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Zam_Olyas said:
............So and Irishman ( i think,could be english) and a dane walks into the clinic....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... and they involve thehog when he wasn't even involved in the discussion.

You think dead wrong, and I'll thank you not to make me out to be a liar on my own nationality again, thank you.
 
martinvickers said:
Ah. Given incisive is an adjective, not a noun, I couldn't see how it could be 'that'.

But fair dues to you for explaining.

Still not sure I see the Hedgehog reference. Nor to be honest, where the 'incisiveness' is missing.

I think you and I have a philosophical disagreement on amorality, as a distinct moral position. In this context I believe an amoral position on doping isn't coherent. But we can disagree cordially. If I have treated you discordially, I apologise.

Sceptic was being a (insert banned word here), and bringing YET AGAIN his own nationality fixations into conversations. No apologies are necessary to him.

What is the hedgehog doing Martin?

It seems to me like it's banging it's head on the ground.

It seems pretty clear to me what that's supposed to mean.
 

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The Hitch said:
He said he thinks you are Irish.

The comma could break the meaning of the phrase down in a number of ways, but fair enough, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and accept that's how he meant it. In which case, Sorry Z.

For the avoidance of doubt, be advised my passport's green.(well, not any more, but figuratively). No glass of ours was ever raised to toast The Queen.
 

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LaFlorecita said:
What is the hedgehog doing Martin?

It seems to me like it's banging it's head on the ground.

It seems pretty clear to me what that's supposed to mean.

Really, seemed to be curling into a ball to me - that being what hedgehogs rather notoriously do. But fauna aren't my speciality, to be fair.
 
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If you enjoyed the last few pages as much as I did I recommend screen capping them like I have as I guess there is a chance they may disappear into the ether.
 

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Cyivel said:
If you enjoyed the last few pages as much as I did I recommend screen capping them like I have as I guess there is a chance they may disappear into the ether.

I have the oddest feeling you might be right, there, Cyivel.
 

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ferryman said:
And once again the thread gets derailed by petty bickering. You all bored this evening? Go to the Pub or something.

Seriously, think please Gents. Next step is sanctions.

Fair enough, Captain. My abject and most humble apologies.
 
Zam_Olyas said:
............So and Irishman ( i think,could be english) and a dane walks into the clinic....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... and they involve thehog when he wasn't even involved in the discussion.

It's nice to know I'm thought of even when not around.

I'm too mature for such schoolyard antics ;)

Now I'm off to find some photo of Dawg falling of his bike and climbing sideways!

Oh and I need to find a photo of him riding a time trial in trainers! Yes, all true! Froomedawg wore sneakers in a Commneweath games time trial... must be true because David Walsh said so... :rolleyes:
 
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ferryman said:
And once again the thread gets derailed by petty bickering. You all bored this evening? Go to the Pub or something.

Seriously, think please Gents. Next step is sanctions.

Just ban vickers and the problem would be solved.
 
Cyivel said:
If you enjoyed the last few pages as much as I did I recommend screen capping them like I have as I guess there is a chance they may disappear into the ether.

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thehog said:
It's nice to know I'm thought of even when not around.

I'm too mature for such schoolyard antics ;)

Now I'm off to find some photo of Dawg falling of his bike and climbing sideways!

Oh and I need to find a photo of him riding a time trial in trainers! Yes, all true! Froomedawg wore sneakers in a Commneweath games time trial... must be true because David Walsh said so... :rolleyes:

Good man, Hog ;)
 

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The Hitch said:
The dicussion about whether it's immoral to support dopers, was getting interesting till the arguments over who's response meant what to the other post etc, began.

Can't disagree. Might it justify a new thread of its own?
 
What annoys me is the sky fans, who are mostly British, having a go because I think Sky are doping...this would be fine if they had an issue with me saying 'I think Nibali or Roman or Roche are doping' - I have mentioned them btw...so my point is that it's all about national bias...it's the blindspot people have when it comes to their own...they can dress it up as saying I love cycling and don't want to accuse a rider without evidence, but in reality all it is, is them saying accuse anyone else, we don't care, but accuse our heroes and we'll come after you.
 
