Is UAE Over the Top?

[danielovichdk2]

Like I have said elsewhere. Many times.

The UCI must make a few new rules.

They're extremely easy.

- Pre-race, at sign-in, each rider must be weighted.

- Post-race, each rider must be weighted again, and deliver and make public to UCI and doping-agencies their power-profile from their computer (this can be made tamper proof).

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

The guy thinks that the Shimano power meter isn't just a random number generator

 

[Low is rhe new high]

Maybe UAE is over the top for real ? Maybe they have taken things to far with Ayuso (2025), del Toro and Almeida. There performance dips can be overtraining and longterm negatives respons (tolerance? ) to whatever micro-dosing of drugs they are given. Same story as for Visma after their year of winning all GTs? La Porte, Kuss, Wout and the rest of the domestics that year has never reached the same level . After the growing of Van Hooydoncks heart its seems none of them is performing. UAE is probably desperate to get Sexias signature to replace their disposables, they are using Pogacar so sparsely to not have him burn out as well.

 

[Rico044]

Like I have said elsewhere. Many times.

The UCI must make a few new rules.

They're extremely easy.

- Pre-race, at sign-in, each rider must be weighted.

- Post-race, each rider must be weighted again, and deliver and make public to UCI and doping-agencies their power-profile from their computer (this can be made tamper proof).

What would the weigh in deliver as far as information?

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

What would the weigh in deliver as far as information?

I guess by knowing both the weight of the rider, the power profile from the crancks/pedals and the climbing times you could probably rule out any kind of mechanical assistance at least.

 

[Unchained]

I guess by knowing both the weight of the rider, the power profile from the crancks/pedals and the climbing times you could probably rule out any kind of mechanical assistance at least.

No it doesn't rule out mechanical doping. Races have to be monitored by a device and location, simple calculations give average watts per kilo but don't take into account if a rider was to get motor assistance either momentarily or only a climb or two, if you don't have a motor you don't have the possibility of " uphill recovery ".
Most (all) calculations done by internet hobbyists are done with no scientific data from the rider, no heart rate, no calories consumed, and actual power meter data from the rider's bike. Everything is just a rough estimate.

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

No it doesn't rule out mechanical doping. Races have to be monitored by a device and location, simple calculations give average watts per kilo but don't take into account if a rider was to get motor assistance either momentarily or only a climb or two, if you don't have a motor you don't have the possibility of " uphill recovery ".
Most (all) calculations done by internet hobbyists are done with no scientific data from the rider, no heart rate, no calories consumed, and actual power meter data from the rider's bike. Everything is just a rough estimate.

On the subject matter i'm agnostic, i was merely explaining what might be the thought process of danielovichdk2.

And yet those rough estimates rather closely matches when compared to available power meter data. Like with the biopassport some weird values might be explained by external factors, but if a pattern of discrepancies emerge this might actually kind of work for target testing in theory. I don't know if it would be doable or even desirable though. Why would heart rate/calories be relevant wrt climbing time anyway...

 

[danielovichdk2]

On the subject matter i'm agnostic, i was merely explaining what might be the thought process of danielovichdk2.

And yet those rough estimates rather closely matches when compared to available power meter data. Like with the biopassport some weird values might be explained by external factors, but if a pattern of discrepancies emerge this might actually kind of work for target testing in theory. I don't know if it would be doable or even desirable though. Why would heart rate/calories be relevant wrt climbing time anyway...

My idea is not a theory. It's merely an idea. But since I really do not like ideas to be based on lack of evidence, I think of it as a first step towards stopping the guesswork around power versus weight ratio, and actually having the facts straight.

That would mean we could come closer to calculating factual numbers.

Weight is important. Watts can be pushed only so much, with regards to physical boundaries - what is humanly possible, even in the most extrem cases.

So first, rider weight before and after races. And a tamper-proofed data-file from the riders computer.

Taking this further, I would like the equipment to undergo real-life and scientific experiments, and not just wind-tunnel or marketing-based heresay *** statements. I want to see rolling tests at the start of the year, on the same hill, same pavement, all riders, race equipment, and UCI riders do rolling tests on their rivals equipment too.

The story about how equipment is keeping the pace to rise might be true, but I want to see the evidence based on real riders in same conditions.

 

[danielovichdk2]

No it doesn't rule out mechanical doping. Races have to be monitored by a device and location, simple calculations give average watts per kilo but don't take into account if a rider was to get motor assistance either momentarily or only a climb or two, if you don't have a motor you don't have the possibility of " uphill recovery ".
Most (all) calculations done by internet hobbyists are done with no scientific data from the rider, no heart rate, no calories consumed, and actual power meter data from the rider's bike. Everything is just a rough estimate.

Exactly this!