Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[thehog]

Will history repeat itself?

Will Walsh sit across from Froome in the private DawgJet and ask, "Did you dope, Chris?", looking him right in the eye?

Time will tell.

747DAWG are GO!

 

[MartinGT]

Will history repeat itself?

Will Walsh sit across from Froome in the private DawgJet and ask, "Did you dope, Chris?", looking him right in the eye?

Time will tell.

Nah, he will not ask such at all. He is too busy building his little nest egg from the Sky Fan Bois who buy into his 'awesome' articles.

 

[the sceptic]

Froome assumes the position of The Don. Will be interesting to see how he handles the (peloton / self) attitudinal shift in 2014 as he goes from underdawg to top dawg.

 

[mikeoneill]

the ioc is retesting now


how many positives wil they fish out compared to the hundreds detected by labs?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

747DAWG are GO!

Will he be "sat down in froomey's bed" and be told that there is nothing to worry about?

 

[oldcrank]

In the day of confession
We cannot mock a soul
Oh when there's too much of nothing
No one has control

 

[Zam_Olyas]

In the day of confession
We cannot mock a soul
Oh when there's too much of nothing
No one has control

too much of nothing, now you are talking.

 

[thehog]

Will he be "sat down in froomey's bed" and be told that there is nothing to worry about?

WADA are considering a ban on bed siting, eye looking vouches of cleanliness.

I look forward to when Walsh tells us why he still believes in Froome and African steak marinated in ostrich sauce.

Walsh had lost his independence.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

WADA are considering a ban on bed siting, eye looking vouches of cleanliness.

I look forward to when Walsh tells us why he still believes in Froome and African steak marinated in ostrich sauce.

Walsh had lost his independence.

Are you saying he has become money's *****?

 

[thehog]

Are you saying he has become money's *****?

Wel he derserves to make money as we all do.

I think he just got caught up on the "Walsh's world tour" and has become what he most despised about his counterparts during the lance years.

I think it's admirable that he holds the position on Sky that he does. But when you see the books, the dinners and the odd conclusions he now draws in contridiction with the past. Well you just take him with a grain of salt as see he's become a parody of himself.

But I get it. He needs to consolidate now. Bring in good money as journalism doesn't pay well long term. He's trading off the "I slayed lance" name.

I just don't take him seriously. He's a bit of a joke really as a serious journalist.

He's probably much better suited to the travel or food section of the Times.

Alas he now locked in. He can't change his position now or change course. So he'll just keep writing fluffy articles about Sky. And that's ok. He's doing what he paymasters want him to do.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I'm sure Walsh is beside himself with worry that you don't take him seriously.

 

[sniper]

I'm sure Walsh is beside himself with worry that you don't take him seriously.

we do see him fight for his image.
recall e.g. that "for those who think I'm sky's *****" tweet, and his recent admission to have lost all sense of humor wrt sky.
so yes, he does care about his public image.
but i agree he won't be too worried.
financial security is always more important than public perception.

 

[thehog]

I'm sure Walsh is beside himself with worry that you don't take him seriously.

Thats a silly response. Walsh doesn't even know who I am or even care.

Walsh will get paid lots no matter what I say.

I'm just expressing my opinion. I'm not trying to stop him from writing.

It just appears a lot of guys around this forum get upset when Walsh is pointed out as a bit if a joke. Not sure why. He is a fluffy Sky writer. Admit it. But some people like reading fluffy articles about Sky.

If he wrote fluffy articles about Contador. I'd read them as well.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

we do see him fight for his image.
recall e.g. that "for those who think I'm sky's *****" tweet, and his recent admission to have lost all sense of humor wrt sky.
so yes, he does care about his public image.
but i agree he won't be too worried.
financial security is always more important than public perception.

Would you dope or lie about clean cycling to have financial security?

edit: on a diff subject is de ridder a flemish/dutch name?

 

[sniper]

edit: on a diff subject is de ridder a flemish/dutch name?

De Ridder is very Dutch, and could also be Flemish (though i think less common there).

Would you dope or lie about clean cycling to have financial security?

dope for financial security? i think most doping starts with the purpose of financial gain, i.e. i think most doping is related to existential fears/desires.

lie about clean cycling to have finanical gain? brailsford, check. vaughters, check. many other DSs, check. Verbruggen/McQuaid, check.

i'm not sure if we've caught walsh lying yet.
but if you ask me would walsh deliberately put the blinders on to make financial gain? it looks like it.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

De Ridder is very Dutch, and could also be Flemish (though i think less common there).


dope for financial security? i think most doping starts with the purpose of financial gain, i.e. i think most doping is related to existential fears/desires.

lie about clean cycling to have finanical gain? brailsford, check. vaughters, check. many other DSs, check. Verbruggen/McQuaid, check.

i'm not sure if we've caught walsh lying yet.
but if you ask me would walsh deliberately put the blinders on to make financial gain? it looks like it.

Thanks.


I am asking would you do it?

 

[The Chicken]

Wel he derserves to make money as we all do.

I think he just got caught up on the "Walsh's world tour" and has become what he most despised about his counterparts during the lance years.

I think it's admirable that he holds the position on Sky that he does. But when you see the books, the dinners and the odd conclusions he now draws in contridiction with the past. Well you just take him with a grain of salt as see he's become a parody of himself.

But I get it. He needs to consolidate now. Bring in good money as journalism doesn't pay well long term. He's trading off the "I slayed lance" name.

I just don't take him seriously. He's a bit of a joke really as a serious journalist.

He's probably much better suited to the travel or food section of the Times.

Alas he now locked in. He can't change his position now or change course. So he'll just keep writing fluffy articles about Sky. And that's ok. He's doing what he paymasters want him to do.

