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I haven't seen an article like this for a while..

badboygolf16v said:

You nailed it.

I remember when Bugno suddenly got better because he found he was lactose intolerant and had some sort of ear related dizziness problem. Chiappucci became a great when he decided train and race more days of the year. Indurain lost a few kilos. Armstrong upped his cadence. Everyone has an excuse as to why they suddenly got much much better in the middle of their career.

With CVV's history I do not trust him. He rode for "Venga Venga Venga" Saiz and he rode for The Hog and he rode for Mr. 60%. And he got even better after leaving them. Uh-huh.
 
badboygolf16v said:

Sounds to me more like Garmin's training & health guru, who Velonews seems to publish an article on every other month (Yet whose name escapes me. Is it Kim?), has just been filling his head with nonesense.

Lol. Gluten.

(Of course, there's also the very real possibility that this comment was made to mystery woman while she was discussing the relative merits of gluten w/ CVV and, in order to stress the point, he attributed a great amount of success to cutting back on them, and then she mentioned it in a dinner interview with someone while they were trying to decide over bruscheta or soup as a starter [in support of the latter] and it was added as an innocuous, atmosphere creating detail to the article which was then parsed down to this one almost accidental quote in order to conject that CVV was probably doping at last year's Tour. Or he could be doping, I dunno.)
 
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badboygolf16v said:

i actually found that a very interesting article... and very informative, and in many areas very accurate...

not hard to work out that rice v pasta is a no contest..
 
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BroDeal said:
You nailed it.

I remember when Bugno suddenly got better because he found he was lactose intolerant and had some sort of ear related dizziness problem. Chiappucci became a great when he decided train and race more days of the year. Indurain lost a few kilos. Armstrong upped his cadence. Everyone has an excuse as to why they suddenly got much much better in the middle of their career.

and ullrich joined weighwatchers.. and then won the tour.. :D
 
badboygolf16v said:
These were the kind of smoke screen excuses that used to get rolled out back in the days when medicine ruled... Anyone a little sceptical of CVV?

Yes, and no.

I'm moderately sensitive to gluten. I can eat some of it, but if I eat a lot, I'll end up with digestive issues, no matter how much exercise I get. And I don't have blood sugar problems, nor does diabetes run in my family.

However, some of the unreal claims seem really...well unreal. I think BroDeal pretty much nailed my skepticism. These kinds of stories have been abound forever. Bugno was actually fairly good before his wheat deal, but that's a prefect example. He went from pretty good, to double world champion and Giro winner when EPO arrived. Tony Rominger went from pretty good to nearly knocking off Indurain in the 1993 Tour after he was treated for his "allergies" (though he did actually do extreme altitude training in June of that year). There's all kinds of stories like this. Sports psychologists, etc. Remember Lance's excuse after being caught visiting Dr. Ferrari? He was training for the Hour Record (something he never even brought up again).

CVV may be on a cleaner team, but look at the guy's past as BroDeal notes. CVV did point something out though, he said last year the speed on the climbs was slower than in 2007, and that year was slightly slower than previous years. Times reflect that. But still, it's slight. We're not talking about going back to as "slow" as guys like Herrera, Delgado, or Robert Millar climbed.
 
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BroDeal said:
Everyone has an excuse as to why they suddenly got much much better in the middle of their career.

I always wondered why ONCE abandoned their secret Russian weight training system for blood doping and EPO. It got great results, and it was legal.

Could it have been an excuse...?
 
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badboygolf16v said:

If they guy had been diagnosed with Coeliac disease and had switched to a gluten free diet, I would be totally prepared to believe it...but this, I'm reluctant to ascribe massive benefits to eating a low gluten diet - maybe it's just a better diet in general, but I doubt it has that much to do with the gluten.
 
badboygolf16v said:

Armstrong once said that "Cancer" gave him the ultimate body since he lost so much weight and unwanted muscle mass- but going back to the records- he only lost 6 pounds between 92 & 99 and gained some after 2000..... & yes - the 35% efficiency gain on pedaling by the so called "High Cadence" .. LOL
 
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If Christian is on a program and found out about, I will give up biking.