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What annoys me is the sky fans, who are mostly British, having a go because I think Sky are doping...this would be fine if they had an issue with me saying 'I think Nibali or Roman or Roche are doping' - I have mentioned them btw...so my point is that it's all about national bias...it's the blindspot people have when it comes to their own...they can dress it up as saying I love cycling and don't want to accuse a rider without evidence, but in reality all it is, is them saying accuse anyone else, we don't care, but accuse our heroes and we'll come after you.

I think that's the least we expect is some evidence to justify suspicion and cynicism. I don't think you will find much discussion over Nibali and Kreuziger due to past links with Ferrari but I would be interested to know why you think Roche is though(and no, it's not because he's Irish, I would say the same if it was Pinot or Quintana). Statements have to be qualified irrespective of nationality. If Froome/Wiggins/Porte were found to be linked similarly with Ferrari or if they were still joined at the hip with Leinders on the sly, I think the discussion would be a lot more muted and a justified slam dunk for many.

That being said, Leinders is still the black mark against them.
 
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I think that's the least we expect is some evidence to justify suspicion and cynicism. I don't think you will find much discussion over Nibali and Kreuziger due to past links with Ferrari but I would be interested to know why you think Roche is though(and no, it's not because he's Irish, I would say the same if it was Pinot or Quintana). Statements have to be qualified irrespective of nationality. If Froome/Wiggins/Porte were found to be linked similarly with Ferrari or if they were still joined at the hip with Leinders on the sly, I think the discussion would be a lot more muted and a justified slam dunk for many.

That being said, Leinders is still the black mark against them.

While I completely agree with you that linking Sky to Ferrari would make it a slam dunk and limit the discussion, the idea that there is no "evidence" is the kind of thinking that spawns the posts like the ones you're responding to on this thread.

The performance of Froome is evidence. It's simply not possible for clean riders to perform at the levels of doped riders from just a couple of years ago. Just not possible, even if Froome was somehow the talent of a generation, which he is not. That some people can't see this, and a lot of them are British is not an anti-British point of view. It's simply a case of nationalism clouding judgement.

I am rather pro British in fact. I've been many times, and it's a wonderful place with great people. We share a common language and history. I am rather inclined to root for Brits versus other European nations, except Belgians because my family is from there. Not that Froome is British of course, but you get the general drift. I had nothing against Froome until he became preposterous. In that he is not alone, but he's certainly the most preposterous rider of the current peloton.
 
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While I completely agree with you that linking Sky to Ferrari would make it a slam dunk and limit the discussion, the idea that there is no "evidence" is the kind of thinking that spawns the posts like the ones you're responding to on this thread.

The performance of Froome is evidence. It's simply not possible for clean riders to perform at the levels of doped riders from just a couple of years ago. Just not possible, even if Froome was somehow the talent of a generation, which he is not. That some people can't see this, and a lot of them are British is not an anti-British point of view. It's simply a case of nationalism clouding judgement.

I am rather pro British in fact. I've been many times, and it's a wonderful place with great people. We share a common language and history. I am rather inclined to root for Brits versus other European nations, except Belgians because my family is from there. Not that Froome is British of course, but you get the general drift. I had nothing against Froome until he became preposterous. In that he is not alone, but he's certainly the most preposterous rider of the current peloton.

Well put. The "waiting for more evidence" approach is just another way of saying "never tested positive". Its like Armstrong all over again with the dumb excuses.
 
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Well put. The "waiting for more evidence" approach is just another way of saying "never tested positive". Its like Armstrong all over again with the dumb excuses.

It's actually "I'm uncomfortable with the thought of Sky doping" so can you not mention it so I can pretend it doesn't exist.

Evidence, my anal passage.

What's this evidence business. No one is asking for Sky to removed from the peloton. Just calling them out as Flanders points out for their preposterous performances.

Froome specifically.

He is ridiculous. Totally ridiculous.