Summed up perfectly & explains exactly how I feel re Walsh. Good post Hog.

 

[sniper]

Thanks.


I am asking would you do it?

hm...
unanswerable, i guess.
if i were in their position, i might. wouldn't know.
i don't judge the doper, that's for sure. (At least not beforehand).
I judge the system, and i judge the hypocricy and extensive lying generated by the system, etc.

i myself am in a branch (academics) where cheating wouldn't bring me much gain. in fact, cheating would most likely backfire.
It does happen (e.g. plagiarism is probably more common than hitherto believed), but if discovered, you are in fact ostracized, unlike in cycling!

anyway, prosport and academics is apples and oranges.

 

[RownhamHill]

Wel he derserves to make money as we all do.

I think he just got caught up on the "Walsh's world tour" and has become what he most despised about his counterparts during the lance years.

I think it's admirable that he holds the position on Sky that he does. But when you see the books, the dinners and the odd conclusions he now draws in contridiction with the past. Well you just take him with a grain of salt as see he's become a parody of himself.

But I get it. He needs to consolidate now. Bring in good money as journalism doesn't pay well long term. He's trading off the "I slayed lance" name.

I just don't take him seriously. He's a bit of a joke really as a serious journalist.

He's probably much better suited to the travel or food section of the Times.

Alas he now locked in. He can't change his position now or change course. So he'll just keep writing fluffy articles about Sky. And that's ok. He's doing what he paymasters want him to do.

Why can't he change his position or his course if he finds new information?

 

[thehog]

Why can't he change his position or his course if he finds new information?

He can change his position. Sure. But what is his position now?

"I don't know if they are doping but this is why I believe in Chris Froome and Jesus this steak taste good when paired with this wine"

Perhaps he should be interviewing Kerrison about this crazy assed accelerations and not dining with the Dawgs.

Or maybe get a interview with Leinders?

You know do the work of the investigative reporter that took down Armstrong

 

[gooner]

He can change his position. Sure. But what is his position now?

"I don't know if they are doping but this is why I believe in Chris Froome and Jesus this steak taste good when paired with this wine"

Perhaps he should be interviewing Kerrison about this crazy assed accelerations and not dining with the Dawgs.

Or maybe get a interview with Leinders?

You know do the work of the investigative reporter that took down Armstrong

That's grand and I agree with this but I wouldn't single out one journalist here. As has been said by others, I would like to see someone speak with de Jongh and Fran Millar on twitter said you would have to ask him what part he played in the hiring of Leinders. I think Walsh has already spoken to Julich but why aren't other journalists getting off their high horse and instead of just talking about their suspicion, try and ask the appropriate people who might say something of substance with regards to this.

People talk about Kimmage and Stokes but they haven't done anything investigative regarding Sky.

 

[thehog]

That's grand and I agree with this but I wouldn't single out one journalist here. As has been said by others, I would like to see someone speak with de Jongh and Fran Millar on twitter said you would have to ask him what part he played in the hiring of Leinders. I think Walsh has already spoken to Julich but why aren't other journalists getting off their high horse and instead of just talking about their suspicion, try and ask the appropriate people who might say something of substance with regards to this.

People talk about Kimmage and Stokes but they haven't done anything investigative regarding Sky.

I don't want to know why they hired Leinders. I don't care.

I want to know what the fxxx he did for 80 days. An interview with Michele Leinders would be a scoop worth getting.

Also I will single out one journalist. Because he's the guy who's apparently "imbedded" at Sky with restriction free access - "talk to who you want".

But I agree with you. I'd like him to ask some decent questions to the right people. Not about doping but about the performances. Just some insights would be good. Because I've never seen a team perform like them.... ever. If you want me to believe then tell me why.

Other than that Walsh can tell us what the dessert menu is like at the 5 star Keyian imbedded restaurant.

 

[gooner]

I don't want to know why they hired Leinders. I don't care.

I want to know what the fxxx he did for 80 days. An interview with Michele Leinders would be a scoop worth getting.

Also I will single out one journalist. Because he's the guy who's apparently "imbedded" at Sky with infetted access.

I believe he has reported on what he has seen in his time there. He has already interviewed Brailsford on Leinders. It's covered ground. De Jongh which on various occasions has been mentioned, is the man to get. Walsh couldn't get access to him as part of the embedded access as he was ditched. Remember being embedded wasn't the way Walsh got the story on Lance. So if you are going to have a go at Walsh, the same can be applied to others including Kimmage and Stokes.

Regarding investigative journalism, they did nothing in relation to Lance. I amazed people put Kimmage on a par with Walsh on his reporting to Lance. Outside of one press conference, he had little or no dealing with him. Guys like Pierre Ballester and Damien Ressiot did more of the constructive digging that should warrant more attention and acclaim.

Writing columns based on a strong suspicion is one thing, doing the investigative work is another kettle of fish.

But I agree with you. I'd like him to ask some decent questions to the right people. Not about doping but about the performances. Just some insights would be good. Because I've never seen a team perform like them.... ever. If you want me to believe to why.

Fair enough.

 

[gooner]

Just got Walsh's new book moments ago and there is a chapter in reference to the hiring of Leinders. Flicking through quickly Walsh mentions 2 different interviews Leinders did where he said his role at Sky was minimal.

The JTL situation looks to be covered significantly at the end of the book.

 

[Samson777]

Just got Walsh's new book moments ago and there is a chapter in reference to the hiring of Leinders. Flicking through quickly Walsh mentions 2 different interviews Leinders did where he said his role at Sky was minimal.

The JTL situation looks to be covered significantly at the end of the book.

It's all good then I will stop worrying now...

Thanks for sharing.