I think he's talking about Walsh. Of course Fermi knows it was brought up in the clinic.Netserk said:
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I think he's talking about Walsh. Of course Fermi knows it was brought up in the clinic.Netserk said:
I only saw two from riders. One from Ten Dam (I think) where he said there was a headwind. Another was a (sarcastic) tweet saying that there was a tailwind.Race Radio said:I must be imaging things then. When I watch this video and look at the flags and smoke the vast majority of the time I see a tailwind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eiN2vfGKhk
Add to this reports from riders and the media of a tailwind.
It's been my experience when riding that it's very difficult to tell wind direction from flag waving unless you are right next to / underneath the flag.Race Radio said:I must be imaging things then. When I watch this video and look at the flags and smoke the vast majority of the time I see a tailwind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eiN2vfGKhk
Add to this reports from riders and the media of a tailwind.
Edit: misinterpreted what Ferminal saidFerminal said:Yes, however the link is "unverified" and in isolation would not convince many who require a higher level of confirmation. I mean Nibali has decent Ferrari links but there was no mention of it during the Giro (correct me if wrong), Knaven has fairly dark clouds around him but has that been looked at?
What reports? Links or it didn't happen. By riders I'm assuming you have more than just Greg Henderson since you used the plural.Race Radio said:I must be imaging things then. When I watch this video and look at the flags and smoke the vast majority of the time I see a tailwind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eiN2vfGKhk
Add to this reports from riders and the media of a tailwind.
Did Kimmage go after Nibali at all?Ferminal said:I mean from Walsh.
What reports? Links or it didn't happen. By riders I'm assuming you have more than just Greg Henderson since you used the plural.Race Radio said:I must be imaging things then. When I watch this video and look at the flags and smoke the vast majority of the time I see a tailwind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eiN2vfGKhk
Add to this reports from riders and the media of a tailwind.
Kimmage didn't cover the giro. Only the tour and Nibali wasnt there.JimmyFingers said:Did Kimmage go after Nibali at all?
Just asking
I have no idea. What does that have to do with my assertion that Walsh's threshold for suspicion does not appear to be consistent?JimmyFingers said:Did Kimmage go after Nibali at all?
Just asking
No need to anaylise it like the Zapruder film, It is not that hard. Lots of flags and smoke at street level, most show a tailwindDear Wiggo said:It's been my experience when riding that it's very difficult to tell wind direction from flag waving unless you are right next to / underneath the flag.
I'd be a little surprised if you can tell anything from the low res of that video.
That as a journalist he isn't unique in those regards?Ferminal said:I have no idea. What does that have to do with my assertion that Walsh's threshold for suspicion does not appear to be consistent?
So he didn't even tweet about what was a very powerful and dominant ride to victory, by someone with Ferrari links?The Hitch said:Kimmage didn't cover the giro. Only the tour and Nibali wasnt there.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/14/tour-de-france-2013-chris-froome-stage-15The Hitch said:What reports? Links or it didn't happen.
Funny how everyone dismisses Henderson if he does not agree with their theorya howling tailwind
Was that the guy drinking beer on d'Huez while riding his bike? What a prankster!Race Radio said:http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/14/tour-de-france-2013-chris-froome-stage-15
Funny how everyone dismisses Henderson if he does not agree with their theory
Am I the only one who read it as sarcasm?Race Radio said:http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/14/tour-de-france-2013-chris-froome-stage-15
I have ridden Ventoux dozens of times. The last part is usually a headwind.The Wind direction on the 14th was unusual,
Funny how everyone dismisses Henderson if he does not agree with their theory
Tailwind up the whole climb helped my watts per kilo guys so don't go getting too impressed by my time up Ventoux.
Howling tailwind from the north is a reference to the 200 or so km on the plains where they were heading directly south. That may not have necessarily held true up on Ventoux but if it did it would have been a slight headwind vector.Race Radio said:http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/14/tour-de-france-2013-chris-froome-stage-15
I have ridden Ventoux dozens of times. The last part is usually a headwind.The Wind direction on the 14th was unusual,
Funny how everyone dismisses Henderson if he does not agree with their theory
Nope, i read it that way too, considering the road twists back on itself, the wind changes direction as the road does.Netserk said:Am I the only one who read it as sarcasm?
Of course, but I'm not really interested in a discussion of the relative quality of journalists rather than the information required for an individual to become "suspicious" and whether or not an inconsistency there undermines the strength of claims made (such as the three weeks v one day statement which I am happy to discuss the merits of).JimmyFingers said:That as a journalist he isn't unique in those regards?
Ok but the chagrin being directed at Walsh is that he called out Michelle Smith and Contador on their performance, both of whom were subsequently popped, but doesn't see Froome/Sky's performance as suspicious, and that his reasoning is, as you put it I believe, 'fragile'? That he no longer judges athletes on performance alone?Ferminal said:Of course, but I'm not really interested in a discussion of the relative quality of journalists rather than the information required for an individual to become "suspicious" and whether or not an inconsistency there undermines the strength of claims made (such as the three weeks v one day statement which I am happy to discuss the merits of).
Exactly! The road on the Ventoux after Chalet Reynard goes app. (give or take a few bendsFerminal said:Howling tailwind from the north is a reference to the 200 or so km on the plains where they were heading directly south. That may not have necessarily held true up on Ventoux but if it did it would have been a slight headwind vector.
The idea that Brailsford would not know what a rider is doing seems hard to believe. The timing of training camps, the racing schedule, all those supposedly 'marginal gains' that Sky implements, makes it very difficult to think that Sky wouldn't know if a rider was doping without them knowing.Race Radio said:I am not saying Froome was a somebody, he wasn't. I am saying the size of the improvement from Riis was greater then that of Froome. Riis went from a big guy who could not climb with the leaders to a guy ripping 6.7 w/kg. Of course this vast improvement is likely due to the doping products available at the time. Nobody can hit 64% now.
When Riis suddenly got 5th, then 3rd, then 1st late in his career everyone sat up and took notice. Everyone jumped on the EPO train because they saw Riis making $$$$. I do not hear the same response from Pro riders re. Froome.....but perhaps that is because nobody knows what he is doing
If you notice the video the crosswinds are from the south. No surprise at 6,000 feetGJB123 said:Exactly! The road on the Ventoux after Chalet Reynard goes app. (give or take a few bends) north-northwest so no way that it was a tailwind up the Ventoux. The video quite clearly shows predominantly crosswinds and some headwinds.
Yes, he was taking a sarcastic poke at the flood of people who were trying to figure out if a rider was doping by his climbing times, yet ignore some of the key elements that effect those times.Netserk said:Am I the only one who read it as sarcasm?
I don't think he's a hypocrite, I just don't see his reasoning as formidable, thus it is fair for avid followers of the sport (regardless of their view) to not see his writings as doing anything to further our existing understandings and in any way affect our answer to the ultimate question. Again, if he has made a meaningful contribution to this topic I'm up for debating it.JimmyFingers said:It's a subjective call basically. Those that think Sky are doping think he is a hypocrite, those that give them the benefit of the doubt see him as being consistent. And perhaps the benefit of the doubt he affords Sky is the same reason he isn't suspicious of Nibali.