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Is landis getting quality help ? WhoÂ’s on his team ?

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Is landis getting quality help ? Who’s on his team ?

recalling landis’s wiki defence i cant stop thinking what a nutjob that team was.

true, characters like will geohegan and arnie baker were loyal friends but boy i’d never want to be associated with those creeps.

i recon rebuilding his credibility and having common folks take his words seriously would largely depend on having good assistants..

Who can landis rely on?

reading his emails, leaves an impression that someone helped writing them. smooth, balanced phrasing intertwined with loaded context is not floyd’s style.

also, it was pretty clear his message (at least) was coordinated with if not directly instigated by dr. kay.

landis is broke, few quality lawyers or technicians will work for free. he’s got no means to hire a pr/spokesperson, no way to defend himself if dragged to court…

who besides dr. kay ?
 
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Hillavoider said:
WADA should be springing for everything before lance does and shuts him up
wada, usada, fda and other regulating and official agencies are not in a position to 'help' floyd. they can only suck info out of him for their own benefit.

he needs a fully functional multi purpose team to help him to drive home his message and defend against armstrongs lawyers who no question can destroy him.

is greg in the loop ?
 
python said:
wada, usada, fda and other regulating and official agencies are not in a position to 'help' floyd. they can only suck info out of him for their own benefit.

he needs a fully functional multi purpose team to help him to drive home his message and defend against armstrongs lawyers who no question can destroy him.

is greg in the loop ?

WADA could help quite a bit if they passed a rule that would allow amnesty for athletes who come forward of their own volition and give helpful information. It would provide an incentive for those who would like to come clean and support Landis.
 

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Pantani_lives said:
I read that Lemond, Frank & Betsy Andreu and LA's ex Kristen want to help Landis.
Ok, I have to ask where did you get that info from - I cannot imagine Kristin helping FL in any way.


I have seen one report where Betsy managed to track down Floyds number and sent an SMS to him, saying thanks and asking was he ok - it was the first time she ever had been in touch with him.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Ok, I have to ask where did you get that info from - I cannot imagine Kristin helping FL in any way.


I have seen one report where Betsy managed to track down Floyds number and sent an SMS to him, saying thanks and asking was he ok - it was the first time she ever had been in touch with him.

Mentioned here:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4283/Armstrongs-ex-wife-reportedly-cooperating-with-doping-investigation.aspx

I can't find any mention beyond that. I am failing at google.
 
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I guess you should look at who was in his tent with him at the ToC. All I know is that it was a Ouch tent with Dr. Kay. But there must be more info out there!
 
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python said:
wada, usada, fda and other regulating and official agencies are not in a position to 'help' floyd. they can only suck info out of him for their own benefit.

he needs a fully functional multi purpose team to help him to drive home his message and defend against armstrongs lawyers who no question can destroy him.

is greg in the loop ?

Interesting question. I also get the impression there are some behind the scenes connections, possibly involving more than one case. I would be surprised if it's Greg though. I'm just guessing, but I can't imagine Greg would be to happy to support him until he was absolutely sure Landis was going to do the deed, i.e. until Landis had done it.....
 

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python said:
wada, usada, fda and other regulating and official agencies are not in a position to 'help' floyd. they can only suck info out of him for their own benefit.

he needs a fully functional multi purpose team to help him to drive home his message and defend against armstrongs lawyers who no question can destroy him.

is greg in the loop ?

I am not really understanding your point - what quality help does he need?

As you point out he has been in contact with USADA, its their investigation now - Floyd is a witness.

It would be in their interest if they are getting information from him to help him - so i would assume they will help him to some extent.

What message is needed to be driven home? He just tells his story to USADA - it is the people that he accuses who need to get the lawyers & PR people.
 

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Dr. Maserati said:
Ok, I have to ask where did you get that info from - I cannot imagine Kristin helping FL in any way.


I have seen one report where Betsy managed to track down Floyds number and sent an SMS to him, saying thanks and asking was he ok - it was the first time she ever had been in touch with him.

I agree, no way in the world would she help Landis. There is just so much idle speculation going on. Co-operation is confused with confession, un-named riders are willing to come forward, lets see the testimony. It's just all hearsay and fluff at the moment.

Journo's love this sort of stuff, all innuendo and what ifs
 
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I Watch Cycling In July said:
Interesting question. I also get the impression there are some behind the scenes connections, possibly involving more than one case
Messick already hinted when asked about the emails - there were other people who negotiated and made phone calls on Landis’s behalf. we can only speculate who they are.
I Watch Cycling In July said:
I would be surprised if it's Greg though. I'm just guessing
In that infamous telephone conversation (when greg shared his sexual abuse secret) greg was one of the first people who urged floyd to come clean. It did not work then. i would not be surprised if the reconciliation between the two took place a bit earlier than it became public. hence, greg might - and it is my pure speculation - be acting in some helpful role. I don’t know perhaps using gregs extensive connections and solid reputation - it could be anything from helping with reaching out to those who are considering to come clean to moral support to legal advice (in case it will be required)

I Watch Cycling In July said:
but I can't imagine Greg would be to happy to support him until he was absolutely sure Landis was going to do the deed, i.e. until Landis had done it.....
right. greg is too smart to get involved without evaluating the outcome.
 
