Is Roglic past his prime?

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Is Roglic past his prime?


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Roglic should try to super-peak like G Thomas has done in recent years for Giro or a 5th Vuelta win.

Suisse and Vuelta would be the best to target. Try to win both or one of them.

Probably do Catalunya and Romandie as well, that both suits him.

I think it would be a mistake to send him with Lipo and Remco as a type of co-leadership or super-dom. That just aint gonna work. Nor would I want to see him ride like in the last Tour again. He is better off calling it then after having great career, then ride on for too long.
 
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No clue how you can be considered the 5th best rider in the world after this season. Extremely mediocre throughout the whole season outside of Catalunya, a race that nobody really targets or peaks for.

More like around 10th at this point
If you are talking about the 2025 season specifically, he is nowhere near 10th best rider. Pogacar, Vingegaard, Evenepoel, Del Toro, Van der Poel, Almeida, Onley, Pidcock, Pedersen, McNulty, Merlier, Milan, De Lie, Healy, Lipowitz...
As a simple reference, PCS has him at 35th for 2025.

If you want to assess and extrapolate the level he was able to reach, then i'd say he might still be top 10. Maybe.

I'd rather have Rogla as team captain than Pedersen.
You mean as a leader going to a certain race to get a result, or as a road captain who tells the team what to do at what point in the race? If the former, i would say that very much depends on type of the race, if the latter i would say drugs are bad.
 
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Semantics. My autistic brain goes nuts when people use a word wrong or exaggerates.

First; is the whole peleton better than when Roglič was at his peak? Guys who has retierd has said the peleton is so much faster the last years. Even Patrick Broe said when commenting on a stage in a race this summer (possibly vuelta but probably earlier) that today's stage was like "before covid". And he's an effing DS, apart from constantly counting numbers on LR.

Bernal has always said he still does the same numbers as before his crash. He beat Roglič today but not with a second. Roglic used to be a bit better than Bernal.

So I'd say Roglič has declined a lot less than it seems. It's the others simply have come past him. And that is not the same thing.

Because of this and crashes he has lost motivation, cause there's no use even trying anymore. The others has become too good.
 
Semantics. My autistic brain goes nuts when people use a word wrong or exaggerates.

First; is the whole peleton better than when Roglič was at his peak? Guys who has retierd has said the peleton is so much faster the last years. Even Patrick Broe said when commenting on a stage in a race this summer (possibly vuelta but probably earlier) that today's stage was like "before covid". And he's an effing DS, apart from constantly counting numbers on LR.

Bernal has always said he still does the same numbers as before his crash. He beat Roglič today but not with a second. Roglic used to be a bit better than Bernal.

So I'd say Roglič has declined a lot less than it seems. It's the others simply have come past him. And that is not the same thing.

Because of this and crashes he has lost motivation, cause there's no use even trying anymore. The others has become too good.
He won the Vuelta in pretty dominant fashion just last year…
 
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I think Roglic is past his prime in the mental drive department mostly. Physically, he still has the ability to get close his best level, long if he' not at near-top level.
I think this is key. I very much agree about the mental drive.

I hope he keeps going way past his prime as hopefully he can't try to climb Everest then. We don't want him to crash on Everest 🥶
 
If you are talking about the 2025 season specifically, he is nowhere near 10th best rider. Pogacar, Vingegaard, Evenepoel, Del Toro, Van der Poel, Almeida, Onley, Pidcock, Pedersen, McNulty, Merlier, Milan, De Lie, Healy, Lipowitz...
As a simple reference, PCS has him at 35th for 2025.

If you want to assess and extrapolate the level he was able to reach, then i'd say he might still be top 10. Maybe.


You mean as a leader going to a certain race to get a result, or as a road captain who tells the team what to do at what point in the race? If the former, i would say that very much depends on type of the race, if the latter i would say drugs are bad.
No denying that this year has been a relative bust for Rog. Crashes, infection, illness, and a Giro-Tour double are not a great recipe for great results (although Pog could probably pull it off). But I have to take issue with the bolded. These aren’t his normal results, but the below is still top 10 IMO. Far from top 5, I agree, but still a solid 10 or so rider. Ceiling is still 3rd.

  • Catalunya GC win with 2 stage wins, including a dominant stage victory on classics style finale
  • 2nd in the first Giro ITT, just behind Tarling and ahead of Vine, Ayuso, Del Toro, and McNulty
  • 3rd on Peyragudes ITT, crushing Lipowitz, Jorgensen, Onley et al
  • 3rd strongest on Mont Ventoux
  • 8th overall after throwing away his 5th placement
  • 11th at Worlds despite showing up 36 hours prior, which was a terrible ide
  • 5th in Emilia
 
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He won the Vuelta in pretty dominant fashion just last year…
where are the people he beat this year? Apart from Lipowitz Gaudu? and Skjelmose? has the others been better than him this year?

I think being on antibiotics after a crash and being demotivated and being older is a combo that's just too much.

I also think he might have another vuelta in him.
 
where are the people he beat this year? Apart from Lipowitz Gaudu? and Skjelmose? has the others been better than him this year?

I think being on antibiotics after a crash and being demotivated and being older is a combo that's just too much.

I also think he might have another vuelta in him.
I was replying to the implication that he just couldn’t keep up post Covid.
 
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It’s a combination of all the factors above (except the 2018/19 one) but also a team factor, this year they are underperforming in almost every race with all the riders but Lipowitz and Pellizzari. Primoz is maybe 36 but Vlasov, Martínez, Van Gils, Pithie, Welsford, Fisher Black, Aleotti, Adrià, Lazkano, Tratnik are not (except Jan)… Just can't be a coincidence
 
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I was replying to the implication that he just couldn’t keep up post Covid.
Ah, I see! To my eyes it seems peleton is faster after covid but also faster after after covid? IE it's faster after 22/23 too?

Vuelta 24 was a somewhat lower level field I think? Lipowitz became good 25 as did Pidcock for example. Gaudu has very varying shape and Skjelmose primarily a one day racer/stage hunter.

But without the giro crashes and antibiotics maybe his shape wouldn't have been this bad. At least that's what I tend to think 🤔
 
No, he is still ok. That Giro crashes and illness were just terrible for him. He looked really good at Catalyuna, at Algarve Jonas couldn't distance himself from Roglic and first week in Giro he looked like strongest guy. On ITT (13km) he lost just one second against Tarling. For example he was terrible at ITT in TdF. There is no way that he forgot how to ride in 3 months. Also his results at WC RR and Emilia are much better than last year and i think he will finally have rest without crash,illness or burnout before season ending.
 
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