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proffate said:
Exactly. Froome said he wanted more testing at one spesific place. Vos says she wants the testing to be less predictable. Not the same.
Also Froome wanted more testing on Teide to be able to say yes when journalists asks if he was tested there, and he said that more testing should be done to prove he is clean. Vos says more testing should be done to detere riders from doping. Not the same.
proffate said:
I think you’re quibbling. Froome mentioned one place as an example. Obviously he didn’t mean, just test us at that one place, and that one place only. He said, "If we're not getting tested, that doesn't look good on any of us,” which is equivalent to saying, if we’re not tested a lot OOC, we won’t get caught.
But the real point I’m trying to make here is that what any rider says should mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING regarding guilt or innocence. People who analyze what riders say and try to glean from their words whether they are likely or not to be doping are playing a fool’s game. It’s like trying to read tea leaves. Dopers can sound very legit, and clean riders can sound suspicious as hell. Not long ago, LA was inviting the authorities to test his old, stored samples.
I have no idea whether Vos is clean or not, and what she says doesn’t change me more or less certain one way or the other in the slightest. People who follow my posts here will know I’m very suspicious of Froome, but not because of what he says (except when he contradicts himself or refuses to provide useful data), but because of his sudden transformation.
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Vos and team mates cheating....
Min 38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=tw&v=PRskFaxzZiY
Vos and company repeatedly obstruct Abbott's efforts to attack at GiroRosa2014.
some twitter comments
https://twitter.com/dwuori/status/489026615972597760/photo/1
Min 38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=tw&v=PRskFaxzZiY
Vos and company repeatedly obstruct Abbott's efforts to attack at GiroRosa2014.
some twitter comments
https://twitter.com/dwuori/status/489026615972597760/photo/1
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I'd say it's not cheating, but it's also clearly not very sporting and rightly being frowned upon. Much as I like her, Ferrand-Prévot has shown a bit of a propensity for blocking lately - Jolanda Neff had a bit of a scrap with her after feeling she got cut off in a sprint in an MTB World Cup race a couple of months ago. The two girls doing the blocking were 2nd and 3rd in the GC with Abbott a direct threat to them though, so they did have personal reason to box Mara in.
Despite my posts on the PRR forum I'm not actually a huge fan of Vos, but that's due to how dominant she is and wanting a bit more variety. And I do freely admit that my opinions on this may be a bit biased given that I like PFP and van der Breggen more than either Abbott or Vos, and more so that the blocking meant Emma Pooley got the mountaintop stage win, and I'm a big fan of her.
Despite my posts on the PRR forum I'm not actually a huge fan of Vos, but that's due to how dominant she is and wanting a bit more variety. And I do freely admit that my opinions on this may be a bit biased given that I like PFP and van der Breggen more than either Abbott or Vos, and more so that the blocking meant Emma Pooley got the mountaintop stage win, and I'm a big fan of her.
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Benotti69 said:
I did say it's not sporting and they deserve the flak they get for it. Outnumbering Abbott by 3 to 1 in the group I'm surprised they didn't do the rolling roadblock on her rather than leave her enough of an opportunity that they had to make it that blatant. Boxing her in could have been done more effectively than that and would have been similarly unsporting but less obvious.
I wish Rabo weren't as strong as they were. PFP lost that Giro on bonus seconds and looked stronger than Vos on the climbs, if she and Anna van der Breggen weren't riding to defend Vos' lead, Abbott would have been able to attack and the stage would have been a lot more dramatic.
But then Mara might have beaten Emma, and I wouldn't have wanted that.
- Dec 7, 2010
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Libertine Seguros said:
It's interesting that the presence of the TV camera had zero deterrent on their actions. One would think it might under such circumstances.
Not good
Watched that from 34 min to the end. In the period 34 to 40 min the camera was mainly on Pooley. When we did go back to the 4, there were repeated instances of Rabo blocking in an unacceptable manner.
Only times I ever saw that was Junior racing, a couple of weird 3rd cat races (there wasn't a 4th category at the time) and one other occasion. None of the Coms ever did anything about it but then they were completely useless people, not up to stepping in as they very definitely should have.
That was shocking. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Right to post up here. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a ducks and lays duck eggs, we have seen before, it most likely is a duck. I will always argue, Lance was a symptom, if it wasn't Lance it would be someone else just like him. He happened because he bumped into Chris Carmichael doping the Juniors at the USA junior team, then the UCI lied over the TUE in 1999 and the whole peloton kept the Omerta and told the World we were in a new clean era. It was a corrupt system that rewarded corruptness. Virtually no-one who was clean could exist within it. Clean, honest people, would, in the main walk away. The whole profile splits between those who want to win and those who will do whatever it takes to win.