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python said:
i would not be surprised if the reconciliation between the two took place a bit earlier than it became public. hence, greg might - and it is my pure speculation - be acting in some helpful role. I don’t know perhaps using gregs extensive connections and solid reputation - it could be anything from helping with reaching out to those who are considering to come clean to moral support to legal advice (in case it will be required)

http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=5855

cyclismag reports that from now on flandis will be represented by jamie diboise, a legal council to greg lemond in two cases - flandis vs. usada and lemond vs. trek.

http://www.cyclismag.com learned from a source close to the triple winner of the tour de france’
 

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Maybe Floyd should go to his new found FanBase and ask for donations to help fund his need for lawyers and experts?

I bet there are many on the Forum who would donate some moola:)

He could call it the Floyd Defense Fund? Catchy.
 
python said:
http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=5855

cyclismag reports that from now on flandis will be represented by jamie diboise, a legal council to greg lemond in two cases - flandis vs. usada and lemond vs. trek.

http://www.cyclismag.com learned from a source close to the triple winner of the tour de france’

I looks like Lemond is now fully behind Floyd. First of all I think this is a clear statement on the quality of person Greg Lemond is, that immediately he reached out to Floyd and offered him support while holding no grudges against him. Second, it appears that Floyd has really left the disgraceful past behind and is on his way to becoming the type of person his supporters held him up to be - and to this I say good for you Floyd.
 
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python said:
http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=5855

cyclismag reports that from now on flandis will be represented by jamie diboise, a legal council to greg lemond in two cases - flandis vs. usada and lemond vs. trek.

http://www.cyclismag.com learned from a source close to the triple winner of the tour de france’

Just stating the obvious - this means that LeMond is involved and is picking up the tab for legal counsel. Not surprising that Landis and LeMond would join forces?
 
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Tubeless said:
Just stating the obvious - this means that LeMond is involved and is picking up the tab for legal counsel. Not surprising that Landis and LeMond would join forces?

don't know if it was obvious but yeah it was hardly surprising when I started the tread with the idea.

having greg in flandis’s camp is not a very good news for taxas.

a seasoned smart uncompromising fighter with substantial resources and the right message is badly need to stop the cancer armstrong is to cycling.
 

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don't know if it was obvious but yeah it was hardly surprising when I started the tread with the idea.

having greg in flandis’s camp is not a very good news for taxas.

a seasoned smart uncompromising fighter with substantial resources and the right message is badly need to stop the cancer armstrong is to cycling.

And the good part is there will not be the temptation to settle Out of Court for "Big" Bucks this time.

Can go for the jugular:)
 
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if texas wants to defend his honour and go for the jugular he should sue both flandis and greg as both granted him his 'luxembourg wish' and called him to his face a doper.
 

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python said:
if texas wants to defend his honour and go for the jugular he should sue both flandis and greg as both granted him his 'luxembourg wish' and called him to his face a doper.

I thought Floyd sent a e-mail and Greg did not face Lance in court?

But I understand your point.

And Lance will try do to Floyd/Greg/Greg'sLawyers what he would have done to the Luxembourg Fan....stare at him and try to turn the crowd against him.

GRRRRR. SSDD.
But who ever said the SS was not true?
And it IS a DD.
 
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Tubeless said:
Just stating the obvious - this means that LeMond is involved and is picking up the tab for legal counsel. Not surprising that Landis and LeMond would join forces?

Greg is not involved and is not picking up the tab. Wilson Sonsini is one of the best firms out there and Diboise knows the Armstrong legal team's tactics better then anyone. It is a smart choice for Landis.

The reality is this is moving rapidly from "Landis vs. Armstrong" to "Armstrong vs. USDA/USADA/IRS" Even Lance is not stupid enough to go after Greg or Floyd, that can only end bad for him
 

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python said:
http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=5855

cyclismag reports that from now on flandis will be represented by jamie diboise, a legal council to greg lemond in two cases - flandis vs. usada and lemond vs. trek.

http://www.cyclismag.com learned from a source close to the triple winner of the tour de france’
Really small point of order - but it puts a question mark over the 'cyclismag' claim that it has a source close to GL.

James Di Boise was not Lemonds attorney in the 'USADA v Landis' case, he was represented by Bruce Manning/Chris Madel .
They were also involved at the start of the Trek case but were replaced by James Di Boise who appears a lot more determined than GL's previous counsel.
 
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I is my hope that if Landis tosses crap in every direction, that when some of his claims can't be proven in court that each soiled cyclist will sue Floyd. I hope that as in all of Landis's bouts with depression and failure this one will be final. I would hope that the American court system will make sure that they take so much money from Floyd that his grandchildren are denied milk at school. When he had his Bahati press roll out and continued to claim innocence and role model status he should be punished separately for that. I hope that Bahati can show damages from his association with cycling's black hole and get in line to prison drill Floyd.
 

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