Ok, I will give up a bike.

Probably the TT bike, ya know,

Because I barely use it and suck at it anyhow.

But that would really suck.

Haven't I been punished enough with Tyler and Floyd?
 
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"If Christian is on a program and found out about, I will give up biking."


Christian IS on a program and he has been for a looong time bro... A clean rider would have not been near the top in that 2008 Tour, if they finished at all! You see alteast 10 guys came into that Tour blood doping with their own blood and had been for several months... and some were busted for epo to stimulate rectics (the Cera positives.)

With so many guys either blood doping or on HGH, Insulin, etc a clean rider would have been way behind if they finished at all... let alone finish 4th! Christian could have been fairly clean, but not totally. We will never know and garmin is not being honest for SURE.

They are liars. If they wanted to prove their clean why not have Coggan and Vaughter's buddy Lemond test Christian's power from week to week and do total body hemoglobin testing?!

Past freaks from up till 1990 could hit 5.7 watts per kilo without dope or on minimal dope... I HIGHLY doubt Christian is a freak or is a potential 5 time Tour winner + world champion even heavily doped bro... And he had 5.7 at the least and those power files of his could have been undercalibrated deliberately...

Cheers, dont quit the sport! Just dont watch it if you cant watch it...
 
bvfrompc said:
If Christian is on a program and found out about, I will give up biking.

Don't ever let what some random pro does or does not do ruin your own enjoyment of the sport. I let it happen to me as well back in 2006 when Landis was the straw that broke the camel's back for me and I quit racing for a while and lost all motivation. Yeah it's disheartening when you find out guys you admired were frauds, but at the end of the day ride for your own health and fitness and enjoyment and let the idiots who want to play with needles suffer the consequences alone.
 
Festina did that for me.

I harbor no illusions that Garmin is an entirely clean team. Some riders probably are. But all? Sorry. But that doesn't keep me from watching with some blinders on. I'm able to do that because I continually rail against doping, and support those that do as well (like Lemond) and try to educate those around me about the sport. It's a long war, but fight the good fight and you'll see there's a lot left to love.

BB is right. Until we have blood/hemoglobin volume, wattage and testesterone profiling long-term, there will be doping.

I don't want to trash Vaughters, I think he means well, but internal doping programs mean almost nothing. Physicians have not blinked at helping riders in such programs (Fuentes-Basso) and it's easy to defeat. I'd even say I strongly suspect that Damsgaard's program for Astana (and Saxo) is to help keep Astana riders from testing positive in controls.
 
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There must be something in this. I remember doing this timetrial and averaged about 40km'h. One night I ate 21 pieces of Pizza Hut Pizza (competition at an all you can eat place). Really bloated myself. The next day I was flat out averaging 30km'h. It just zapped my strength and energy. Perhaps I was dehydrated, but didn't feel thirsty. Just zapped all my energy. I tested this a number of times (on less pieces of pizza) with the same result?? It's not like I gained 10kg or anything.

Put it this way, I gave it up as a pre race food. No wonder I always felt weaker come race day. (I was only 18yrs old at the time).
 
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Indurain said:
There must be something in this. I remember doing this timetrial and averaged about 40km'h. One night I ate 21 pieces of Pizza Hut Pizza (competition at an all you can eat place). Really bloated myself. The next day I was flat out averaging 30km'h. It just zapped my strength and energy. Perhaps I was dehydrated, but didn't feel thirsty. Just zapped all my energy. I tested this a number of times (on less pieces of pizza) with the same result?? It's not like I gained 10kg or anything.
I don't know specifically about Pizza Hut, but there is pizza and pizza.

I know every time I eat a home baked pizza - I let the dough rise and the yeast work for a couple of hours only - next day I feel heavy and like crap. Good pizzerias instead leave it rise a full day or more, and it should be an easily digestible food - the secret being those many, many hours of yeast working, so I heard.
 
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Continuing the pizza discussion, I just stumbled into an article by... Dr. Michele Ferrari himself.

Want to lower your hemoglobin numbers overnight? Eat pizza! Check out his article (at the bottom - you may need to switch to English first).