That was hellish ugly. It is easy to understand that those three girls could do whatever it takes to win.
If Leontin van Morsel was out of an inter-generational pro-cycling family steeped in the ways of the peloton and only a blind imbecile could imagine that she rode clean, what is the story on Vos? I always get worried when I see these stars who have trophy rooms in their houses, never a good sign.
Lance posting his tweet from the couch was just so funny because he had no idea how many of his loyal fans he destroyed with that one picture.
Watched that from 34 min to the end. In the period 34 to 40 min the camera was mainly on Pooley. When we did go back to the 4, there were repeated instances of Rabo blocking in an unacceptable manner.
Only times I ever saw that was Junior racing, a couple of weird 3rd cat races (there wasn't a 4th category at the time) and one other occasion. None of the Coms ever did anything about it but then they were completely useless people, not up to stepping in as they very definitely should have.
That was shocking. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Right to post up here. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a ducks and lays duck eggs, we have seen before, it most likely is a duck. I will always argue, Lance was a symptom, if it wasn't Lance it would be someone else just like him. He happened because he bumped into Chris Carmichael doping the Juniors at the USA junior team, then the UCI lied over the TUE in 1999 and the whole peloton kept the Omerta and told the World we were in a new clean era. It was a corrupt system that rewarded corruptness. Virtually no-one who was clean could exist within it. Clean, honest people, would, in the main walk away. The whole profile splits between those who want to win and those who will do whatever it takes to win.
That was hellish ugly. It is easy to understand that those three girls could do whatever it takes to win.
If Leontin van Morsel was out of an inter-generational pro-cycling family steeped in the ways of the peloton and only a blind imbecile could imagine that she rode clean, what is the story on Vos? I always get worried when I see these stars who have trophy rooms in their houses, never a good sign.
Lance posting his tweet from the couch was just so funny because he had no idea how many of his loyal fans he destroyed with that one picture.
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Netserk said:
Per UCI rules (this in section 12 which defines the penalties for "race incidents"):
12. Wilful obstruction of a rider or a team car
[...]
12.2 Stage Race
50 and 10“
50 + elimination on 2nd offence;
For offence during last km of stage:
100, 30“ and relegation to end of stage
for offence in last stage and for offence against
one of the 1st 10 riders placed:
200 + elimination 100 + elimination
Other licence-holder: 200
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ulrichw said:
Revolting behaviour. How you can be proud of a victory that involved crap like that is beyond me.
Lefevere has been watching this with great interest. I heard next year OPQS will enter the tour with just Martin and an assortment of linebackers. That should prevent any annoying attacks in the mountains. Awesome.
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Benotti69 said:
That's awful. Very dirty tactics, negative racing. Unsportsmanlike at best, dangerous at worst.
Benotti69 said:
Wow, pathetic tactics from such "great" riders.
Much, much worse than wheelsucking.
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I saw someone on twitter saying that's just like match sprinters on the track, but the difference there is once you're in the sprinter's lane, for the sprint, you have to go around - you can't drop in on someone.
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Like someone else stated, the cameras left them for about a minute - so makes you wonder what else went on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=tw&v=PRskFaxzZiY
its at 38.30 mins
and then at 41 mins....42.30 and 43.30mins
Like someone else stated, the cameras left them for about a minute - so makes you wonder what else went on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=tw&v=PRskFaxzZiY
its at 38.30 mins
and then at 41 mins....42.30 and 43.30mins
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Seems like Pooley sees it as no big deal as well:
Purely disgusting behavior to me. The women's biggest stage race and that's the kind of cr*p that goes on? Pffft. What a joke. Very poor sporting display. Emma "earned" a hollow victory.
Purely disgusting behavior to me. The women's biggest stage race and that's the kind of cr*p that goes on? Pffft. What a joke. Very poor sporting display. Emma "earned" a hollow victory.
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Fatclimber said:
It's not the first stage where Pooley described her "attack" as "just riding away". Do kinda wonder if it happened on other stages as well - seems quite likely.
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Dear Wiggo said:
Any evidence of frustration by Mara? Seems too polite to go off on anybody. Nothing by her on twitter.
It's a shame if this is an accepted racing tactic. Good luck gaining viewership for women's cycling.
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