated values?

I think Python posted a pretty exhaustive list of DEHP sources in a previous post and thread?

segura: Samples were collected in polypropylene bottles (free of DEHP)
 
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The question is not whether Contador is innocent, it is whether he has been legitimately caught.
 
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Paco_P said:
The question is not whether Contador is innocent, it is whether he has been legitimately caught.
No. The OP (nice post btw) shows that the evidence about DEHP in Bertie's sample may (do please note the italics) not be as conclusive as has been assumed and that this will very likely lead to difficulties in prosecuting the case. Sure, we Clinicians 'know' that Bertie is dirty (because we are armchair experts and he's a pro cyclist, therefore lying by default) but the science is what determines if he is actually guilty or not and in the case of the DEHP levels, the science may not clear cut.

But keep building that witch burning bonfire, I'm sure we'll find a use for it in due course.
 
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Paco_P said:
The question is not whether Contador is innocent, it is whether he has been legitimately caught.[/QUO

that is it exactly. i would think there would be obvious differences in the levels and speed at which the plasticizers are metabolized if eaten or injected.
 
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Chuffy said:
No. The OP (nice post btw) shows that the evidence about DEHP in Bertie's sample may (do please note the italics) not be as conclusive as has been assumed and that this will very likely lead to difficulties in prosecuting the case. Sure, we Clinicians 'know' that Bertie is dirty (because we are armchair experts and he's a pro cyclist, therefore lying by default) but the science is what determines if he is actually guilty or not and in the case of the DEHP levels, the science may not clear cut.

But keep building that witch burning bonfire, I'm sure we'll find a use for it in due course.

No person with common sense and a bit of contact with cycling thinks that Contador has not put all sorts of substances in his body - the question here is whether some less than top tier laboratories using some tests approved by quasi-scientific agencies affiliated with sports authorities have really established that Contador has ingested a specific substance. I agree that he shouldn't be sanctioned on the basis of bad science; that doesn't change that he has surely doped. Evidence that Contador is guilty of taking clenbuterol abounds - and most of it comes from his own mouth. Let me explain.

He has not denied that there was clenbuterol in his system. Instead, he has offered a psychologically astute but scientifically and practically ridiculous explanation for how it got there. Let me explain this point. First, in the document instances of clenbuterol poisoning in Spain, those poisoned had eaten specifically veal liver (see the abstract for http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7610227) - there is no evidence I can find that enough clenbuterol could accumulate in a tenderloin to poison the eater of the tenderloin, without having first killed the cow - Moreover, the administration of clenbuterol to cows in Spain is now prohibited, and there are no documented cases of clenbuterol intoxication of cows in northern Spain in more than 10 years. All this is to say that Contador's claim to have been intoxicated by eating a beef tenderloin is on face ridiculous. So why does he make it? Various reasons - 1. he knows Spaniards remember the clenbuterol poisoning incidents from the mid 1990s and won't look into the scientific details - so it makes his defense plausible. 2. he (or perhaps his brother) knows British and Americans think Spaniards are lying cheaters, but also are inclined to believe that Spanish meat is contaminated - so it makes his defense plausible to them too. 3. His story about eating good Spanish beef on a rest day is psychologically appealing to Spaniards, who mostly think Spanish food is the best there is, even if it is ridiculous in practical terms. He's seen other champions - Delgado, Armstrong, etc. - get away with it - and he's doing what they all do - deny and blame. Lay all this on top of a context in which almost all of the people he is beating are at least accused of some form of doping, and it becomes simply naive to take at face value anything he says. It defies common sense.